Breaking Down the 2008 Football Schedule

Sorry I didn’t have time to blog on this sooner, but the 2008 NC State football schedule is a very interesting one. Let’s take it game by game, and think of how the season might play out:

Aug. 28 at South Carolina (ESPN – Thurs.)

I love being in the national spotlight early. It will be easy for Coach O’Brien to get his players fired up. I particularly like playing a “nothing to lose” game – the players should be looser, and a win would have the nation talking about Tom O’Brien and NC State. Yes, I know that South Carolina had a disappointing year last year, but they are still a Spurrier-coached SEC team playing at home – they will be expected to win easily.

Plus, I have lots of great memories about this series. It is not a “friendly” or “polite” rivalry, but not a violent and unpleasant one either (see Carolina, East). I was in the end zone grass hill (in a sea of Gamecock fans) when Kramer’s Hail Mary on an untimed down silenced the redneck horde. Definitely an awesome childhood memory, screaming and pointing at the blank stares and gaping mouths around me (after about 60 seconds of silence, I did hear someone complain “That’s bullllllshiiiiiiit!” Fun times. The first game my wife attended with me was the “Pre-Floyd Tropical Storm” game, in Holtz’ 1st or 2nd year. She knew I was crazy when I didn’t so much as consider leaving early, but she married me anyway. Tip – in warm weather monsoons, wear swimming trunks and flip-flops. You stay much more comfortable.

Williams/Brice is a very hostile visiting environment, and what a baptism of fire it could be for Russell Wilson or Mike Glennon. I am very curious to see how they would respond.

I’m glad Spurrier wants to play us, and even if we can’t go back to an annual series, there should be at least one home-and-home per decade.

I have a nagging feeling that we get a win here, although I will predict that USC wins a close one.

Sept. 6 William & Mary

This is a nice warmup before ACC action starts. We can build on the effpot against South Carolina, or regain some confidence. Either way, it will be nice knowing we won’t be 0-2 heading into Death Valley.

Sept. 13 at Clemson

Did somebody say “nothing to lose”? This game certainly fits the bill. Most in the media have or will pick the Tiggers to win the Atlantic Division. 80,000 plus will be on hand, wearing that God-awful orange color. The matchup sucks, thanks to Clemson’s abundant speed and tough running game. Still, I believe Clemson is breaking in a new QB. New QBs sometimes make mistakes before they settle in. Bowden’s teams usually drop a handful of games early, including at least one that they shouldn’t. Maybe they also get a big early win against Alabama, and overlook the Pack after last year’s beatdown in Raleigh.

Still, even I can’t be crazy enough to predict a win here.

Sept. 20 East Carolina

We beat these assholes in their “Super Bowl” last year, and it turns my stomach to be playing them 3 years in a row, even more so to consider a loss. Repeat after me, “Coach” Fowler – South Carolina rivalry = good, East Carolina rivalry = likely “Cops” episode. Have to feel good about being no worse than 2-2 after this game.

Sept. 27 South Florida

Please check me on this, but I believe USF loses a ton of key players from last year’s inconsistent (but dangerous) squad. Getting blown out in last year’s Sun Bowl by an injury-depleted Oregon squad that limped across the Pac-10 finish line can’t help their psyche, either. This is likely to be a low-scoring game, in which our kicking game (major question mark heading into spring practice) could determine the outcome. We should have our depth chart and various roles figured out by this game, so the timing is pretty good.

I am pegging this game as the pivotal one of the season – I think it will be the turning point, one way or the other. I don’t see how we miss a bowl game if we beat USF.

Oct. 4 Boston College

Feel the seething hatred! Matt Ryan made 2 unbelievable plays to shift the Eagles’ record from 4-4 to 6-2. But in the re-match of one such game, the Hokies reined supreme and won the ACC title, kicking BC as far down in the bowl pecking order as the ACC rules allowed. Then they barely beat Big Ten also-ran Michigan State (in the only bowl game where I cheered against the ACC team). We’ll see how much fun “Jags” provides the handful of Eagle faithful without a cupboard full of returning Tom O’Brien senior leaders. First to worst in the Atlantic is not out of the question, and I’ll love every minute of it.

