Attention to Detail

In this entry from yesterday the N&O’s Chip Alexander made reference to a situation that happened in State’s loss to Wake Forest – the Wolfpack’s 8th in a row – over the weekend.

Alexander was piggy-backing some comments that were made in “Observations” Charlotte Observer on Sunday that said the following:

When N.C. State inbounded the ball with four seconds left on the shot clock in front of the Wolfpack bench, no coach warned the team that there was so little time left. N.C. State cluelessly passed the ball around the perimeter a few times, then the buzzer sounded four seconds later

Despite a claim from “IBACKTHEPACK” on Pack Pride that this account was incorrect and that the coaches did make the players aware of the shot clock, a few other posters supported the account.

Just back from Wake, was sitting directly behind the band with my Wake Wacko friends, directly behind our goal for the 2nd half. Looked directly down into the corner with our bench.

So Wake knocked the ball out of bounds, we inbound back into with 4 seconds on the shot clock….Costner to Ferguson after the inbounds……nobody on on the court, the bench, the asst coaches, or Lowe pointed out the fact that there were only 4 seconds left to get shot off prior to the inbounds pass, and nobody pointed this out during the play. Of course, Ferguson is still dribling with the shot clock goes off, Wake gets the ball and scores…..this is totally unacceptable that from Lowe down to the assistants, the players on the bench, the trainers, the players on the court, absolutely nobody pointed this out……and of course the Wake fans were not going to point it out. if this is a sign of what’s going on with our team and has been going on with our team…something needs to change.

can give you you at least 10 witnesses, 2 state folks 8 wake folks, within 5-7 yards of the play that will verify that absolutely nobody, nobody at all, pointed out that only 4 seconds were left on the shot clock prior to the inbounds play….it was a total cluster f***

In the end…does it really matter whose account is more accurate? If the bench did make the players aware of the situation what does it say about the players blatantly ignoring and not listening to the staff.

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40 Responses to Attention to Detail

  1. Rick 03/12/2008 at 7:15 AM #

    How do they not have a sense of how much time is on the clock? It is like 3 seconds in the lane or a five second call. You have done it so much that you just know when the time is close.

    Basketball IQ. We have none.

  2. choppack1 03/12/2008 at 7:23 AM #

    We had to have known something was up – we didn’t do our throw it our PG at the other team’s foul line out of bounds play did we???

    To me, this play just crystalizes was this year has been like for wolfpack b’ball – EVERYONE is asleep at the wheel. But hey, give the players credit, at various times this year, they’ve apologized to the fans and said that they weren’t doing their job.

    I guess the staff feels pretty good about their effort. No apologies from that end.

  3. Rochester 03/12/2008 at 7:29 AM #

    They obviously knew they didn’t have enough time to throw it all the way into the back court like the normal out of bounds play. Beyond that, they were oblivious.

    I wonder at this point if the rift is so wide that Sid almost wants (subconsciously or not) them to mess up. If he’s lost these guys, which it seems in some ways he has, he can just look at them later and shake his head after yet another bonehead play. That was his response to the 4-second shot clock issue.

  4. packbackr04 03/12/2008 at 7:53 AM #

    i am really interested to see who will transfer after this season? does anyone know? ive heard costner will go Euro pro. Does anyone think we can jettison any other dead weight? and if so, SId had better have some other people lined up to come in and fill their shoes ASAP.

  5. Rochester 03/12/2008 at 8:00 AM #

    I’ve seen that Costner rumor on here too. Where did that come from, or is it just speculation based on the fact that he doesn’t seem to be enjoying himself much?

  6. Noah 03/12/2008 at 8:17 AM #

    It’s been my experience that when the shotclock is under 10 seconds and there’s a dead ball situation, at least one coach (assistant or head) is getting EVERYONE’s attention and reminding them of how much time is left.

    I remember seeing V doing that. I remember seeing Les Robinson do that. I remember seeing Sendek do that. In fact, I think that was usually Sean Miller’s job.

    I don’t know whether Lowe did or did not know how much time was left, but when the buzzer went off, the TV folks switched to a shot of him and he had a look that I interpreted as complete surprise. If I had to come up with a caption for it, it would have been, “Wha happened??”

  7. thebigwood 03/12/2008 at 8:31 AM #

    Noah, I saw that too. But I interpreted it as Lowe looking that way at Costner…like, ‘what were you thinking?!’ I thought he was bitching at Costner too.

  8. Ismael 03/12/2008 at 8:34 AM #

    Noah i saw that too, he was looking at Costner though and his look was more: “what the hell’s wrong with you?”

  9. kyjelly 03/12/2008 at 8:38 AM #

    Detail? Sid had a whole week to prepare for wake………nice result looked like the same s__t to me,different day

  10. Rochester 03/12/2008 at 8:43 AM #

    ^Wake surprised him by suiting up their freshmen on senior day. If only Jeff Teague and James Johnson hadn’t played.

  11. choppack1 03/12/2008 at 8:47 AM #

    Good point on a week to prepare. Did we offer anything new? Did we do anything better?

    If you recall in football, the week we had off resulted in us going from 1-5 to actually evening up our record (until Evans totally lost confidence.)

  12. Noah 03/12/2008 at 8:50 AM #

    He may have been looking at Costner, but it’s pretty obvious that neither Costner nor Ferguson knew where the clock was. And…that sorta makes you wonder WHY they didn’t know.

