Wake Enters NCAA Tournament Discussion; State Mired in Point Guard Mess of Our Making

We set the stage in this entry last week that unless someone started claiming some scalps that the ACC would only have four participants in this year’s NCAA Tournament.

Wake Forest’s big win yesterday over the Duke Blue Devils is exactly the kind of statement and scalp that the Demon Deacons needed to propel themselves into the conversation. If the tournament started today the Demon Deacons would probably still be on the outside looking in…but the Deacs are a lot closer than they were before Sunday’s game.

As if NC State fans needed any further salt in our wounds, the play of Wake’s freshman point guard, Jeff Teague, continues to dazzle the league and underscore the importance of having a stud at the key position.

The play of Teague also underscores the price that NC State is paying for very poor talent evaluation at the position. The Wolfpack’s coaching staff obviously ‘out thought’ themselves over the last couple of years as they amassed three commitments for the position – Farnold Degand, Marques Johnson, Javier Gonzalez – while choosing to pass on names like Jai Lucas (Florida) and Chris Warren (Ole Miss).

Warren has been so spectacular that he has a whole list of articles in USA Today that are ‘tagged’ with his name. Last week Warren earned his third SEC Freshman of the Week honors

The Orlando, Fla., native poured in a career-high 26 points at Arkansas on Saturday, his fourth 20-point performance in league play. He single-handedly kept Ole Miss in the game, scoring 18 points in the second half, including 11 straight for the Rebels in the stretch run to cut a 12-point Razorback lead with just under three minutes remaining to a three-point edge with 51 seconds left in the game. The lightning-quick rookie drained six three-pointers (6-of-8), dished out five assists and made three steals in the game.

Warren ranks sixth in the SEC with 18.4 points per game in league play and ninth with a 16.4 average in all games. He also ranks third in assists and three-pointers in all games.

The 5-foot-10, 170-pound guard already seventh in school history with 64 three-pointers made this season, while his 345 points scored are sixth-most by a freshman in the Rebel program’s history.

Additionally, Lucas’ consistency at Florida led the Jacksonville newspaper to feature him last week.

The 5-foot-11 Lucas is averaging 2.4 assists per game, but in SEC play, that number jumps to 2.8 per game, and his 16 turnovers in 10 league games are the fewest among UF’s starters.

That’s proof of Lucas’ good decision-making, according to Donovan.

“He really tries not to turn it over, and generally the biggest problem when you have young guards that are freshmen like that [is] there’s going to be a lot of turnovers,” Donovan said. “So far, they’ve done a pretty good job of taking care of the basketball and understanding that, ‘You know what? If I don’t make the right play or I miss the right play, I’m better off holding onto the ball than I am throwing to somebody and getting it turned over.”

As BJD stated in this significantly important piece last week – Coach Lowe’s job may very well rest on the recruiting class that signs with NC State this coming November with no recruit more important that Raleigh’s very own John Wall at the point guard position.

But, allow me to add a little more to that while noting the obvious – if State lands wall and Trevor Ferguson does not graduate out (forget his ‘playing status’), then the Wolfpack will literally have SIX of THIRTEEN scholarships tied up in players who can play point guard if needed – Wall, Degand, Johnson, Ferguson, Gonzalez and Julius Mays. That is absurd. So, in addition to what State needs to sign in November, the program also desperately needs to do some ‘restructuring’ of scholarships allocation and spacing.

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171 Responses to Wake Enters NCAA Tournament Discussion; State Mired in Point Guard Mess of Our Making

  1. nycfan 02/19/2008 at 11:50 AM #

    BTW, I’m a bit surprised by the negative expectations for the UNC game tomorrow night. Like a lot of UNC fans, I am extremely worried about the game. I think the team has finally started learning to play without Lawson, but I also think that he was a big part of UNC’s advantage over State.

    I’ve always considered this a “toss out the records” game anyway, and with Carolina struggling to keep their heads above water and State wanting to overcome the earlier result and scrap to get back on the NCAA bubble, I expect a nerve-wracking game. I think Fells will be key, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see any or even all of the big three mystery men (Costner, McCauley or Fells) play out of their minds for this one game …

  2. choppack1 02/19/2008 at 11:58 AM #

    nycfan – You see,I don’t want to hear TarHeel fans call this a “nerve-racking” game. Even if we beat you guys, it’s not like you guys will miss the NCAA tournament. So big deal, you may fall from 1 to a 2 see or a 2 to a 3. Bottom line, in the grand scheme of things, this game isn’t that important to you guys. To us, it’s one of the last chances we have to salvage our season.