That said, we will be playing our 6th game on October 4, without any bye weeks (and only one cupcake) to rest any nagging injuries. Depth will still be an issue for the 2008 Wolfpack. Still, no way do I bet against Tom O’Brien here. After this week, we could be 3-3, or as high as 5-1. The schedule does lay out nicely if we are able to play to our maximum potential early, and get better QB and OL play. The “toss-up” or “slight favorite” games are all at home up to this point.

Oct. 16 Florida State (ESPN – Thurs.)

The Pack gets 11 days to prepare for the Seminoles, in a home Thursday night matchup. Carter-Finley will be raucous and highly inebriated, especially if the Pack comes in at 4-2 or 5-1. Can emotion and prep time overcome FSU’s sizeable speed and athleticism advantage? Probably not. But it sure would be nice to give Amato yet another loss in front of the home crowd. His last game in Raleigh was a loss, and I want it to stay that way, damn it.

Oct. 25 at Maryland

State gets a few extra days prior to the trip to College Park. Historically, this is the kind of game that NC State never, ever wins. I will go out on a limb and predict that we will win this game if we lose to FSU, and lose if we are coming off a win. I would be very satisfied to exit this contest at 2-2 in the ACC.

Nov. 8 at Duke

If there’s one opponent (other than Bill and Mary) that doesn’t require an extra week of prep time, it’s Duke. But it does allow sufficient time to craft an A+ game plan, to make sure Cutcliffe’s charges don’t pull off an emotional upset. The stands will be 75% red, and I have to think that pulls us through even on an off-day. Like the USC series, I have lots of good memeories of high octane State/Duke games from the 1980s.

Nov. 15 Wake Forest

Very, very glad to have this game at home, and late in the season. I would very much rather have the bye week before this one, though. Riley Skinner will test the Pack defense, but the Pack should be playing with more confidence by mid-November. I expect both teams will be playing for bowl position, and NC State could be a spolier for Wake’s title hopes (Wake gets Clemson at home). This is a classic trap game – for the Deacons. But Wake likely prevails anyway.

Nov. 22 at North Carolina

Love playing the hated Tarheels late. It’s another chance for a “home away from home” game, as UNC folks will already be in full hoops mode. This is another key game for NC State to stay in bowl contention, and to get above .500 in conference play heading into the home finale. A win might also have the added benefit of knocking UNC out of the bowl picture. Again, I can’t predict O’Brien to lose to Butch. Just can’t. May his run be Sheridan-like.

Nov. 29 Miami

Again, I think this game is placed favorably on the schedule. If one is going to play the Saturday after Thanksgiving, it’s best to do so at home against an opponent that has to travel a long distance. We don’t have to worry about any visiting fans making the trip, either. I expect this game to mean far more for Wolfpack players than Miami’s, but the speed and athleticism might be too much. Like the South Carolina game, this is one that I have a feeling about, but the brain says no.

Predicted Record: 7-5 (4-4)

This result would make me very happy, and all of you should feel likewise. And this prediction is 100% contingent upon the starting QB not being Daniel Evans.

Oppotunity Games: at South Carolina, vs. Florida State, vs. Wake Forest

A win from this list would be a sign of a possible breakout season. Two wins would be a near-certain indicator.

Firewall Games: vs. East Carolina, vs. Boston College

Lose one of these, and it could be a long season. Lose both, and it looks like a history-making terrible season.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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81 Responses to Breaking Down the 2008 Football Schedule

  1. 66pack 02/19/2008 at 7:56 AM #

    anyone know about 2009 unc recruits in n&o article

  2. Greywolf 02/19/2008 at 8:07 AM #

    66pack
    Feb 19th, 2008 at 7:56 am
    ‘anyone know about 2009 unc recruits in n&o article’

    N&O article? I thought it was a press release when I saw it.

