Remember the 80s – A Golden Era of ACC Basketball

I was chatting with a UNC fan colleague yesterday, who is also a world-class ACC historian (could have a great conversation with SFN commenter noah). He has an extensive game collection, and recently acquired tape of the first State/Carolina matchup in 1984. You may remember that as the year the Wolfpack opened with a repeat upset of again #1 Houston…and it went rapidly downhill from there. The Pack finished 4-10 in ACC play, and IIRC, lost to Florida State in the first round of the NIT. What I did not remember was how very good the ACC was that season. Virginia was the #6 seed (out of EIGHT, remember) in the ACCT, but made the Final Four, losing to Houston in OT. Wake Forest finished at .500 in league play, but made the regional final (also losing to Houston, by a mere 5 points).

One of my fondest wishes is for the ACC to start its own “classic” channel or series, or put out a DVD set with highlights and full games from ACC play in the 1980s. For the Wolfpack fan, this would include the 4OT game against Wake, the 1987 ACCT run, and of course, 1983.

Please share your own memories below (I would love more details on the regional final runs by the Pack in 1985 and 1986), and answer these 1980s ACC trivia questions:

– Name the Wolfpack starting five in the first game against UNC in 1984 (I got 3 correct).
– How many ACC teams qualified for either the NCAAT or NIT in 1985?
– Who was the last ACC team to go winless in league play, and in what year did they do it?
– Three ACC teams made the regional finals in 1985, but all 3 lost to Big East foes. Name the ACC teams and their corresponding Big East opponents.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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151 Responses to Remember the 80s – A Golden Era of ACC Basketball

  1. chris92heel 06/15/2007 at 2:49 PM #

    “Twins and Braves? You know, that was such a DAMN good WS that I couldn’t be upset. I was far more upset the way the Braves choked away the series against Toronto. If they had a good closer instead of the corpse of Jeff Reardon, they would have won that series easily. ”

    It was a great series no doubt, but we would’ve won had lonnie the crackhead not gotten deked out by the Twins’ shortstop when Ronnie Gant hit that double to the wall in the 8th. Dang little leaguers dont even fall for the old “I’ve got the ball in my glove” trick. I agree that 92 was more annoying. Dadgum Ed Sprague. :/

    “Ohhhh, I can imagine. As a State fan, sorry, but that game has all kinds of special joy attached to it for me. I remember watching that game and just WILLING UVa to victory. It was me…I take the credit for it. Right before the big interception and run-back, I was thinking, “okay, just get a sack…force a fumble. Make ‘em put it in the air and pick it off. Just don’t let them call a running play. They CANT run the ball here. They have to throw it.”

    Antwan Harris. had a flashback a few years ago when he was playing with the Patriots – in the AFC title game they blocked a FG and he returned it for a TD.

    That game changed the course of UNC history. If we had won we’d have gotten a bid to the Fiesta Bowl and probably wouldn’t have gotten shut out of the major bowls the next year. Mack very well would’ve stayed, yada

  2. kool k 06/15/2007 at 2:54 PM #

    2003 had so many disapointments: Wake, Ohio St, FSU, Clemson, Maryland…I sometimes forget how great the UVA game was that year…I recall it being a great day for football, back and forth action for about 58 minutes until we ran away with it at the end…after the Sheridan era, I have always had quite the fondness for victories over the Wahoos…and I hate their little pep band that they bring places…and Olden Polynece…and Jeff Lageman…and the Brothers Barber…and Dallas Comegies, I know he went to Depaul, but he was from the same era as Olden and I remember losing to them big time in like 87 when they had Rod Strickland and Comegies, and his name kind of sounds like Polynece…I miss the old Tom Smith Food Lion commercials, but I can’t stand the Tom Smith Ford of Lillington commercials…whenever I watch UFC sober, I start to think that I could do that and I do push ups and sit ups between rounds…I read Personal Fouls every now and then and wonder how Teviin Bins did not become a cross between Tracy McGrady and Shawn Kemp, only with cheezy 80’s power ballads playing during his highlight videos

  3. CaptainCraptacular 06/15/2007 at 2:54 PM #

    *Twins and Braves? You know, that was such a DAMN good WS that I couldn’t be upset.*

    I’m not a Braves fan, but I’m still a bit ticked off, and amazed that Hrbek got away with pulling Gants (was is Gant?) leg off first base for an out. That was a key play IIRC. And whatshisname’s fake at 2nd base to prevent the Braves guy from going to 3rd base, which would have scored him on the next play’s fly ball. Which would have won the series for the Braves in 9 innings. They just handed that one away to the Twins.

  4. noah 06/15/2007 at 2:54 PM #

    You were expecting smart baseball from Lonnie Smith?

    Really?

