Technician: Something Has To Change

Even the students are starting to get antsy.

“We haven’t beaten anyone this year.”

“It doesn’t matter who we play, we’ll lose anyway.”

“N.C. State is way better than us.”

Before Saturday’s football game, that is all I heard from Virginia fans. Well, Virginia fans, you just beat N.C. State.

Sure, it’s not a huge shocker, but for a team that has losses to East Carolina and Western Michigan — not to mention its one-point overtime victory against Wyoming because of a missed extra point, it’s a game the Cavaliers and their fans weren’t expecting to pull off.

But this type of loss is nothing new for the Wolfpack. The team has defeated Boston College and Florida State, but has lost to Akron, Southern Miss and a trio of ACC opponents.

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23 Responses to Technician: Something Has To Change

  1. NCSUDude17 10/30/2006 at 10:42 AM #

    How about we replace our OOC schedule with a 4 game series with FSU every year…

  2. Mr O 10/30/2006 at 10:42 AM #

    I was at the game and spent about an hour and a half in a parking lot at a UVa tailgate. My dad is a UVa alum.

    UVa early in the year wasn’t good. UVa now is a pretty good team as they should have beaten Maryland two weeks ago.

    I think what State fans just don’t get it is that we aren’t a very good team. We don’t score points. If you don’t score points, then you won’t win many games.

    SFN: I think that State fans complete get that we aren’t a very good team. That is the friggin problem. We aren’t a very good team! How is that supposed to make things better?

  3. Mr O 10/30/2006 at 10:57 AM #

    After pointing out that I was at the game, I mean to include that I didn’t hear any comments like those mentioned in the Technician. UVa fans know they aren’t a great team, but they also know that we aren’t a good team either. Unless all NC State fans are simply delusional, then my guess is that comments from Pack fans at the game sounded the exact same as the quotes from the UVa fans. At least, those comments would have been the same if they were at my tailgate.

  4. PAPacker 10/30/2006 at 11:06 AM #

    The expansion of the stadium, lifetime seating licenses and a host of other antes up raised the stakes regarding State’s program. This whole big endeavor relies on the buy-in of 10s of thousands of State fans. If the administration and the athletic department will not listen to anything else, they will listen to economics. State football is bad partly because the revenue continues to pour in regardless of the quality of product. People in management tend to only make meaningful, positive change inducing moves involving meaningful risk when money is on the line. I would urge State fans to help the administration/Fowler et al realize that support for a badly coached football team is not automatic. As a Carter Finley regular since 1971 when I was 8 years old, I am sick of this clown operation.

  5. choppack1 10/30/2006 at 11:12 AM #

    Well, UVa has improved. After taking some much needed steps forward vs. BC, FSU – and even Wake Forest, we’ve taken 2 huge ones backwards. It’s hard to believe that our offense has gotten even worse since UMD, but it has.

    I’m not going to blame Trestman outright for our problems, because when you want 2 consecutive OCs canned, that doesn’t speak highly about the person who does the hiring. I think it’s a fair question if we wonder whether or not Chuck can recognize a good OC when he sees one.

  6. Mr O 10/30/2006 at 11:34 AM #

    Choppack: Which brings up the question, what do you do if you are Amato as regards to next season? Do you stick with Trestman, allow him to continue working with so many players on offense?? Or do you cut your losses and take a chance on somebody else considering how hard it will be to hire a good OC with your job on the line?

    Tough call either way.

  7. westwolf 10/30/2006 at 12:15 PM #

    ^And this decision is made even more difficult with the backdrop of going through so many co-ordinators in the past seve years.

  8. Pack Laddie 10/30/2006 at 12:26 PM #

    there is a reason the program has been through so many co-ordinators. not hard to figure out what it is.

    SFN: Amen. Amen. Amen. We laid this out over the weekend in this entry:

    Is Amato’s flexibility to make tough decisions regarding Trestman’s job negatively impaired by his bad national reputation with assistant coaches? Trestman is already State’s 4th Offensive Coordinator in just seven years.

    Who could Chuck get that could be better?

  9. ldr of pk 75 10/30/2006 at 12:28 PM #

    I thought there was a saying something like, “Money talks, bullshit walks”? Evidently the money (stockholders in a company, or WPC members here) is satisfied with the return and keep stepping up to the plate. I think the saying is different, “Money and bullshit talks”. CTC must be a dreamweaver cause he has the powers to be mesmerized. Seriously though, it takes more than BS and facilities to be big time and we are so far from big time it’s laughable. At this stage of a season and you have 5,6,7 calls of false start or procedure or holding, you have a major discipline problem and that starts with the guy running the show. The duds we have up front on offense need to sit and let some fresh talent see what they can do. Hell, they can’t be worse. I can’t imagine we have 2 stud running backs and we gain 79 yards rushing? It doesn’t take someone in the coaching profession to see through this crap. It’s basic management, no matter what the industry is. Bullshit walks, Chuck, make some changes or quit spending the scholarship money on inventory you’re not going to use anyway. Or, if that doesn’t work, Mr Fowler do your job.

