Turn to Happier Thoughts – Pack RBs

If thinking about our QB situation rightly makes you a bit squeamish, the RB position will be perhaps our one true area of strength. WRAL’s blog has a nice article on that topic.

Junior running backs Toney Baker or Andre Brown were each brought to Raleigh as former national top-100 recruits, and in their freshman year together, each showed flashes as why both were so highly regarded.

But in 2006, neither one built upon their freshman success, and so the N.C. State offense subsequently sputtered. The Wolfpack was ranked nationally 79th in the run and 101st in total offense.

Sometimes they just weren’t in the game plan, and that play-calling irritated and perplexed some Wolfpack fans. In a loss to Georgia Tech, Daniel Evans threw 53 times while Baker and Brown only received 12 carries. The next week, Baker carried 34 times and ran for 175 yards in a loss to Clemson.

According to Baker, the new staff won’t shy away from the run altogether as it did against the Yellow Jackets, nor will it rely on just the run as it did against the Tigers. Consistency is a trademark of Tom O’Brien coached teams.

Still, we have to find a way to keep defenses from stacking 8 or 9 in the box. I’m not convinced we can.

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22 Responses to Turn to Happier Thoughts – Pack RBs

  1. packpigskinfan23 08/16/2007 at 2:14 PM #

    seems we are on the same page today SFN… happier thoughts- lets talk RB’s!!!

    I put my money on Baker having more yards and more carrys through the whole year… but Brown having the biggest game and some of the bigger plays.

    I just really like the consistency we get from Tony Baker.

  2. RochesterRedWolf 08/16/2007 at 2:33 PM #

    i think consistency is a function of how consistent Brown gets the ball handed to him. As that article pointed out, sometimes he was in the game and alot of the times Brown wasn’t, hard to be “consistent” if you don’t consistently have opportunities to produce.

  3. DRW 08/16/2007 at 2:47 PM #

    Whether its the QB or the RB’s, our success will hinge solely on the play of our OL, IMHO.

  4. lush 08/16/2007 at 3:02 PM #

    dont forget about jamal eugene, that guy is blazing fast. i would think he and db will be our tandem on kickoffs. tob said the full back wont run very much but he will have to have good hands to keep the d honest. who has the best hands out the big 3?

  5. VaWolf82 08/16/2007 at 4:07 PM #

    I don’t understand why anyone would pull for one RB over the other…..I want the best RB to get the majority of the snaps.

    I suspect that this year will look alot like the last half of the 2005 season. Some games State will win by wearing down the opponents (like USM game) and some games will stink from beginning to end (like BC game). The only question is how many of each will we have?

    The comparison between the offense against GT and CU last year was stupid. Alot of teams were successful running on Clemson…..not so for GT. And as I noted before last year’s game, State has never run well against GT.

  6. lush 08/16/2007 at 4:16 PM #

    i cant even remember the last time we played well at all vs. GT. the game we squeaked out in 05 was a miracle. we were abused up and down the field, but somhow had a 5 yard completion that turned into an 85 yard td, and we were saved by a last minute interception in the endzone.

  7. packpigskinfan23 08/16/2007 at 4:27 PM #

    thats what I am getting at VaWolf… I want the back that plays the best consistently to play the most. and from looking at last year(I am not a stats guy, so I am going from memory here) Baker was the back who hardly ever got us negative yards, or fumbled. Brown did a couple of crucial times(mainly WF) and THAT is when he started to play less for a few games. you can blame chuck for that if you want, but I think its defendable. looking at this year, I hope they both play great! I hope they both get as many snaps as the other and they both go for 1000+yrds. BUT what I see happening is Tony Baker being the more consistent back who gets the most snaps and has the fewer turnovers, and AB having some SportCenter Top 10 plays, but also a couple of costly fumbles.

  8. graywolf 08/16/2007 at 4:36 PM #

    What DRW said^^^^^

    OL determines our entire offense this year.

  9. GAWolf 08/16/2007 at 5:00 PM #

    Tech has one of the best Defensive Coordinators in the country in Tenuta and we’ve had about the worst offense in the country for the last however many years since Rivers. And we wonder why we have terrible games versus Tech???