  3. Mike 02/19/2008 at 8:41 AM #

    The Noise and Disturber article/press release was enough to make me toss my breakfast. UNX got their butts kicked on in-state recruits this year so immediately the N&D has to present a counter punch. Can’t let the boys in Raleigh (hometown of the N&D) get any advantage over Wal Mart and BD. Spin spin spin.

  4. Mr O 02/19/2008 at 8:52 AM #

    Probably looking at 4-6 wins. Until we see a solid QB playing in red and white at CF, then it is difficult to see us having a winning season.

  5. boonami 02/19/2008 at 8:55 AM #

    What I like about our schedule is it’s an upgrade from the Amato years. We don’t start off playing some D1-A or D2 school like Arkansas Pine Bluff or somebody like that. I’m getting excited about next season after this crappy year in bball.

  6. LRM 02/19/2008 at 9:02 AM #

    BJD,
    That 1999 game during Tropical Storm Dennis was quite memorable. It was an epic tailgating day for a night game — we actually opened the gates ourselves about 7am to get the pig started and the rain held off until the evening. I was a junior in the student section. I remember this roar went up in the stadium as a wall of water started at the old field house and worked its way towards the old grass bank. Holt blocked a punt in the end zone for the only TD of the game as I recall.

  7. tvp1 02/19/2008 at 9:08 AM #

    ” Noah
    Feb 18th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
    As far as the season goes, I think if we can stay healthy and get a good year out of whoever our QB is, 6-6 is definitely possible.”

    Holy Shit.

    If Noah thinks 6-6 is possible, we are going no worse than 9-3 🙂

    Seriously, I predict 5-7 if Evans is the QB for a significant part of the year, 5-7 to 7-5 if someone else is the QB, depending on how quickly they get up to speed.

  8. jaybird80 02/19/2008 at 9:16 AM #

    The thing that I like about this year’s schedule, is that after October 25th, we do not really have to travel that much. With “away” games at UNC-CH and Duke and an open date thrown in, it should give all of the players a chance to get healed up from any earlier nicks and bruises.

  9. Noah 02/19/2008 at 9:16 AM #

    “Wasn’t that Kramer desparation throw to Danny Peebles, a local, in the west corner of the end zone in the North end?”

    I’m reasonably certain it was the endzone opposite from the old fieldhouse. Where the “bank” used to be. That’s the south end, isn’t it?

    Kramer was hobbled before that play. You know, we were up 17-0 at halftime in that game. We had it completely in hand. I loved Dick Sheridan, but a good-sized halftime lead was almost poisonous for his teams.

    We took the air out of the ball and let South Carolina right back into the game. Kramer turned his ankle in the second half and was limping pretty badly by that last drive.

    We managed to get to past midfield, but we were out of time-outs. Kramer was trying to get everyone situated, but couldn’t get the snap off and the clock expired. The South Carolina defensive line was set and had their heads down. They were watching Kramer and the ball and not our receivers trying to get set.

    The guy who jumped offsides was facing the scoreboard on the fieldhouse, so he can watch the clock ticking down. Assuming that we were set (because Kramer was calling out the cadence and the play), the guy just sprinted forward on 00:01 and slammed into Kramer.

    Wally Ausley was watching the clock and called it out, “3…2…1…they aren’t going to get it off, and that’s it. South Carolina wins it.” Then one of the spotters apparently pointed out there was a flag on the field. He never saw the guy hit Kramer so he was surprised to hear that South Carolina was offsides.

    So…we get one untimed play. Kramer rolled to his right and chucked it. Right after he let it go, he got nailed and an already-gimpy ankle took another shot.

    Danny Peebles grabbed all eleven South Carolina defenders and went all Tonya Harding on their knees with a bat. And then he ran over to the equipment shed and grabbed one of those long 12-foot ladders AND a trampoline. Then all of his teammates grabbed him and threw him AND the trampoline AND the ladder….no wait! There was a cannon! And they shot him out of the cannon! and somehow, Peebles managed to catch the ball and still get both feet down in the endzone.