    Now, when you guys go to the NCAAs or in the ACC tourney, you’ll have some nerve wracking games. But until you’ve lived life on the bubble, you can’t really appreciate it. Let’s not pretend this is like the football game.

  3. primacyone 02/19/2008 at 1:47 PM #

    I am one who believe’s Sidney gets it. Below are his quotes from todays press conference. They pretty much sum up the situation exactly. All of this other stuff above is just jibber, jabber. And for the recruits you are talking about that we did not offer, frankly they could not get past the admissions department. Please. As far as the other point guards go, he thought he had Chris Wright in the bag. After that fiasco, there was no one left on the board.

    Sidney’s quotes:
    “Thoughts on Atsur at point guard in last year’s game compared to this year:
    Last year we had six guys basically play multiple minutes and obviously having Engin was a major factor. He controlled things and he made plays. He made plays for himself and he made plays for other guys.

    This year we have a young point guard and so he’s not capable yet of making those plays on a consistent basis for other guys so these guys have to make their own plays.

    Thoughts on moving Courtney Fells some to point guard:
    Well because it takes Courtney away from his natural position. Here’s a guy who actually has had a pretty good year in ACC play, and now if I take him from his natural position and put him on the ball, he’ll be trying to set other guys up instead of us getting him the ball.

    I don’t think Javy Gonzalez is the issue. I know he’s not the issue. Javy is not the problem. We need to have more guys rebounding and helping J.J. We need to have more guys scoring and helping J.J. inside. That’s what we need.

    Javy is not the issue as far as the five that finishes the game or the best five. He’s one position. We have other guys who have been here for a while and come back and more experienced. They need to step up and play.

    More thoughts on losing Farnold Degand:
    I knew it was going to be a problem. Farnold had a little experience and he was playing with an attitude of knowing that he could get it done. His game or his strength is something you can’t teach… that’s always an equalizer, and that’s speed and quickness.

    We had the ability to really go and break people down… just like I’m talking about now, making plays, he could just take it and go by someone. I knew it was going to be a difficult thing for us, but I felt in time Javy was going to grow and get better, and I think he has. I think he’s done a nice job for us.”

  4. Noah 02/19/2008 at 1:47 PM #

    McMillan’s getting about 15 minutes a game, averaging 2.5 points and 2.5 assists per.

    Career high is 11 points, career high in assists, five (several times).

  5. Noah 02/19/2008 at 1:55 PM #

    BTW, I see on ESPN that Chris Wright hasn’t played since December. Was he suspended?

  6. packbackr04 02/19/2008 at 1:58 PM #

    thanks Noah. whats his assist/TO ratio

  7. choppack1 02/19/2008 at 2:04 PM #

    “Georgetown freshman point guard Chris Wright is likely out for the season with a foot injury.”

    Looks like he really was supposed to come here. Fate got him anyway.

  8. ShootingGuard 02/19/2008 at 2:12 PM #

    “McMillan’s getting about 15 minutes a game, averaging 2.5 points and 2.5 assists per.

    Career high is 11 points, career high in assists, five (several times).”

    Yeah, and if you had had any direct contact with ANYONE remotely involved in Jamelle’s recruitment you would know that a joint decision between all parties was made to spare Jamelle being subjected to that idiot section of the fanbase that apparently resides in your living room, as you reference above, because the coach and the father, a friend of the coach by the way, knew that the program was teetering on shambles and that the son would never live up to the father’s legend.

    Based on the fact that you and your living room playmates do nothing but trash Sid and want him fired TODAY, as you reference above, the father and the coach made a wise decision not to place a teenager in a living room full of idiots. Instead, Jamelle can just develop at his own pace far, far away.

    Sid may or may not work out as a coach, but he has certainly proven to be a pretty decent person compared to the folks in your living room.

