3-23 (0-16) aka “Progress” redux

Ineptitude reaches a deeper abyss. Actually, we have won 1 more game this year than last, but who is counting (certainly not coach Jed)?

3-23 (0-16)

That would be the record for this year’s women’s Volleyball team. Zero conference wins in 16 attempts. 0-38 in the last two seasons. Another feather in the cap for one, Lee Fowler.

Click here for link to GoPack.com article

You can find last year’s similarly titled entry here. The following is a little more information provided by Dan below the fold.

The match record doesn’t come close to showing how bad that program became under Fowler.

Volleyball matches are best of five games.

I think maybe we’ve won seven games total in ACC play. We are 7-60 in games. Last year they five total games (5-66). Two year combined 12-126. I believe there have been recent years without having won a single game of a best of five match in ACC play.

Its one thing to lose every match. Its another thing to not even be competitive. I’m not piling on the girls. The girls on the team deserve better. So does NC State. Its a matter of institutional pride.

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39 Responses to 3-23 (0-16) aka “Progress” redux

  1. stlouiswufpacker 11/08/2007 at 12:32 AM #

    I’m sorry.. but women’s volleyball… who cares? I don’t think Fowler is the cream of the crop of ADs but to peg women’s volleyball on him, c’mon.

    SFN: Obviously, EVERY other school in the conference ‘cares’ more than we do. If nobody cares…then why do we bother spending the money to field a team? What’s the f’ing point of competing if you’re not really trying to win?

  2. Wufpacker 11/08/2007 at 1:32 AM #

    Its not just women’s volleyball my friend. The entire group of non-revenue programs when taken as a whole is the laughing stock of the conference. It could also be argued that uncle jed “backed into” the hires of the current coaches for the revenue programs and is not due the credit for those, although to his credit he did know a gift(s) when he saw it.

    A trained chimp could pretty much do as well at the helm.

  3. Dan 11/08/2007 at 1:36 AM #

    The match record doesn’t come close to showing how bad that program became under Fowler.

    Volleyball matches are best of five games.

    I think maybe we’ve won seven games total in ACC play. We are 7-60 in games. Last year they five total games (5-66). Two year combined 12-126. I believe there have been recent years without having won a single game of a best of five match in ACC play.

    Its one thing to lose every match. Its another thing to not even be competitive. I’m not piling on the girls. The girls on the team deserve better. So does NC State. Its a matter of institutional pride.

    Fire Lee Fowler.

  4. hoop 11/08/2007 at 1:37 AM #

    Let’s not forget that one of his daughters used to play on the Volleyball team. And he hired the current women’s coach, and made kind of a big deal about it on his weekly Wolfpack AD show. Of all non-revenue sports, it seems to me that women’s volleyball ought to measure up.

  5. JKL 11/08/2007 at 2:55 AM #

    NCSU Students are trying to initiate a RED OUT for Saturday’s game against UNC-CH. In my 4 1/2 years of NCSU academia no one has successfully tried/done this for any wolf pack athletic events.

    Innovations in networking websites (Facebook, MySpace, etc.) and blogs (the one and only StateFans) make this very possible. A Facebook “event” has been started and has gathered nearly 1,500 students to the cause.

    Its time to get it out to the Alumni and the rest of WolfPack Nation!

    Saturday, 12 Noon…. WEAR RED!!

  6. packpigskinfan23 11/08/2007 at 2:59 AM #

    its possible… facebook can just about get Steven Colbert on a balot…. it ought to get NCState to wear some RED!!!!!!

  7. Rick 11/08/2007 at 9:34 AM #

    “A trained chimp could pretty much do as well at the helm.”

    If you trained that chimp it would be one step ahead of Jed.

  8. WTNY 11/08/2007 at 10:27 AM #

    I certainly understand some of the anti-Fowler feelings but this is the kind of topic that gives the “lunatic fringe” label some legs.

    Coach Stubbs is in her second year. I don’t follow the sport but my understanding is she is an upgrade in coaching. I think giving a coach more than 2 years is reasonable.

  9. Trey 11/08/2007 at 10:35 AM #

    A ‘Red Out’ means no ‘Carowhina blue’ jeans – red shirt, red jacket, red pants, red socks, red shoes (or not).

  10. packbackr04 11/08/2007 at 10:59 AM #

    you can coutn me in… ill be there in Red, which… really is no different from any other game i have ever been to… i dont think i have ever been to a State game and not worn red

  11. PAPacker 11/08/2007 at 11:25 AM #

    I’ll be at my in-laws in New Jersey but I’ll be wearing red.

  12. WestCoast 11/08/2007 at 11:59 AM #

    I’m in, even if I have to watch on Gameplan. Red Pumas, Shorts, State red shirt, hat…hell, even a spicey red bloody mary at 9am. I can’t wait to see all that red in the stands friends, make us proud and represent! Go Pack!