    Great play.

    Kramer had to be helped off the field. I remember WRAL had a shot of him with his head down, teeth gritted, and two guys carrying him to the locker room.

    The next week, all we had to do was beat a crappy UVa team (3-8, I think) in Charlottesville and a crappy Dook team and we’d win the ACC title by a half-game over Clemson (who tied Maryland). We would have been 6-1 in the conference (with a loss to Guh Teck) and Clemson would have been 5-1-1.

    Kramer couldn’t go and Cam Young got his one-and-only start. An already conservative offense never got out of the blocks. We lost 20-16. Our only touchdown came on a long Derrick Taylor interception return right before the half.

    Our last league title came in 1979. Carolina won it in 1980. Everyone in the league has won a title (excluding the most recent conference additions, of course) since then.

    Ugh.

  10. lush 02/19/2008 at 9:31 AM #

    my favorite memory from the 99 game: learning what SC fans are all about. 4th quarter, im sitting on the hill with my little sister, sc fan about 10 ft in front of us stands up, unzips, and just starts peeing down the bank right in front of everybody. priceless, im glad i was uphill

  11. BJD95 02/19/2008 at 9:42 AM #

    Pretty sure UVA was 2-7 going into the game with us. I think Young threw 3 or 4 picks, can hardly blame Sheridan for going conservative there. State/UVA was the Raycom game, and I watched every cringeworthy minute. Clemson/Maryland in College Park was the CBS national game and ACC finale. We needed the Terps to win in order to claim the ACC crown. Clemson got a short FG on the last drive of the game to come away with a tie to clinch the title (9-9, I think).

    Kramer was one tough SOB, too. You know his ankle had to be shredded for him not to play. The year before, he played the 4th quarter against the Gamecocks with a hernia (maybe coming off surgery?) after missing the first 3 quarters. He threw 2 TDs and we got a late goal line stand to win.

    The Peebles catch was definitely towards the grass bank, away from Finley Fieldhouse. I was smack in the middle of the bank, about 3/4 of the way down. My cousins and I were almost the only State fans on the bank (some kind of ticket snafu, Gamecock fans bought most of those tickets. I was 13 and too stupid to know I was taking my life in my hands by taunting the stunned redneck horde.

    Other than 1983, the back-to-back (or very close in time) home wins against Clemson (national CBS game, we killed them) and South Carolina were as exhilirating a time to be a State fan as I can remember. It was awesome.

    A postscript to the USC win was the following year – the Gamecock faithful dubbed the rematch as “Black Saturday” and the Chickens beat the ever-loving shit out of us. I think we had negative total yards at halftime.

  12. RickJ 02/19/2008 at 9:51 AM #

    “Kramer had to be helped off the field. I remember WRAL had a shot of him with his head down, teeth gritted, and two guys carrying him to the locker room.”

    I remember this a little differently – I could be wrong but I have a picture of Robby Caldwell running out on the field and giving Kramer a piggy-back ride to the locker room to keep him from suffering any further injury to the ankle.

  13. Noah 02/19/2008 at 10:01 AM #

    Rickj, you could be right. I think Peebles had to be carried off too, didn’t he? Maybe I’m thinking of him.

    BJD – that 1987 South Carolina game was terrible. 48-0. They had Sterling Sharpe, didn’t they? They never let up.

    1988 was the Todd Ellis six-gun game. That was the ESPN Saturday night game. I sat on the bank for that one.

    1989 was the game where Mark Thomas evened the score. I don’t think State fans have ever been so gleeful about a career-ending injury to an opposing player. That was the last game we won that year.

  14. BJD95 02/19/2008 at 10:09 AM #

    I was thinking it was 48 or 49 to zip. But I wasn’t sure. Don’t think that game was televised, remember listening on the radio. The crowd noise was deafening. Think it’s safe to say the Gamecocks were motivated.