  9. Noah 02/19/2008 at 3:04 PM #

    “thanks Noah. whats his assist/TO ratio”

    Nothing worth mentioning…

  10. nycfan 02/19/2008 at 3:48 PM #

    FTR, I consider the game nerve-wracking b/c every loss hurts but also b/c UNC is hanging on by its fingernails for a shot at a berth in the Charlotte regional. That potential crowd support could be critical to post-season success. So, we’ll just have to disagree on what constitutes nerve-wracking, I guess.

    ’92, ’95, ’98, ’07 — aack.

  11. choppack1 02/19/2008 at 4:41 PM #

    nycfan – That’s supposed to make me feel like guys are “nerve rackin.” You’d have to walk a few miles in my mocassins to understand my pain as a wolfpack fan.

    You’re complaining that your Ruth Chris’ steak is a tad overcooked. I’m saying that my McDonald’s Happy Meal is missing it’s cheeseburger. Yea, you both got problems, but the guy w/ the Happy Meal would trade for yours in a heart beat. 🙂

    What you rather being doing – worrying about an NCAA regional tournament location or worried that your program had just set itself back 6 years where you were lucky to make the NIT.

  12. cowdog 02/19/2008 at 6:35 PM #

    Know what peeps? I think Degand would have fit into this club quite well on retrospect. Could have been the most devestating curveball thrown to us this year. Consider his play against Nova and Seton Hall.
    no question they put all eggs in one basket…but consider what Lowe and any other cognisant member of staff was planning, or hoping. TOWE EXCLUDED…period. Man, I could list a diatribe on one hell of a shooting point guard and shooter to boot…but, MT is no more of a coach than I am , and I can coach…sort of…well…my dad could.

  13. 44legend 02/19/2008 at 7:38 PM #

    choppack,

    Even if Lowe ultimately doesn’t work out, I don’t think the program will be so void of talent that we wouldn’t be back in contention in a year or two without the right hire.

    If we could get a “name” guy…even a Sean Miller or other riser, you could see similar results as Pearl has done at Tennessee. It doesn’t “have” to take over 5 years to get back into the NCAA’s.

    I haven’t given up on Lowe yet anyway. He’s got 4 years in my book barring unthinkable problems. I’m still holding out hope that our 2008 recruits were under rated similar to Clemson’s, Wake’s, and some of Maryland’s.

    We’re not as far off the beaten path as some act like.

  14. redfred2 02/19/2008 at 8:11 PM #

    I cannot blame all of this on Sidney Lowe, and, I cannot blame it all on the players either. When I see players, who play really hard, and are looking direction from the bench and not getting any help, only then will I lay it solely in the coach’s lap. Conversely, when I see a coach extorting and pushing his players to achieve more and more, and no one responding to his efforts, then I’ll lay it mainly on the players.

    I have yet to see either of those scenarios take hold.

    Lowe is new and he definitely needs to reach deeper and improve, but the players certainly aren’t helping their ownselves or taking on any extra responsibility. By now they are all supposed to be in it together, a “family”, a “team”, or whatever you wish to call it. But they aren’t playing like one, and you may argue over the percentages, but both parties are at fault here.

  15. 44legend 02/19/2008 at 8:31 PM #

    I thought they looked more like a “team” against Clemson but couldn’t buy a bucket in the first half….

    Second half we were done in by 3 straight near miracle shots. If we could have played better in the first…maybe could have won that one.

    I think we have a chance vs. holes because Clemson should have taken one of those games against them, and we really played Clemson tough in the 2nd half.

    If we can beat the holes, there is still hope for 8-8. If we suffer a beatdown, I’m going to resist visiting these sites for a while.

  16. werncstate 02/19/2008 at 8:47 PM #

    Off topic but potentially some good news! Wake Tech has decided to initiate an athletics department and they are currently looking for an athletic director. Sounds like the perfect kind of job for Lee Fowler. No doubt Wake Tech has him on their short list of candidates.

    I can’t wait for the UNC thread to start so here goes. I can only invision one way that State can win this game. Start Simon Harris and have him guard Hansbro with explicit instructions to continuously step on Traveler’s toes with hopes that Traveler will get pissed off and throw a punch that actually connects this time resulting in his ejection from the game.

    That would be my game plan. I hope mine is not better than Sid’s.

