Basketball Schedule Released (With OOC Analysis)

The 2007-2008 basketball schedule is hot off the presses. Our first glance tells us that, there are not a lot of Sunday night FSN games this year.

10/27 – Red/White Scrimmage

11/1 – Barton College (Exh.) 7:00 p.m.

SFN Analysis: We’ll probably have to link to the YouTube of the wild D-III finish again. Let’s hope our broadcast crew doesn’t embarrass themselves with talk of beating a “defending champion” like they did last football season.

11/6 – UNC Pembroke (Exh.) 7:00 p.m.

SFN Analysis: This just reminds us of the ubiquitous billboards on I-95 when we head south. Almost as much as South of the Border.

11/15 – William & Mary (7:00 p.m.)

SFN Analysis: An appropriate caliber opponent for a season opener (Sagarin 201). Sadly, there are 7 OOC foes that fared worse last season (shakes head incredulously). If we were the AA stop on the Lou Holtz career train, William & Mary was where he played A-ball.

11/18 – New Orleans (6:30 p.m., FSNS)

SFN Analysis: IIRC, this game is part of a “2 and 1” series with the Privateers, as part of our deal to hire away former head coach Monte Towe. Hey, at least it’s on TV, unlike the fabulous December road date that Lee so wisely lined up for us (more later).

Old Spice Classic – Orlando, Fla.

11/22 – Rider (2:00 p.m., ESPN2)

SFN Analysis: Rider is in the same conference as last year’s 2nd-round NIT opponent, Marist (we think). Avoiding the first round upset and staying on the ESPN2 path should be easy.

11/23 – Penn State/South Carolina (TBA, ESPN2 or ESPNU)

SFN Analysis: Penn State sucks, so let’s hope for NIT legend Dave Odom to square off with the Pack here. It would be nice to get at least a moderate test before likely facing our first legitimately talented foe.

11/25 – TBA – maybe Kansas State or Villanova? (TBA, ESPN2 or ESPNU)

SFN Analysis: Not much stands between one set of Wildcats (hat tip to RickJ from the comments) and the finals, so we will go ahead and anticipate these matchups. K State doesn’t have Huggy Bear anymore, but still has his recruits (for this year anyway). Incoming freshman Michael Beasley was the only player that impressed me as much as J.J. Hickson during the McDonald’s All-American game. K State would be a very interesting game that wouldn’t get much national attention. Villanova followed up their exciting 2005-06 season with a more pedestrian 2006-07, but they would also make a quality opponent here.

Big Ten/ACC Challenge

11/28 – at Michigan State (7:00 p.m., ESPN)

SFN Analysis: Here’s your first signature moment of the 2007-08 season, and we can thank the scheduling powers-that-be for a wonderful opportunity. For the first time in Challenge history, the Pack gets one of the 2 coveted non-Duke/Carolina “Big Boy ESPN” slots. Coming off 3 neutral court games (at least 1 or 2 of which should be at least mildly challenging), the Pack should be primed for a true road test. It’s all upside here, as a loss would be respectable, and a win would be a significant, nationally-recognized upset. The Spartan fans are also a classy bunch, based on my memories of a Sendek-era NCAAT matchup.

12/8 – at East Carolina (7:00 p.m.)

SFN Analysis: Memo to Lee Fowler – when a TV-friendly ACC team (expected to be in the Top 4 of the league) plays a non-conference road game that isn’t televised – you really fucked up. There’s no point in playing this game, other than exposing yourself to a chance (albeit very small) of abject humiliation. Want to think outside the box? Schedule a “2 for 1” against a Missouri Valley Conference team – not this Mickey Mouse shit.

12/15 – South Carolina State (2:30 p.m.)

SFN Analysis: We only play 2 games between 11/28 at Michigan State and 12/21 against Davidson (and this is one of them). I understand the need for an exam lull, but this is pretty extreme.

12/21 – Davidson (7:00 p.m., FSNS)

SFN Analysis: This was, IIRC, a late addition to the schedule. Thank God it was added, because it’s probably the best home game on the OOC schedule. Whoever guards Dell Curry’s kid needs to be awake and focused. Courtney and Gavin, this likely means you. Get your heads on straight now.