  13. Rick 11/08/2007 at 12:13 PM #

    “Coach Stubbs is in her second year. I don’t follow the sport but my understanding is she is an upgrade in coaching. I think giving a coach more than 2 years is reasonable.”

    I will not speak for the author but I agree that a coach should be givne time to perform. I think the point was it should never have gotten this bad.
    Jed has proven time and time again that he is not willing to address a problem before it is too late. He would rather not deal with the unpleasantness.

  14. El Scrotcho 11/08/2007 at 12:36 PM #

    How about we just disband the team and redistribute the scholarships to other women’s teams. Can you do that under Title IX as long as you keep the same number of scholarships?

    And seriously….what do we have to do to get rid of Fowler? The fact that NC State settles for this type of leadership in any facet of the university continues to dissuade me from making significant financial contributions. I love the school, but the leadership continues to disappoint me.

  15. joe 11/08/2007 at 12:48 PM #

    Each sport has a scholarship limit and NCSU is at the limit for all womens sports.

  16. WTNY 11/08/2007 at 1:25 PM #

    Rick — I didn’t read this item from that angle. I agree that Fowler should have addressed the problem earlier.

  17. old13 11/08/2007 at 1:38 PM #

    IMO the volleyball situation is only one example of a miriad of areas where Foulup has consistently demonstrated his ineptitude in the administration of sports; not to mention his ridiculous insulting of any and all fans, alumni and CONTRIBUTOR$ who happen to hold different opinions from his and voice them. He’s supposed to be the face and voice of Wolfpack sports. Yet he prints public letters and makes public statements berating Wolfpack supporters. How can that EVER be justified!

    Additionally, Foulup has made public statements of goals and standards for all Wolfpack sports; yet there is absolutely no evidence that coaches are evaluated against those standards (including Sendek), much less acted upon, or that any significant progress is being made overall to attain them. (I exempt current basketball and football in this statement because it is my belief that those men’s sports have progressed in spite of Foulup, not because of him, and Kay Yow was long established as a top coach before Foulup stepped on campus. The fact that Lowe and TOB are at NCSU has nothing to do with anything that Foulup did other than sign the contracts.)

    To me, the facts the Foulup is still AD and someone like Tom Stafford has any decision-making authority regarding Wolfpack sports and events, makes me think that Oblinger either doesn’t really care about NCSU athletics or its fans and contributors, or is incompetent himself regarding athletics administration (and possibly more encompassing.)

    As someone said above, I love NCSU. But I am ashamed of the rinky-dink image of NCSU athletics that is presented to the region (and to the nation, for that matter) by the NCSU administration. Further there seems to be much difference between the administration’s rhetoric and its actions (or lack thereof.)

  18. packgrad93 11/08/2007 at 1:39 PM #

    “I certainly understand some of the anti-Fowler feelings but this is the kind of topic that gives the “lunatic fringe” label some legs.”

    yep

  19. McPete 11/08/2007 at 1:41 PM #

    YES! My favorite topic, after competitive stamp collecting (for what it’s worth, UNC has a top 10 stamp collecting program and it just pisses me off).

    In the cutthroat world of women’s volleyball, it’s win now or else. I hear no one on the team is over 5’5″ tall and there’s actually a girl on the team with no arms! To think!

    If the non-revenue sports are so important to people, how come there is never a post or comment about the men’s cross-country program, which is apparently quite sucessful? Because it’s positive? They only matter if they aren’t good? Doesn’t jive with the ‘Fire Fowler’ crowd?

    Now if you’ll excuse me, i have to watch the ultimate frisbee golf team practice.

  20. packgrad93 11/08/2007 at 2:09 PM #

    ^ LMAO!

  21. primacyone 11/08/2007 at 2:37 PM #

    ^ and ^

    Please post Lee Fowler’s successess. What exactly is better now than when he came on board in regards to the success and performance improvement of NCSU Athletics?

  22. packgrad02 11/08/2007 at 2:48 PM #

    ^LMAFLGJOMO
    Yeah, we got it good with Lee just like we had it good with the great one. Sidney is good but he does not have the indepth knowledge to run the world’s greatest offense. Threes>>>>>>>>>>>>Twos Anyone can see that.

  23. packgrad93 11/08/2007 at 3:34 PM #

    ^ huh?

  24. joe 11/08/2007 at 3:45 PM #

    I don’t care if Fowler is axed, but I think most fans would say the current FB and BB coaches are much better than the guys on hand when Fowler was hired.

  25. Mike 11/08/2007 at 4:07 PM #

    Did Fowler graduate from NC State? in 1993? I am finally starting to make sense of it now.

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