  17. thebigwood 02/19/2008 at 9:56 PM #

    This article is actually kind of funny, its about some tension between K and Williams. But at the end it lists Carolina’s injuries, I suppose thats good for us.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3253829

    “The injuries have piled up quickly for the Tar Heels (24-2, 9-2 Atlantic Coast Conference). Point guard Ty Lawson is expected to miss his fifth straight game Wednesday due to a sprained left ankle, while Deon Thompson played just 9 minutes in Saturday’s win against Virginia Tech due to a hyperextended left knee and could be limited again. Backup point guard Quentin Thomas (flu-like symptoms), forward Danny Green (flu) and swingman Marcus Ginyard (sprained right ankle, injured left big toe) are also playing through ailments.

    The Tar Heels also lost reserve guard Bobby Frasor to a season-ending knee injury in December.”

  18. redfred2 02/19/2008 at 10:35 PM #

    “In addition, given what’s happened on the court this year and the possible outlook for next year, I’m worried that JJ isn’t enjoying his college experience enough to stay for another year.”

    Chop, We’ve certainly seen that before, and I’ve stated almost your exact same words to some friends recently. This needs to be fun, and it also needs to be fulfilling enough to make a player want to come back for more. I don’t think that is case and that is what really worries me.

    Also, did anyone listen the radio show Monday night? Lowe was asked a direct question and spoke a moment about JJ’s intentions. His answer was…well…possibly more readily acceptant of the NBA’s interest in JJ than I would have preferred. I guess there is a balancing act for coaches nowadays like never before. It’s the good of the university on one hand, and the monetary future of a teenager on the other. I guess a coach probably just can’t come right out and say that he thinks his player might be wise to wait and forego the NBA for at least one more season, whether that’s what he believes or not. A public statement to that effect could possibly be construed as negating the kid’s ability to sign for the kind of money that he may think he’s worth.

    I am also beginning to believe that maybe Sidney is forgetting that he is dealing with plain ol’ kids now, and not grow men, like he was accustomed to in the NBA. These kids still need to learn, and must be taught the very basics of the game if, and every time, it is necessary to do so.

  19. wolfpacker420 02/20/2008 at 12:11 AM #

    Lay off Sid, I think he will get things turned around in the next couple of years. It takes a special PG to run this offense and one will be here sooner or later but it will happen, and watch the difference! The ACC has always been a PG league and when State contends it’s when we have a capable PG. I have full confidence in Lowe’s years to come and I think we have to wait to see when he has only the players he recruited on the team! We may have a long shot against UNX you never know in the ACC! Look at Wake! Let’s go Pack!!

  20. CanisLupus 02/20/2008 at 8:26 AM #

    I don’t think it’s time for a new coach. He’s in his second season and we need to give him a chance. He took on a very difficult situation; one that a long list of coaches were not willing to pursue. Albeit, some of the coaches had very good teams (and/or financial boost) that they would be stupid to walk away from but I would venture to say that a lot of them looked at this situation as a NOT GOING TO BE FIXED OVER NIGHT deal. They also know that the current tempo of society today is that everyone wants instant gratification or a magic bullet-like us.

    We need to be patient. Dook or UNX would have no trouble hiring a new coach should either coach K or Williams leave but then again, neither would we if Valvano had left in better graces. Give this thing a chance.

  21. choppack1 02/20/2008 at 9:05 AM #

    CanisLupus – I sure wish UNC was patient after D’oh’s 3rd year and decided to ride it out w/ him.

    Conversely, aren’t you glad we were so patient w/ Les Robinson and MOC? We should have given Amato at least 2 more years, after all, he took us to so many bowl games.

    I do agree that sometimes teams are too impatient for their own good. Tennessee fired Jerry Green after he’d taken them to 4 straight tournaments and replaced him w/ Buzz Peterson – who proceeded to miss 4 tournaments in a row. Luckily for Vols fans, they replaced him w/ Bruce Pearl who is in the process of creating a transformation of a basketball program that’s nothing short of miraculous. NC State fired Coach V for behavior that could have been easily corrected.

    All I’m saying is that after 3 years (not after this year mind you) – if we haven’t made the tourney w/ Coach Lowe – it’s time for a change – especially if we don’t have a committment from Wall.

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