    …really? 🙂

    Antwan Harris is from Ravenscroft HS, I believe. And I had the same flashback during the same runback. Don’t like Virginia. Don’t like the Pats.

    But I like Antwan Harris.

  5. CaptainCraptacular 06/15/2007 at 2:54 PM #

    *It was a great series no doubt, but we would’ve won had lonnie the crackhead not gotten deked out by the Twins’ shortstop when Ronnie Gant hit that double to the wall in the 8th.*

    Beat me to the reference.

  6. noah 06/15/2007 at 2:56 PM #

    “I read Personal Fouls every now and then and wonder how Teviin Bins did not become a cross between Tracy McGrady and Shawn Kemp, only with cheezy 80’s power ballads playing during his highlight videos”

    ha! 🙂

    Believe it or not, I know a guy who hates (HATES!!!) Valvano because “he ruined Tevin Binns’ career!”

  7. noah 06/15/2007 at 3:03 PM #

    BTW…best part of the 1991 Braves season was Otis Nixon’s catch off Andy Van Slyke during the stretch run. They needed that game so badly and Glavine was pitching a gem.

    But Van Slyke got ahold of what would have given the Bucs the lead. Nixon put one foot on the wall and got his whole elbow over the centerfield wall.

    Unreal.

  8. BJD95 06/15/2007 at 3:05 PM #

    Lonnie Smith REALLY fucked up. Wasn’t his nickname “Skates” for his brutal and stupid outfield play? He usually was a good baserunner, though.

    I haven’t cried about a loss since junior high, but going back that far I did shed tears at the cheap VT Peach Bowl loss (the dive to draw pass interference penalty, kicker shooting us the bird afterwards) and the Murray State loss (I flew out to Omaha that year with my Dad). I was equally pissed with the WC for insisting that we leave and not stay and use our tickets for the 2nd round games. What sore losers!

    I did cry tears of joy when Brett Favre’s 4th down pass was tipped the turf, and John Elway and my beloved Broncos had secured their first Super Bowl title. Pretty sure my wife thought I was certifiably insane.

  9. BillyTheKid 06/15/2007 at 3:05 PM #

    Help me out with Binns. I know he played in 86 and 87, about 3 pts a game. I don’t remember much else. It’s been about 12 years since I read “Personal Fouls”.

  10. kool k 06/15/2007 at 3:14 PM #

    DAMN YOU POPEYE JONES!

  11. chris92heel 06/15/2007 at 3:42 PM #

    “BTW…best part of the 1991 Braves season was Otis Nixon’s catch off Andy Van Slyke during the stretch run. They needed that game so badly and Glavine was pitching a gem.”

    That was a phenom catch. The Fulton Co Stadium wall wasn’t one that people jumped over to bring balls back.

    Otis is one of the uglier men in the history of the world, btw – especially during his jheri curl days. lol

  12. chris92heel 06/15/2007 at 3:46 PM #

    “You were expecting smart baseball from Lonnie Smith?”

    No – but I wasn’t expecting mind numbingly stoopid baseball from him either. Here’s an idea Lonnie – have a look at your 3B coach.

    Dang, I’m getting angry again – LOL.

  13. noah 06/15/2007 at 3:46 PM #

    “Help me out with Binns. I know he played in 86 and 87, about 3 pts a game. I don’t remember much else. It’s been about 12 years since I read “Personal Fouls”.”

    Binns was a 6-10, skinny JUCO forward/center type from Texas. He went to Midland JUCO and put up big numbers. V brought him in and he got a little bit of buzz when he scored 38 points in a red/white game.

    He was fairly athletic, but pretty much a spaz on the court. Not a very good shooter and not instinctive at all.

    In 1987, we played Carolina at Chapel Hill without any of our big men and Binns had to start at center against Scott Williams and JR Reid and Wolf and Popson. He fouled out in about four minutes.

  14. BJD95 06/15/2007 at 3:49 PM #

    I do remember Binns as a fouling machine.

  15. noah 06/15/2007 at 3:55 PM #

    “but I wasn’t expecting mind numbingly stoopid baseball from him either.”

    Why on earth not?? I don’t know if a better package of baseball skills ever got placed inside a dumber, sillier ball of ear wax than Lonnie Smith.

    There’s a reason the 1980 Phillies wanted Greg Luzinski to be their everyday LFer than Smith. Luz hit .228 and ran with all the speed and grace and urgency of a glacier. Smith hit .339 and still couldn’t get regular playing time.

    He was ROY and they traded him for Bo Diaz.

  16. noah 06/15/2007 at 4:01 PM #

    “The Fulton Co Stadium wall wasn’t one that people jumped over to bring balls back.”

    I remember Claudell Washington doing it in 1983 against George Hendrick of the Cardinals. The braves lost the game though, so it wasn’t that big of a deal.