    All of these memories are a perfect example of why this series should be played. Bitter, hard-fought, MEMORABLE games.

  15. Noah 02/19/2008 at 10:35 AM #

    It wasn’t televised. Thank Jeebus. I listened to it on the radio while playing Zork (why I remember that, I have no idea, but I remember it clearly).

    Those were the Joe Morrison-led Gamecocks. The guy actually made Danny Ford seem respectable. For those who haven’t done so, next time you’re in a library and have some time, check out the SI article that came out…what was it…1989 or so? on the state of affairs of the South Carolina football program. It told of the academic abuses, the recruiting violations, and the widespread steroid abuse.

    Morrison had a pre-season workout where guys would grab each other by the shoulder heads and slam their heads together until one guy passed out.

    I can’t remember if the guy who penned the article was the guy who jumped offsides and nailed Kramer or not, but he mentions that play.

  16. LRM 02/19/2008 at 10:53 AM #

    What’s the schedule for the next decade look like? Do we even have space to schedule S. Carolina? As an LTR holder I’d hate to give up a home game, but this wouldn’t be a bad series to hold in Charlotte, either (except Williams-Brice holds about 20k more than BofA, which would be a problem for them, I’d imagine).

    We need to do more to build up our regional prowress before we can build it nationally — I like idea of playing SEC teams regularly. Clemson does a great job of this.

  17. Greywolf 02/19/2008 at 10:58 AM #

    A postscript to the USC win was the following year – the Gamecock faithful dubbed the rematch as “Black Saturday” and the Chickens beat the ever-loving shit out of us. I think we had negative total yards at halftime.

    Yeah, and Lou Holtz remembered it and took a team to Brice and ran the score up on their sorry asses too. Took my family on a little trip — funny how I could manage a trip for the family that envolved NCSU football, and was there for that wonderful occasion. We scored in the 60’s — highest scoring game I ever saw NCSU play.

    BJD– So much for my memory of the Peebles catch. LOL

  18. bradleyb123 02/19/2008 at 12:41 PM #

    I’d like to see a winning season with 6-7 wins. I only ask for that much because I think we’re two years away from making a bigger splash. But what I want the most is to get one from friggin Wake Forest. I see them going downhill as State and Carolina both climb the ranks over the years. Jim Grobe will probably end up regretting not taking an offer from some of the bigger schools that came calling. (I hate that for him because I think he’s a good guy…)

    But back to the Wake game, I see NEXT year’s game being one we’re expected to win as we get back on track to owning Wake like we normally do. That’s why I want us to get an early start on that by winning this year’s game, too. Wake has won enough games over State in recent years. It needs to stop, and I mean THIS year!

  19. RAWFS 02/19/2008 at 12:52 PM #

    Grey, I had the misfortune of a front-row seat to that debacle…right in front of our cheerleaders. I couldn’t see a whole lot of the game, but what I did see was not pretty. 43-6 or something like that. I can’t remember the score anymore.

    But unless I am missing what you’re saying, Sheridan was the coach of that team.

  20. Mike 02/19/2008 at 1:27 PM #

    Thanks Noah for the memory – funny I remembered it exactly like you described, trampoline and all.

    Kramer was gimpy before the play, and whoever mentioned Danny had to be carried off the field as well is right. If memory serves me Peebles had a pulled hammy and missed a couple games after that.

    That was also the only time in my life I had 2 dates for the same game, roommates at Meredith.

  21. Noah 02/19/2008 at 1:43 PM #

    Must’ve been Peebles that I remembered being carried off.

    I used to have a copy of the radio call for the end of that game. The great thing was Ausley’s delay before calling the touchdown. Something like…”He throws it and iiiit iiiiiis……(CROWD ROAR!!!)…CAUGHT! It…it’s a touchdown for the Wolfpack! I don’t believe it! Danny…it was Danny Peebles who caught it in the endzone!”

    You hear the wolfhowl over the PA and people going crazy and Ausley’s talking like he’s not really sure where he is or what just happened. It’s great.

