Is Fowler Working the NIT Phones?

With the Senior Day win over Wake Forest, NC State is now assured of no worse than a .500 record when the ACC Regular Season and Tournament is over. Currently, the Wolfpack is 15-13 with at least two games to play, at Maryland to end the season, and a most likely 7/10 match-up in the ACC Tournament in Tampa.

Many assume that an NIT bid is in the hand. But is it? Changes have been made to the NIT postseason tournament since the NCAA took it over in 2006. In summary, these are the changes:

1)You no longer need a .500 or above record to be selected to the NIT tournament. Although please note that no team was selected last year with a sub .500 record.

2)There is a true NIT selection committee, with actual procedures to select the teams. You can read all about the selection process here. These were the committee members last year, and we assume this year as well.

3)Regular Season conference champions are guaranteed a spot in the NIT field. This doesn’t impact Regular Season champions of major conferences like the ACC, Big 10, etc, but it does impact lower level conferences such as the CAA, Southern Conference, etc and could impact lower level teams in major power conferences – teams like NC State. If a Regular Season champion from one of the lower level conferences doesn’t win its conference tournament and secure the automatic NCAA bid, then that team is automatically selected for the NIT. In other words, lower level conference tournament upsets means less spots available in the NIT field for teams like NC State and other power conference teams.

4)The NIT field is no longer 40 teams in size, it is 32 teams.

What does this mean for NC State? It means hopefully Lee Fowler is working the phones, making the case for NC State and Sidney Lowe to receive a NIT bid. What worries SFN is the resume of possibly 3 other ACC teams that are potential NIT field worthy. Miami and Wake are out of contention. UNC, UVA, Va Tech, Duke, Maryland and most likely BC are in the NCAA field. GT, Clemson and FSU are on the NCAA bubble (with Tech being closer to the inside, and Clemson and FSU outside looking in). Most likely ONE of those bubble teams will make the NCAA field, and two will not. Certainly, FSU and Clemson can be considered “opponents” for NC State’s NIT bid. Let’s hope Lee Fowler realizes that and is working the phones, calling those NIT committee members, and making the case for NC State.

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85 Responses to Is Fowler Working the NIT Phones?

  1. WTNY 03/01/2007 at 12:07 PM #

    Trout and O — I understand the reasons and will certainly pull for the Pack if we go. That Coach Lowe would get some postseason experience is a compelling reason I hadn’t considered.

    I guess I am just recalling how desperate we were 10 or 11 years ago to go to the NIT. I don’t feel that desperation and hope that this is a “one step back two steps forward” situation.

  2. BJD95 03/01/2007 at 12:09 PM #

    Hey, a Laddie sighting! Good to hear from you.

    Hopefully we can play up the Atsur injury and the number of high quality wins (UNC, VT*2), as evidence that we are a team that could win this thing.

    I am generally an NIT-skeptic, but this year is different. Not only is it Sid’s first year here, it’s his first year of college coaching PERIOD. He needs the post-season tournament experience.

  3. Rick 03/01/2007 at 12:10 PM #

    “Do I have amnesia or didn’t LF chair the NCAA tourney committee a few years back, me thinks he knows more about how these committee work anyone around here.”

    Yes he is quick to tell everyone how well he knows basketball. It was very evident last spring too.

  4. old13 03/01/2007 at 12:11 PM #

    I cringe to think that we are depending on Foulup to do anything positive for Wolfpack athletics. His major talents seem to be putting NCSU in a bad light nationally and insulting Wolfpack fans and alumni (including me!) over and over and . . .

  5. redfred2 03/01/2007 at 12:36 PM #

    Lee may be good at smoozing the big boys or possibly getting a tournament comittee to give us an extra look, but as far as having a vision that he can translate to the people working directly around and under him, he doesn’t have what it takes. There are bits and pieces of that reality strewn every where you look when you see something (or more likely, don’t see anything) coming out of the AD. Those folk’s burners are all permanently on the medium low setting, and they don’t have anyone to show them how to get to the next level or heat things up in Raleigh when someone is actually paying attention.

    I haven’t looked in a while, but Gopack for instance, they didn’t even have a complete roster with the walk-ons listed a few games back. It’s small stuff like that, but the simple incompetence shows up everywhere.

  6. sautz 03/01/2007 at 12:39 PM #

    I imgine Fowler is too busy setting up intramural badminton games with ECU than worrying about getting into the NIT.
    I kid…

  7. westwolf 03/01/2007 at 12:50 PM #

    Sometimes you don’t recognize just how lackluster and ineffectual someone is until he’s been gone and you compare him to his replacement.

    Six months after he’s gone we’ll all be wondering how we kept him for so long. Well, most of us…

  8. Dr. BadgerPack 03/01/2007 at 1:03 PM #

    Another added benefit of an NIT berth would be the potential for additional national television exposure for the team. So, in addition to the practice/coaching experience there could be a recruiting boost as well.

    I would think additional television exposure at this juncture is extremely importance to changing the perception of the NC State offense nationwide.

  9. TNCSU 03/01/2007 at 1:19 PM #

    Concur DrBadgerPack,
    NIT exposure with a couple of big wins (esp. at the RBC) would be great for recruiting! Speaking of recruiting, did anyone see the PG from FL at the game last night? What’s the latest? Any ideas if we’ve offered him a scholly?

  10. redfred2 03/01/2007 at 1:26 PM #

    Dr B,

    I agree, though I don’t expect any HS basketball players to really understand our plight, or just how far we’ve come in accomplishing an NIT bid this season. I’d love to see it as a reward for all of them, players and coaches alike, but some of the developments I’ve already seen so far have made this season much better than I ever anticipated. A win against the Terps would give us some teeth, followed by a show in the ACCT, but I will not be disappointed in the least, NIT or not.