12/23 – Cincinnati (7:30 p.m., FSN)

SFN Analysis: Hopefully, some redemption for perhaps the ugliest loss of the 2006-07 season. As I watched the 2nd half over lunch with one of my kids at a Cary sports bar, I wondered if we really might go 1-15 or 2-14 in ACC play. Fortunately, we got better. Much better.

12/27 – at Seton Hall (TBA)

SFN Analysis: Former NC State commit Larry Davis will be in uniform for the Pirates. Wonder if he has any regrets? This will be a tough test, after 2 decent, bunched-together home games and only a very short break to see family for Christmas. A letdown game is very possible, perhaps even likely.

12/29 – Western Carolina (2:30 p.m.)

SFN Analysis: Curiously, we start a run of 3 extreme cupcake games, bridging the more balanced/interesting portion of our OOC schedule and conference play – going more than 2 weeks without an even mildly challenging game. I don’t see the logic in it at all – hopefully, our hands were tied and we didn’t choose such a ridiculous setup. Former Sendek assistant Larry Hunter returns to town, so there’s your point of interest.

1/5 – Presbyterian (2:30 p.m.)

SFN Analysis: The Pack rings in the new year with a first year D-I opponent. Even the worst 96-hour hangover couldn’t trip us up here – but I worry about creeping bad habits and loss of focus through this high-carb stretch.

1/9 – North Carolina Central (7:00 p.m.)

SFN Analysis: A second consecutive first-year D-I foe? That’s just freaking ridiculous. Before UNC, no less – about as extreme of a change in temperature as you can get. Think Antarctica vs. the Kalahari Desert.

1/12 – at North Carolina (12:00 p.m., ESPN)

1/15 – at Clemson (7:00 p.m., RSN)

1/19 – Miami (8:00 p.m., RLF Split)

1/23 – Georgia Tech (7:00 p.m., ESPN2)

1/26 – at Florida State (1:30 p.m., RLF)

1/31 – at Duke (9:00 p.m., RLF)

2/3 – Wake Forest (12:00 p.m., RLF)

2/5 – Virginia Tech (7:00 p.m., ESPNU)

2/9 – at Maryland (8:00 p.m., RLF)

2/14 – at Boston College (7:00 p.m., ESPN or ESPN2)

2/16 – Clemson (3:00 p.m., RLF Split)

2/20 – North Carolina (7:00 p.m., ESPN)

2/24 – at Virginia (5:30 p.m., FSN)

2/27 – Florida State (7:00 p.m., ESPNU)

3/1 – Duke (12:00 p.m., CBS)

3/8 – at Wake Forest (12:00 p.m., RLF Split)

RSN – Regional Sports Network
FSN – Fox Sports Network
RLF – Raycom/Lincoln Financial Sports
FSNS – Fox Sports Net South

BJD95’s Initial Analysis:

We caught a good break with the ACC/Big Ten challenge game – otherwise, it’s a pretty lackluster schedule. I also don’t like the way it lays out – particularly the 15 days between the last legitimate opponent (12/27, at Seton Hall) and the ACC opener (1/12, at UNC). Naturally, I also don’t like opening ACC play with our most difficult matchup of the season. That just plain sucks. Once ACC play begins, no more OOC games. Don’t like that, either.

NC State’s final Sagarin rating last year was 64. Everyone certainly expects that the 2007-08 team will be stronger – so why does our best case scenario schedule (assuming we get South Carolina and Kansas State or ‘Nova in the last 2 rounds of the Old Spice Classic) involve playing only 3 OOC teams that rated higher, and 11 rated lower? If we get opponents other than the Gamecocks and Wildcats, that ratio could slip as low as an abhorrent 1:13. A maximum of 6 of our 14 opponents were rated between 1-200 last season, and we play #299 East Carolina on the fucking road. Great idea, Lee! Generously giving first year D-1 foes NC Central and Presbyterian default ratings of 300, the Sagarin average of Wolfpack OOC foes, assuming the best possible Old Spice opponents, is approximately 183.