    I remember Dale Murphy doing it and knocking one of the seams loose. His hand got pinched badly in the seam and he had to leave the game. At the time, he had a lengthy consec. game streak going (he and Ripken and Garvey all did). He pinch hit the next night and hit a home run.

    And Puckett did it in that 1991 series as well.

    Ahh…good ol’ Fulton Co. Stadium. The sight of many NC State bowl games. And the place where someone decided to host motorcross the same day as a baseball stadium…leading to quite possibly the WORST infield conditions this side of a game played on gravel.

  17. chris92heel 06/15/2007 at 4:28 PM #

    “Why on earth not?? I don’t know if a better package of baseball skills ever got placed inside a dumber, sillier ball of ear wax than Lonnie Smith. ”

    Thats true. Ruint a great game from Smoltzy too.

  18. noah 06/15/2007 at 4:39 PM #

    Gotta give Blackjack credit though. 10 innings of shutout ball. Dude pitched a helluva game.

    1991 – I’ve made my peace
    1992 – Augh.
    1993 – The PHILLIES?
    1994 – strike – this is the reason McGriff isn’t in the HOF
    1995 – yes!
    1996 – Should’ve been ours…friggin’ Wohlers. Friggin’ Jim Leyritz
    1997 – Stupid fatass umpire and his eight-foot wide strike zone
    1998 – Pads
    1999 – Sweep

  19. chris92heel 06/15/2007 at 4:44 PM #

    Gotta give Blackjack credit though. 10 innings of shutout ball. Dude pitched a helluva game. [True, but smoltzy was actually better]

    1991 – I’ve made my peace [I haven't. Lonnie F'n Smith!]
    1992 – Augh. [We were so the better team]
    1993 – The PHILLIES? [shrug]
    1994 – strike – this is the reason McGriff isn’t in the HOF
    1995 – yes! [yes!]
    1996 – Should’ve been ours…friggin’ Wohlers. Friggin’ Jim Leyritz [IF A PLAYER CANT CATCH UP TO YOUR FASTBALL WHY ARE YOU HELPING HIM OUT BY THROWING HIM AN OFFSPEED PITCH?!!]
    1997 – Stupid fatass umpire and his eight-foot wide strike zone [how about fatass livan?]
    1998 – Pads [one of our true chokejobs]
    1999 – Sweep [embarassing]

  20. TTandB74 06/15/2007 at 5:03 PM #

    Hate to say it, but I’ve forgiven Lonnie. Without him, we don’t get to the postseason, much less the series. And I remember in ’87, when we lost 2,000 games, he hit a bottom of the 9th HR off Sid Fernandez the night he struck out 16 again us.
    I hate Hrbek w/a passion, though. Also Dudley Bradley. We were down 40-19 at the half, if I remember correctly.
    My tears were shed for the 75 ACC semis when DT went out w/a cramp and Phil $%#@%^& Ford and the Heels beat us in his frosh year.
    Was at the VT Peach Bowl cheating game. Drank a lot during and afterwards.
    I don’t think Kirby got over the wall for 1991 WS catch against the Bravos.
    When state tanked in the NCAAs against Norm Sloan and Florida (was that 87 or 89?) I was sad, but happy for Norm. He and his wife were members of my family’s church in Raleigh.

  21. noah 06/15/2007 at 6:49 PM #

    87 was the Norm and Florida tourney game.

  22. redfred2 06/15/2007 at 6:59 PM #

    Don’t have time to read it all right now but Great thread!!!

    “Basically, if you were a top prospect, you were going to college for three years and odds were 50-50 that you’d stay all four.”

    Ah, those were the days!!!

    noah, Thanks for the list of players from back then, brings back some great memories. You mentioned Duane Ferrell, I may be wrong, but I often thought of Ferrell when watching Cam Bennerman play.

  23. chris92heel 06/15/2007 at 7:55 PM #

    Noah, I love Dean, but I’d have to agree with you on MJ. He was a stud even as a frosh. One of the local DC cable stations plays some old ACC games from time to time – I was surprised at how good MJ was as a frosh. The idea that he didn’t have a jumper is a misremembrance IMO – he was pretty good already. no, he didn’t have the range he developed as an NBA player, but he came to UNC with a solid mid range game.

    But he did learn how to play basketball at UNC – people who say he’d have been Dominique without UNC are trippin, but I do credit Dean for the ‘little things’, particularly defense.

  24. chris92heel 06/15/2007 at 7:55 PM #

    ^btw, when I say surprised – I mean my own memories were a little off.

  25. the_phisherman 06/15/2007 at 8:08 PM #

    Reardon – did he have any other pitches besides the curve ball?

    Wasn’t Murphy’s pinch hit home run with stitches in his hand off Gooden?

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