    The ACCT championship does carry an automatic NCAA bid though. It’s way too early for that, but I don’t know, that old familiar feeling of we belong to be playing ANYWHERE, and with ANYBODY, is not too far down the road.

  11. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 03/01/2007 at 1:47 PM #

    This is all mute when the Pack wins the ACC tournament next week.

    Can anyone tell me why there is a media blackout of the NIT? You can’t find the games on TV and you have to search the newspaper just to find results. Now that the NCAA owns it I’m sure they don’t want any competition to the NCAA tournament but it seems like ABC, NBC or one of the cable networks would give it a shot. I know some games are televised but you have to work to find when and where.

    There is nothing worse than the basketball void after the first four days of the NCAA’s, I can’t imagine people wouldn’t be interested in watching a well promoted NIT.

  12. highonlowe 03/01/2007 at 3:05 PM #

    We need for GT to secure their NCAAT bid by winning their next 2 games.
    Let’s assume they split their remaining games finishing at 7-9 and we lose on Saturday. We’d play them in the 7/10 first round game of the ACCT. Then, theoretically, if we beat them in that game, we knock them out of the NCAAT, they get a bid to the NIT and we get bumped out.

  13. TNCSU 03/01/2007 at 3:15 PM #

    ^^Then, theoretically, if we beat them in that game, we knock them out of the NCAAT, they get a bid to the NIT and we get bumped out.

    If we win our 1st round ACC Tourney game, we’re definitely going to the NIT — no doubt!

  14. highstick 03/01/2007 at 3:15 PM #

    Off topic a bit, but I bought 2 tickets this morning to the Big South Tournament games this afternoon and night. Thought it might be interesting to watch Greg Marshall and Eddie Biedenbach go at it, plus I wanted to see that “huge” player/project that Biedenbach has.

    Total cost for two tickets at the “over 55 rate”- $6. Sure is different from the ACC Tournament!

  15. Girlfriend in a Coma 03/01/2007 at 3:17 PM #

    [quote]

    This is all mute

    [/quote]

    Hilarious! I didn’t know Les posted on here!

  16. redfred2 03/01/2007 at 3:19 PM #

    One more scenario. What if we just plain stomp everybody’s ass and win out, from here on? What then? 😉

  17. highonlowe 03/01/2007 at 3:19 PM #

    If we win our 1st round ACC Tourney game, we’re definitely going to the NIT — no doubt!
    Actually I do doubt it. With an NIT field of 32, it’d be difficult to invite 4 ACC teams.

  18. Pack Laddie 03/01/2007 at 3:21 PM #

    “Total cost for two tickets at the “over 55 rate”- $6.”

    compared to $363 a book for ACC ducats, not including how much you have to contribute to normally qualify to have the opportunity to get them

  19. highonlowe 03/01/2007 at 3:24 PM #

    One more scenario. What if we just plain stomp everybody’s ass and win out, from here on? What then?
    In the stompin’ ass scenario, I’m booking rooms in Atlanta for the last weekend in March.

  20. Dr. BadgerPack 03/01/2007 at 3:27 PM #

    I would think that if Ga. Tech gets bumped out of the NCAAs, the team that scoops up that berth would have been an NIT team. Or, better put, the “bubble tier” can be said to occupy 12-16 of the NCAA/NIT spots.

    State is probably in a lower “tier” of teams vying for NIT bids. Our biggest concern probably isn’t necessarily teams in our conference, it’s smaller (in basketball prestige) conferences where the conference tournament upsets can funnel automatic NIT bids (regular season champs).

    Redfred- What the high school kids will definitely understand is hearing “NBA sets” and “Lowe spent time in the NBA” and those nationally televised NIT games are a great way to convey that message. It is unfortunate, as you said, that these kids won’t completely grasp the significance of this team possibly making the NIT. I wonder how many of them that grew up outside ACC country understand much of NC State tradition at all. We need nationally televised, home games for that purpose– I just hope the camera crews cooperate and aim the cameras up a few times, if ya know what I mean.

  21. Dr. BadgerPack 03/01/2007 at 3:29 PM #

    In the stompin’ ass scenario, it might be best to head to Vegas…

  22. GoldenChain 03/01/2007 at 3:44 PM #

    I agree with 100% with WTNY. We’ve had a decent season, some excitement, some huge wins. Just take it and go. Our 115 RPI probably doesn’t justify getting in anyway.
    Could we put together 4 VATech like games to win the NIT? Doubtful.

    What no one is saying is that the NIT would pair us up with someone we would die if we lost to, for example: Winthrope, High Point, App St, Davidson, Charleson, VA Commonwealth, Hofstra, ODU, ETSU, or Belmont? (now some of those will win their tournaments and go dancing I know).
    And those are just the mid-majors in our area. The odds of getting a 1st round marquee matchup are slim to none.
    The odds of a no-name opponent, a small crowd, and a loss are much higher.

  23. highstick 03/01/2007 at 3:49 PM #

    Winthrop will be in the NCAA’s, not the NIT! Just a “home town” correction for the record!!!

  24. GoldenChain 03/01/2007 at 3:53 PM #

    No offense! I mentioned that some would win their respective tourney’s and go ‘dancing’ from that list. Which leaves some real good teams, especially in the Southern Conference. In fact a case could be made for an at-large for some of the mid-majors. ASU beat some big teams this season.

  25. Cardiff Giant 03/01/2007 at 4:07 PM #

    We need NIT Stan, the old NIT Online Goodwill Ambassador, to fill us in on the workings of the tournament this year.

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