UNC Hoops Breaks Recruiting Rules (Updated 10:45 am)

You will want to scroll down to see the article andread the quotes to provide you a backdrop before reading our commentary.

Some of our historians may want to chime in here…but we think that it is important to note a similar historical parallel to this situation that will turn your stomach when you consider the lack of consistency of how the NCAA treats its member institutions.

In 1971/1972, UNC-CH Head Basketball Coach Dean Smith was responsible for reporting NC State to the NCAA because David Thompson – who was already committed to play at NC State – participated in an informal pick-up basketball game on State’s campus that included assistant basketball coach, Eddie Biedenbach. Smith and the NCAA interpreted the game as a ‘tryout’ – despite the fact that Thompson was already enrolling in NC State. The violations led to probation that excluded State from the NCAA Tournament for the 1972-1973 season. The Wolfpack dominated the 1972-73 season sitting at or near the top of the polls all season and finished undefeated with a 28-0 record. The same core team proceeded to win the 1974 National Championship with only one loss (to UCLA) on their resume.

Obviously, ^the Wolfpack’s violation related to a ‘recruit’ that was already committed to NC State (and may have already been ENROLLED at the time) is SIGNIFICANTLY LESS severe than the use of former players to ‘(use) different ways to try and persuade (him) to go there’ (by his own words). We can’t wait to see the Carolina Basketball program brough to its knees with similar probation for much worse behavior. (sarcasm)

Of course, there is NOTHING NEW to this practice in Chapel Hill. Quite frankly, we’re surprised that it is even an issue in light of the years of behavior that the local media and NCAA has chosen to ignore. For example, in the early 1990s highly-recruited high school basketball player, Jerry Stackhouse, openly admitted that Michael Jordan made phone calls – some during dead periods – to the Kinson star that played a significant role in his selection of going to UNC. No matter how you feel about the appropriateness of the rules, the NCAA has always forbidden such recruiting practices by anyone who is not a designated recruiting member of a school’s basketball program. Alums can inadvertently ‘bump into’ players when they happen to be on campus at the same time; but they cannot engage in activities to recruit the player to campus.

CHAPEL HILL – North Carolina is conducting a review to determine whether NCAA rules were broken during a basketball recruit’s campus visit last weekend.

Guard Iman Shumpert of Oak Park, Ill., told the Observer he spoke with and played pickup basketball against NBA players Raymond Felton, Sean May and Marvin Williams during his official visit. All three played for North Carolina’s 2005 NCAA championship team.

“They were just using different ways to try and persuade me to go there, especially Sean May,” Shumpert told the InsideCarolina.com Web site, whose report led to UNC’s review. The Web site is not affiliated with the university.

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59 Responses to UNC Hoops Breaks Recruiting Rules (Updated 10:45 am)

  1. redfred2 09/20/2007 at 7:58 PM #

    I don’t know why anyone is even wasting time saying that the NCAA rules “should be this “, or “need to do that”.

    The rules already ARE, and they ARE *supposedly* enforced the same for everyone.

  2. beowolf 09/20/2007 at 7:59 PM #

    Whatever they might have said to Shumpert apparently is OK, because they are enrolled as students working toward completion of degrees left unfinished when they filed for early NBA draft entry.

    NOW it makes sense when people who are earning millions of dollars a year go back to UNC to “finish their degree.”

    They’re recruiting “legally.” It’s all part of being “in the family.”

  3. redfred2 09/20/2007 at 8:05 PM #

    State Fans Nation,

    Please let us know by what means it was accomplished when you folks succumb to the pressure and are persuaded to totally erase all information contained in this thread, along with any knowledge whatsoever, of any afore mentioned UNC wrong doings.

  4. highstick 09/20/2007 at 8:24 PM #

    Beo, you got it!

  5. stejen 09/20/2007 at 8:24 PM #

    To me this is minor compared to the way Phil Ford skated when he wrecked a car (a University owned one if my memory is correct) with a blood alcohol level well over 0.2%. Instead of losing his job as most people would have (imagine if Larry Harris pulled such a stunt) they patted him on the back for admitting he had a problem (duh) and going into rehab. Then they got pissed because Doherty would not hire him. I don’t expect anything to come of this incident as it really isn’t that big of a deal. Granted the N&O would be having a lot more fun with this if it happened at another school.

  6. bTHEredterror 09/20/2007 at 11:35 PM #

    It’s simple really. I’m reminded of a quip I heard long ago in reference to purported wrongdoings under Wooden. It goes…. NCAA will contact UCLA and demand they play by the rules, or Long Beach State will get put on probation.

    Why worry if your UNC, there will be no 2 page expose or outlet for a student trainer to spill the beans. The media won’t investigate and seek other similar violations, and the NCAA will not sacrifice one of its best milkcows just because it has it has a little crap in its hooves.

  7. TTandB74 09/21/2007 at 5:33 AM #

    NCAA might send them a please don’t do this again letter, but that’s it. I read the DT report years ago, and it seemed to be esoteric crap stuff (rides from coaches, etc.) Haven’t read it in years, and don’t feel like reading it again. It hurts too much to have that season taken away, even though I was only five.
    I don’t think UNC should get a year’s probation, but maybe some recruiting restrictions, a scholly taken away, or something along those lines. Of course, if they’d just add up the crap the wussy blues have gotten away with over the years, they could cancel the next two seasons.

  8. gumbydammit 09/25/2007 at 1:40 AM #

    UNC’s punishment will be a “stern look” from the NCAA, and nothing more. Of course, Roy gave players money at Kansas and he suffered no consequences. UNC Basketball could hire drunk illegal immigrants to take recruits out to kill babies by running over them with gas-hog SUVs that don’t meet emission standards, shouting “Jihad!” out the window as they do it, and the NCAA would not do anything…

  9. nycfan 09/28/2007 at 11:25 AM #

    ^One reason Roy suffered no consequences at KU was that he did not give players money.

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