UNC Hoops Breaks Recruiting Rules (Updated 10:45 am)

You will want to scroll down to see the article andread the quotes to provide you a backdrop before reading our commentary.

Some of our historians may want to chime in here…but we think that it is important to note a similar historical parallel to this situation that will turn your stomach when you consider the lack of consistency of how the NCAA treats its member institutions.

In 1971/1972, UNC-CH Head Basketball Coach Dean Smith was responsible for reporting NC State to the NCAA because David Thompson – who was already committed to play at NC State – participated in an informal pick-up basketball game on State’s campus that included assistant basketball coach, Eddie Biedenbach. Smith and the NCAA interpreted the game as a ‘tryout’ – despite the fact that Thompson was already enrolling in NC State. The violations led to probation that excluded State from the NCAA Tournament for the 1972-1973 season. The Wolfpack dominated the 1972-73 season sitting at or near the top of the polls all season and finished undefeated with a 28-0 record. The same core team proceeded to win the 1974 National Championship with only one loss (to UCLA) on their resume.

Obviously, ^the Wolfpack’s violation related to a ‘recruit’ that was already committed to NC State (and may have already been ENROLLED at the time) is SIGNIFICANTLY LESS severe than the use of former players to ‘(use) different ways to try and persuade (him) to go there’ (by his own words). We can’t wait to see the Carolina Basketball program brough to its knees with similar probation for much worse behavior. (sarcasm)

Of course, there is NOTHING NEW to this practice in Chapel Hill. Quite frankly, we’re surprised that it is even an issue in light of the years of behavior that the local media and NCAA has chosen to ignore. For example, in the early 1990s highly-recruited high school basketball player, Jerry Stackhouse, openly admitted that Michael Jordan made phone calls – some during dead periods – to the Kinson star that played a significant role in his selection of going to UNC. No matter how you feel about the appropriateness of the rules, the NCAA has always forbidden such recruiting practices by anyone who is not a designated recruiting member of a school’s basketball program. Alums can inadvertently ‘bump into’ players when they happen to be on campus at the same time; but they cannot engage in activities to recruit the player to campus.

CHAPEL HILL – North Carolina is conducting a review to determine whether NCAA rules were broken during a basketball recruit’s campus visit last weekend.

Guard Iman Shumpert of Oak Park, Ill., told the Observer he spoke with and played pickup basketball against NBA players Raymond Felton, Sean May and Marvin Williams during his official visit. All three played for North Carolina’s 2005 NCAA championship team.

“They were just using different ways to try and persuade me to go there, especially Sean May,” Shumpert told the InsideCarolina.com Web site, whose report led to UNC’s review. The Web site is not affiliated with the university.

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59 Responses to UNC Hoops Breaks Recruiting Rules (Updated 10:45 am)

  1. highstick 09/20/2007 at 12:14 PM #

    Practice with my recruits during the summer, help me recruit, and I’ll “give you a degree” from the honorable institution in some bogus major so that I can pump up my graduation rates. ………………. This is called the “CAROLINA WAY”!

    That’s where they should be focusing the investigation! And this has been my suspicion all along.

  2. Redblogger 09/20/2007 at 12:20 PM #

    Hey, at least our local media is all over this like white on rice. For proof look at the lead story of WRAL/Sports

    “Sophomore Picks Carolina
    Updated Sep. 19 11:24 p.m.

    Virginia prep star Kendall Marshall makes a verbal commitment to play basketball at North Carolina.”

    With coverage like this Carolina will never be able to avoid pubic scrutiny about NCAA rules violations.

  3. highonlowe 09/20/2007 at 12:23 PM #

    I propose that NCSU offer a year-round internet course with no assignments, aptly called “Recruiting Loopholes 101”. All former athletes and big-time alumni are welcome to enroll.

    Seriously though, these rules and their inconsistent enforcements are ridiculous.

  4. buttPACKer 09/20/2007 at 1:17 PM #

    they will quietly register Felton for some online course, and dance around that one too. . .

  5. Great Dane Guy 09/20/2007 at 1:18 PM #

    I did what Noah suggested and read the online report. Lots of stuff cited, only 1 of which was DT and the pickup game. Lots of basketball camp stuff, transportation, free lodging, ect…

  6. Mr O 09/20/2007 at 1:23 PM #

    NYCfan: DT didn’t move on campus and start to work out with a coach. On a visit, he played in a pickup basketball game that E. Biedenbach was a part of either as a player or spectator. Then DT stayed in a campus dorm with a student and we didn’t charge him the required $10~ to stay the night which the NCAA required.

  7. beowolf 09/20/2007 at 2:04 PM #

    If this story picks up, I expect an N&O stakeout at Coach Lowe’s sprinkler system.

  8. packpigskinfan23 09/20/2007 at 2:34 PM #

    Manny Lawson- Torn ACL. Out for season.

  9. Mr O 09/20/2007 at 2:42 PM #

    That sucks packpigskinfan23. He was on his way to being a star.