  10. CaptainCraptacular 08/16/2007 at 6:27 PM #

    Its amazing to me Tenuta hasn’t already been scooped up for HBC somewhere else, but I suppose he’ll be first in line when the Jackets fire Gailey for losing to UGA again. Or if not, then he’ll return to alma mater UVa.

    As for RB, I don’t necessarily think one back should get to play that much more than the others because from what I have seen so far, none of them have separated themselves from the others very much. They are all so close together in terms of potential.

    So I want to see all 3 of them used to their strengths in the most appropriate situations. To vastly oversimplify, TB can pound it, AB can break it, and JE can fake it, especially on the screen/swing pass. Added benefit: none of them get worn down and suffer injury or ineffectiveness as a result.

  11. john of sparta 08/16/2007 at 7:36 PM #

    this is the year of the running back. Pack/Tigers/WFU/etc.
    a retro year. look for the old 4 to 1 ratio in plays.
    will Oklahoma ride this?
    lots of under/overs in the 30’s.

  12. VaWolf82 08/16/2007 at 9:42 PM #

    OL determines our entire offense this year.

    I agree….but unfortunately alot of the reason for this is the the QB position appears to be a real problem/weakness.

  13. Primewolf 08/16/2007 at 10:41 PM #

    Will our defense be good enough to let us try to beat the other team by turnover margin and mistakes. How many points will we have to score.

    If our Oline is halfway competent, maybe we win 7 games. If not, who knows.

  14. bTHEredterror 08/17/2007 at 12:51 AM #

    I would almost rather have GT than Miami, even with Tenuta considered. Can someone explain to me why we will have played every other team from the Coastal twice since the merger three years ago, and yet Duke not even once?

    I think we have a defense with some experienced talent on the line and secondary (I like our safeties a lot), LB’s are the key. Ernest Jones would make plays, and then overrun plays, but he plays fast. Rumph is a solid LB, though he struggles with the run at times. Martin was the star of camp last fall and playing great before he got hurt, I think he will have a good year. From there who knows. The O-line lacks proven depth, but a good QB, which, granted, we may not have, can account for a spotty line, they just need to block their assignments and communicate with each other. I believe the simplified scheme will lend itself to some improvement, and the solid backs will find ways to gain yards. The defense will almost certainly be better at creating TOs, and we likely will get to keep the third down stops instead of getting penalized. I foresee a sudden change of direction. Buckle-up.

    I am optimistic, no doubt, but I feel the team had a nightmare season a year ago, an inescapable confluence of bad luck and bad judgement reminiscent of Groundhog Day, and they now have a fresh approach and the desire to enjoy Feb third. Don’t underestimate the impact that can have, or the talent on hand for that matter.

  15. kool k 08/17/2007 at 9:48 AM #

    I wonder if Duke complains that they haven’t ben able to play us for the past 3 years?
    Randy Cuthbert and Clarkston Hines still suiting up for them?

  16. kool k 08/17/2007 at 9:49 AM #


  17. newt 08/17/2007 at 11:20 AM #

    Single factors that can cause losses if weak: 1 – O-line. 2 -D-line. 3 – QB. 4 -corners.

    Single factors that can create wins if strong: 1 – QB. 2 – D-line. 3 – O-line.

  18. TNCSU 08/17/2007 at 11:36 AM #

    2 more factors causing a loss if weak – Coaching, Senior leadership
    Creating wins if strong – Coaching & senior leadership

  19. McPete 08/17/2007 at 1:18 PM #

    2 more factors causing a loss if weak – scoring, preventing other team from scoring

    2 more factors causing a win if strong – scoring, preventing other team from scoring

    WILD CARD! – live wolves, philip rivers, el nino.

  20. lush 08/17/2007 at 1:29 PM #

    ^hilarious mcpete

  21. redfred2 08/17/2007 at 10:58 PM #

    been busy? been fishing? been ladin? been drinking? been dover? or what???

    There are a lot questions left unanswered in your post up there.

  22. packgrad2000 08/21/2007 at 12:03 AM #

    In 2000 we beat GT in overtime. Philip Rivers threw a fade to Koren Robinson to win the game. I believe they were Top 25. That was the last time we played well vs. GT.

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