  13. packbackr04 03/12/2008 at 8:58 AM #

    we did have new plays after the week off. my personal favorite was the one where Costner stands completely out of bounds for pretty much the entire offensive set. that was sweet, i wonder how long it took Sid to draw that one up

  14. Ed89 03/12/2008 at 9:00 AM #

    Ultimately, whether the kids knew or not, they did not execute, and execution is ultimately the coach’s responsibility. A coach is not judged on how well he coachs in practice or how much he tells them in practice, he or she is judged on the team’s performance on the court on gameday. Therefore, whatever happened, Coach should take the hit on this one. Again, hopefully, he’ll learn from it.

  15. BJD95 03/12/2008 at 9:01 AM #

    I think the concept we are looking for is “microcosm.” That play was a microcosm of the intelligence level, preparation, and effort of the players and staff all season.

    This is not the worst NC State team I’ve ever seen (Les cornered the market there), but it is by far the stupidest and most annoying.

  16. ktoh 03/12/2008 at 9:08 AM #

    Great point KY about the week off……..One would think riding a losing streak and sinking.One would use this time to prepare for your next game. But since Sid does not think he is at fault nor does he believe he is accountable why would he change things?
    Nothing changed!

  17. Noah 03/12/2008 at 9:13 AM #

    “we did have new plays after the week off. my personal favorite was the one where Costner stands completely out of bounds for pretty much the entire offensive set. ”

    I’ve complained about that before. Lowe will go into his “two-man game” and suddenly, the defense only needs to actually defend the guy in the paint and the guy with the ball. You can sag back because NO ONE else is paying attention.

    It’s absolutely idiotic to implement such a system in college ball.

  18. packbackr04 03/12/2008 at 9:34 AM #

    i also like the fact that javi continues to go behind screens at the top of the key to leave open dangerous 3 pt shooters. this is completely inexcusible at this point in the season. why arent his coaches all in his grill after he continuously does this? something is amiss in wolfpack nation and it better get turned around quick. Sid needs to fix this… now.

  19. McPete 03/12/2008 at 9:41 AM #

    even within a game, some guys seem to go under some screens, fergie usually trys to fight through, and some guys like costner will switch off. i’m not sophisticated enough to get why this is, but it’s not consistent any way.

  20. Stoner 03/12/2008 at 9:42 AM #

    How much different was Costner’s reaction to getting the ball than Thurl Bailey, who had an open 18 foot jump shot, after taking a pass from Lowe, with time winding down, in the 1983 championship game, to suddenly pass it to Whittenburg, who was 30 feet from the basket? Luckily Whittenburg had the presence of mind to hoist up a shot and Charles was there to put it back, when it went short.

    Just saying even good players, like Bailey, make strange decisions. Sometimes you can recover from them and sometimes you can’t.

    I know we’ve had a our disproportionate share of boneheaded plays this season and Costner has struggled, but I don’t know if you can single out one play as a microcism of our futility because even good teams and good players have their bloopers. Our problems are deeper.

  21. McPete 03/12/2008 at 9:44 AM #

    i for one would like to see costner back next year. hopefully better, but does anyone want horner to get his minutes at the 4 next season. it could be worse, especially if jj is gone.

  22. highonlowe 03/12/2008 at 10:21 AM #

    CHARLOTTE area SFN readers:
    Free NC State practice sessions today at noon at Bobcats Arena,

  23. RAWFS 03/12/2008 at 10:59 AM #

    “Ultimately, whether the kids knew or not, they did not execute, and execution is ultimately the coach’s responsibility.”

    With all due respect, players play and coaches coach.

    You can tell a person how to do something a million times, but ultimately, their actually doing it (their execution) is up to them.

  24. choppack1 03/12/2008 at 11:20 AM #

    That’s true RAWFS – but the good managers are the ones that have their “reports” execute. The mediocre and the bad ones may be brilliant, but often have trouble getting their folks to execute.

    It could be that the current staff isn’t teaching the little things. For example, they may be teaching the right thing on handling the screen, but may not be handling well what happens further down the road. (I’m thinking of offensive rebounding – we get lost on dribble penetration, big man picks up penetrator, penetrator misses shot, big man follows up. Root cause of rebound: Help defense didn’t properly box out.)

    And here’s where I think Sid runs into problems. He comes from a professional pov where probably going over things once or twice is enough – and the superior athleticism and b’ball IQs don’t make the teaching as important.

    Sid may be teaching them, just not well and frequently enough.

  25. blackdom 03/12/2008 at 11:59 AM #

    choppack1 ok lets say this is from his so called pro background,with that fine .257 winning %…….I will be like you and give him that ok.
    Than is he that dumb(which I don’t think he is dumb) that things have not registered as of yet……….you have gone 9-23 in your conference and have lost 8 gms in a row. If you have a team that stinks you can still tell if they are prepared and being taught,yes they lose but they lose because of talent.We do have a bit of talent we lose because of fundementals,lack of Defense,Boxing out,effort and attitude… I am afraid all of these problems did not just pop up in the last week or two either……
    kudos to KY it is true we had a whole week to work on a plan or change a plan against wake………….Imagine what Sid will be able to do with another off-season under his belt do I here 3-13?

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