One nice positive – at least three appearances on “big boy” ESPN, and at least 6 on ESPN/ESPN2 combined. The Pack only has one network game scheduled (home against Duke, on CBS), which is disappointing. Still, looks like we might be able to watch in HD 7 times this season.

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75 Responses to Basketball Schedule Released (With OOC Analysis)

  1. Trout 08/23/2007 at 3:32 PM #


    – For the first time since the ACC went through expansion, NC State will face the other three ACC teams from North Carolina both home and away.

    – @ Michigan State provides the opportunity for a major OOC victory

    – Old Spice Tournament will provide a nice challenge and a tournament format


    – Home OOC schedule is somewhat weak. Davidson is probably the headline home OOC game

    – The Fowler Classic

  2. DRW 08/23/2007 at 3:55 PM #

    Only 16 home games? I thought we’ve had at least 17 in the past few years?

  3. newt 08/23/2007 at 4:03 PM #

    I’ll call our schedule successful when we’re on TV in November and December as much of the rest of the big four. It does seem a little better.

  4. tooyoungtoremember 08/23/2007 at 4:06 PM #

    Old Spice Classic in Orlando probably takes a slot or two away for home games.

  5. BJD95 08/23/2007 at 4:15 PM #

    Help me out here – I’m having trouble finding Sagarin ratings for Presbyterian or NC Central. Were they freaking Division II last year? Are we seriously playing Sagarin 254 Western carolina, then 2 first-year D-I teams leading up to the game in Chapel Hill?

  6. Trout 08/23/2007 at 4:28 PM #

    ^ The Blue Hose play 4 ACC teams this year: Clemson, Georgia Tech, NC State and Wake Forest.

    Western is Larry Hunter’s team.

    Yes, both NC Central and PC are first year D1 programs.

  7. tvp 08/23/2007 at 4:40 PM #

    One of these days, we are going to figure out that the way to improve our RPI is to replace those games v. sub-250 teams with games v. 150-200 ranked teams.

  8. RabidWolf 08/23/2007 at 4:56 PM #

    Feel thakful that PC won’t have the leading conference scorer on their team this year, Johann Collins. I regularly play this monster in pick up games, and he is quite a player. 6’11” / 7′ monster with a 3 point shot. Don’t know why nobody in the NBA picked him up, but he could play for just about anybody!! He had an interest in playing at State, but I guess he who shall not be named wasn’t interested in a dominant low post player.

  9. burnbarn 08/23/2007 at 5:54 PM #

    I agree it is not a stella schedule but there are some left over thingson the schedule from previous years.

    Our potential game w/ KState may get some run depending on other games that day. Let’s hope we at least get to that game.
    I too do not like rythym of the schedule, except the 2nd half of the conference season. I like the way it plays out this season. We all want to blame Lee for this and he deserves some, but I am sure coach had some saying in this schedule as we once bl;amed sendek and lee for the schedule.

    I hate the ECU game too, but we are already seeing an upgraded schedule for NEXT season. Maybe we are not only working on only this year’s schedule. Maybe we are thinking 2-3 seasons ahead.

    This is Sid’s true first schedule so let’s cut him some slack. Let’s hope we win the game we should and maybe win a few we can’t. I do not like the positioning of the road game at holeville… i wish it were a couple weeks later. I hope we do not lose lose at holes and Klem… that would be a very bad way to start.

  10. beowolf 08/23/2007 at 5:56 PM #

    Rabid, we were just talking about players who were dominant in pickup games but still not even ACC talent. Back when I was at State, walk-on Adam Fletcher was one of those dominant pickup-game busters. It really made me respect the level of talent there is in the ACC, because that guy looked so lost in the real games.

  11. RabidWolf 08/23/2007 at 5:58 PM #

    I STILL FEEL LIKE THE ACC/B10 CHALlENGe PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO KILL ME!!! I went to both schools, you could say I bleed christmas (red, green, red, green) my first loyalty is to the Wolfpack, though, so……GO PACK….BEAT MSU!