  22. RAWFS 02/19/2008 at 1:53 PM #

    At that game, I was ~80 yards from the play. You could almost feel the wall of sound that cascaded down the old configuration of the grandstands. That was one great feeling of utter despair turning into utter joy.

    There were a lot of SoCar fans who were starting fights in the parking lots (the good ole style CFS fields) and a lot of jibber-jabber from them. They were one bitter lot that day.

  23. bradleyb123 02/19/2008 at 2:05 PM #

    I remember that play. I was in the student section and the play before happened right in front of where I was sitting, around the 30-40 yard line. I saw the defender jump over the line like superman or something and sack Kramer, and it was so 100% clear that he jumped over before the ball was snapped, I was going nuts until I realized they called it and gave us one more untimed down. It seemed like that play lasted about a half hour, almost in slow motion!

    I remember the SC fans chanting “ACC! ACC!” in mock fashion because they smelled victory over an ACC team. I’d be in a bad mood, too, if I had to eat that much crow!!!

  24. Greywolf 02/19/2008 at 2:28 PM #

    The past fades in and out on me, but one thing I can remember was the classy gimmick USC had at that time — a fan with the bold letters, “COCK FAN” on it. I remember thinking, “I’m glad I don’t have to explain that to Margot” — my 10 year old daughter.

    I didn’t realize how appropriate that expression would have been at UNX. 😉

  25. Mr O 02/19/2008 at 2:34 PM #

    Here is a portion of one of my Lee Fowler rants(not that anyone is necessarily interested. Just thought some of the numbers were interesting about our football program in the periods during Fowler’s tenure and pre-Fowler. Also some basketball numbers included:

    Fowler should thank the heavens for Julius Hodge and Philip Rivers.

    Philip Rivers era(4 years):
    4 bowl games, 34-17 w/l record

    Post-Rivers era(4 years):
    1 bowl game, 20-27 w/l record

    Julius Hodge era(4 years):
    4/4 NCAA bids, 36-28 ACC record

    Post-Hodge era(almost 3 years):
    1/3 NCAA bids, 19-24

    Interestingly enough it was actually our previous AD that helped convince Philip Rivers to wait until he hired a coach before deciding where to attend college. The years after Philip Rivers left, our football program made a single bowl game in an almost completely renevoted CF stadium. Our basketball program has been taking advantage of having a facility built solely to house the program on campus for somewhere between 2-4 years.

    The past decade would have been a complete disaster without Hodge and Rivers. Disappointing to think that we only staved off disaster by getting commitments from two single players.

    Here are some more tidbits:

    -The last time our football program had 3 losing seasons in four years was 1984-1987. This is the first time we have had 3 losing seasons over a four year period in two decades.

    Record during Fowler’s last four years vs. Record during four years pre-Fowler:

    20-27(43%) vs. 22-24(48%)

    8 years of Fowler vs. 8 years pre-Fowler:

    54-44(55%) vs 50-43(54%)

    Both programs were on the upswing when Fowler got to campus. Our previous AD Les Robinson hired Herb Sendek and Chuck Amato. Amato was just hired before Les left for the Citadel, but Fowler did make the decision to stay with Sendek once coming on board. I have often made the argument that Fowler’s decision was a good one as it directly led to a string of NCAA appearances that wouldn’t have happened withouth Sendek/Julius Hodge. With both programs on solid ground a few years ago, both programs are now in rebuilding mode. That is the part I have issues with in terms of Fowler’s management of these programs. It is just hard for me to believe we are back in a rebuilding mode after building the ESA, the basketball practice facility, renovating CF and building a football operations center as good as any in the country all in the last 10 years.

    Seriously, what the heck happened that we are back to the same level we were with Les Robinson as AD and without $300 million worth of facilities for these programs?

    Only at NC State would the athletic director producing these results recently have his contract extended through 2013. Please tell me there are not people on the BOT who honestly believed that Lee Fowler was going to leave NC State for another position.

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