  10. smile102 09/20/2007 at 2:50 PM #

    # JimValvano Says:
    September 20th, 2007 at 12:03 pm

    I mean…how hard is it to uphold a precedent?

    Which is what?

  11. smile102 09/20/2007 at 3:11 PM #

    I find 5 Major Infractions for NCSU and none for UNC; is that correct?
    https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/LSDBi/LSDBi.MajorInfPackage.MI_Search_Input?p_Cmd=Go_Search

  12. StateFans 09/20/2007 at 3:14 PM #

    roy’s new nickname: Secondary Roy

  13. Wolf Dog 09/20/2007 at 4:29 PM #

    DT, Norm Sloan and others have remarked that State didn’t do anything that Dean/Carolina didn’t do or offer to do. Sloan got DT, took the punishment while remaining a class act and won a national championship.

    As far Mr. Blue Sheep Smile 101, same ol Carolina comment. Carolina Fans, “We never been found guilty of nothing!” “UNC have the cleanist Record in College Athletics.” Wrong! the UNC Chapel Hill Men’s basketball team had a player admit to shaving points along with members of the NCSU basketball team back years ago. Do your research. Your school got blood on its hands just like soooo many others.

  14. highstick 09/20/2007 at 4:31 PM #

    Wolf Dog, they rewrite history over there, don’t they. All you gotta do is read about Lou Brown. Most of the younger Tarholes don’t even know he existed.

  15. JimValvano 09/20/2007 at 4:41 PM #

    smile102

    the precedent to which I am alluding are the previous cases of such violations by other programs. The NCAA handles it as a case by case basis and penalizes some more harshly than others…though the crime is the same. The NCAA should be able to look back at other cases and uphold those decisions and enforce the penalties in a similar manor.

  16. Wolf Dog 09/20/2007 at 4:42 PM #

    Packman97 I was at the Shime bowl and was at practices and such. The NCAA was only given the UNC version of what happened, did no real investigation. They just took the UNC word of what happened. Myself, Amato, and Amato’s staff at the time all knew Bunting and his staff were blantly violating recruitng rules. Heck they were talking to kids after practices. They weren’t even suppose to be there. Amato commented on it a couple times back then. Bunting’s excuse was he learning the ropes and rules of college recruiting. But oh well those kind of actions and others hurt Bunting recruiting cause he was not respected amoung many NC HS coaches and he ended being fired. I do know the HS coaches around my area have liked what they have seen and heard from TB and staff.

  17. beowolf 09/20/2007 at 5:19 PM #

    Wolf Dog, surely you know the Helms Foundation looked into it and exonerated UNC of all improperly found NCAA violations.

  18. backinpack 09/20/2007 at 5:28 PM #

    hey, smiley learn to use computers properly:

    http://tinyurl.com/2x2tq3

  19. highstick 09/20/2007 at 5:48 PM #

    Inside Carolina, the Home of “Not the Slightest Hint of Any Intelligence”. They are such a bunch of pompous……………a..h..les!

  20. vtpackfan 09/20/2007 at 6:09 PM #

    See a couple threads ago when some readers here commented on how Sendek ran a “squeaky clean” program. He was shadow boxing, since no one gives anyone any credit for “squeaky” vs. just clean.

  21. smile102 09/20/2007 at 6:22 PM #

    Wolf Dog says: “Do your research.”

    I’ll try to. Where will I find an example of this, the punishment UNC should get based on what another school similarly did… and got. I’m just looking for facts to back up these statements. If it’s true, that’s powerful, but I wouldn’t want to repeat it w/o substantiation. That is one of the things I generally admire about this site and is different from so many others: numbers, quotes, citations. You in fact did so on this topic above, pointing out a difference in the early 70’s violation and the developing UNC one. That’s good stuff that adds credibility to you, and this site, and makes it a good read. I appreciate the information to support claims and opinion.

    (And I’ve quickly learned there is no edit button!)

  22. john of sparta 09/20/2007 at 6:46 PM #

    NCAA = IRS.
    too many esoteric rules and flagrant errors.
    just like when the “boys in the blue suits” (pun)
    call you for an audit, just admit it, pay a little more,
    and walk away free and clear.
    CDB….cost of doing business.

  23. wolfman 09/20/2007 at 6:59 PM #

    They won’t be given the slightest punishment, and we all know it. Like all other things that are wrong in the world, this too will go unpunished.

    I think it’s a little convenient that he just happened to be playing pickup games on UNCsux’ campus during his official visit, and there just happened to be three guys, former UNCsux and current NBA players, playing pickup games on the same day. What a coincidence! I’m sure it happens all the time! I wonder what were all the different ways they tried to persuade him to go there…

  24. highstick 09/20/2007 at 7:18 PM #

    Come on guys, they are “in class” getting their degrees in “recreational management” or “studying African Americans” or something like that. They may have been doing a “scientific study in computing the arc of a 3 pointer” from different places on the court. Perhaps even on a field trip to discuss the philosophy of dribbling.

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