  12. gopack968 08/23/2007 at 6:00 PM #

    Perhaps the weak OOC schedule is a good thing. It may take several months to overcome the embarrassment of calling our Midnight Madness game, “Ballin’ at the Old Barn.”

    I mean, seriously, did no one in the athletics department notice the possible rude connotation of this moniker? Oh wait, these are the same idiots that scheduled us AT East Carolina… never mind.

  13. milkman 08/23/2007 at 6:16 PM #

    Does anyone know why we don’t play in the Jimmy V Classic every year? Shouldn’t that be our touny to host?

  14. RabidWolf 08/23/2007 at 6:16 PM #

    Actually, it may have been our very own state legislature who scheduled us to play @ EasyU. Remember a few years ago they were whining about none of the other “big” in state schools would schedule them in revenue sports? The NC state legislature threatened some kind of action, did they not? Now we play BOTH FB and BB IN FREAKING GREENVILLE!!! At Dowdy-Ficklen!!! Well, at least all 12 people will have a good time at the game, and then they can all go out cow tippin’!!! 🙂

  15. crackdog 08/23/2007 at 6:22 PM #

    The State legislature thing was a threat from almost ten years ago. We’re playing them now because of more subtle politicking than that particular event.

  16. RabidWolf 08/23/2007 at 6:24 PM #

    I still think the cow tippin’ will happen.

  17. RickJ 08/23/2007 at 6:43 PM #

    “SFN Analysis: Not much stands between K State and the finals, so we will go ahead and anticipate this matchup.”

    Respectfully disagree – I think Villanova has at least as good a chance as K State of advancing.

  18. BJD95 08/23/2007 at 8:06 PM #

    ^ oops, I forgot about ‘Nova. Damned pressure for instant analysis. 🙂

  19. choppack1 08/23/2007 at 9:07 PM #

    Thinking way too far ahead, I was trying to think whether or not this schedule will help us or hurt us when it comes tourney time…not to say that we’ll definitely make it, but just looking at the big picture…At least this schedule has 1 marque game, a game at Seton Hall, and possibly a match up against Kansas State or Nova.

    Those games aren’t bad. We do need a little help on cupcakes.

  20. Dr. BadgerPack 08/23/2007 at 9:16 PM #

    Unless they’ve changed the formula, at least we get the rediculous RPI “bonus” for playing at ECU.

    Note, I’m not arguing the merits of playing them, since it’s already etched in stone I’m hoping to at least find a silver lining.

  21. VaWolf82 08/23/2007 at 9:26 PM #

    I was trying to think whether or not this schedule will help us or hurt us when it comes tourney time

    It will depend on what’s State conference record is. At first glance, this looks like the type of OOC schedule that sends a team with a 9-7 conference record to the NIT. On the other hand, UVa’s RPI and NCAAT seeding from last year show that a high finish in the ACC outweighs an RPI dragged down by a weak schedule.

  22. Dr. BadgerPack 08/23/2007 at 9:35 PM #


    It also looks like the type of the schedule that will make a +0.500 road+neutral record very crucial.

  23. redfred2 08/23/2007 at 10:01 PM #

    And to think, I criticized the way we achieved our unprecedented “FIVE IN A ROW”.

  24. Primewolf 08/23/2007 at 10:18 PM #

    That is one of the worst schedules from a seaon ticket buying alum that I have ever seen. I can’t believe LEE AND crew are asking me to pay $520 per seaon ticket with this type of cupcake home schedule.

    There is not a home game of significance until we play Miami on January 19 for freakin’ sake.

    I am really disappointed we could not line up at least one or two decent home opponents the first 2 months of the season.

    Look at the Nov and Dec home games and then tell me if you want a few of my 4 season tickets which will cost me about $2100 again this year.

  25. EverettBeez 08/23/2007 at 10:34 PM #

    I’ll have to think awhile before I order full court for those games just on regionally. I kicked myself the whole second half of the season last year for not getting it – but I was having a hard time coming out of the previous era’s mindset. I guess the way the schedule is set up I can get full court for half-price, half way through the year. At least there aren’t a bunch of games on fox as well.

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