  10. Mr O 10/30/2006 at 12:30 PM #

    As Laddie and westwolf point, finding someone who MIGHT do a better job than Trestman might be very difficult. IMO, Trestman will likely return. Maybe in his 3rd year with a lot of the same players it will come together.

  11. Sam92 10/30/2006 at 12:35 PM #

    interesting headline for this piece, but I’m afraid that, unfortunately, things don’t have to change. with our athletic department run the way it is (that buck stops with Lee Fowler), we will stick with chuck amato until the fan dissatisfaction is so severe that no other choice is possible. that’s what happened with Herb Sendek and that’s the way it will happen with Amato.

    Lee Fowler believes that he earns points somewhere for repeatedly proclaiming his faith in Amato, and it will take something more than fan/alumni unhappiness to move him to make a decision. (shows you where his priorities are)

    as mentioned in posts above, holding back money is one way to get their attention, but the voices of we on the “lunatic fringe” can also do it if we’re loud enough. it worked with Herb (who, btw, is and always has been a class act, just not the right coach for us).

    an unfortunate footnote to the entire Amato situation — I have no confidence in Lee Fowler’s ability to secure the right next coach when the time comes. unless Mr. Cowher decides that he’s had enough of competing for the superbowl, I don’t have a whole lot of optimism for where we go after Chuck Amato.

  12. Pack Laddie 10/30/2006 at 12:37 PM #

    One of our staff told me when Amato hired Trestman that it was a big mistake. He had gotten a call from a NFL assistant who had worked with Trestman, and asked what Chuck was doing hiring this guy. Said he was a divisive influence on the staff when they worked together, and his reputation around the NFL was not a good one.

    Unfortunately, a lot of people were not taking Chuck’s calls, and he had to take what he could get.

    I am afraid that situation still exists.

    SFN: Thanks for the comments, Laddie. No doubt that situation still exists.

  13. partialqualifier 10/30/2006 at 12:54 PM #

    Mr O,

    Let me answer for Choppack. YOU FIRE TRESTMAN! PERIOD. I know that State has had too much turnover at OC, but too much turnover is only bad when it’s good coaches like Doc Holliday leaving. Losing Buddy Green & Noel Mazzone was not a bad thing. Furthermore after seeing what Trestman cannot do as OC, if Amato brings him back next year I am afraid that we will see apathy set in with the fans. I’m talking 35,000 pepple in Carter-Finley…and most of them there just to Boo! There is now way that any reasonable minded fan could sit through another year of this torture…and that is exactly what watching Trestman’s offense is….TORTURE! You gotta fire Trestman just give people like me one more reason to believe…even if it may be belief in vain. At least the hope of a decent offense with the rest of the good things on our team will keep me around one more year hoping for the best. But if Trestman comes back…I will have no hope at all….no reason whatsoever to believe that next year would be any different from his first 2 sickening campaigns.

    I would like to add that I was at the game as well and sitting amongst many UVa fans who were complimenting the Pack before the game and wondering how in the world their team would have a chance against a team that had beaten BC & FSU (obviously they had not seen the Wake, Maryland, So. Miss, or Akron games…LOL). With 6:00 left in the game those same people were asking me how in the world we beat ANYBODY with that offense. I just think it’s cool to hear what other people say about us. It is funny…their comments are kind of a good way to look at State under Amato….A lot of hype until you actually see the product in person.

    One more thing. Isnt it funny how we sit and wonder “how in the world can we LOSE to Wake, Maryland, & UVA?” ….while other fans are asking “how in the world did we BEAT anybody at all?” If it wasnt so sad it would be funny.

  14. RAWFS 10/30/2006 at 2:01 PM #

    “Unfortunately, a lot of people were not taking Chuck’s calls, and he had to take what he could get.”

    Laddie, I’m still shaking my head at that one.

    Why do you think that certain quarters are turning a blind eye to this? I’m not talking about Fowler or Oblinger — but instead Mr. Murphy, and the rest of those fellows. It boggles the mind.

  15. class of 74 10/30/2006 at 2:27 PM #

    ^ Do they think if they ignore the problem it will somehow get better?

  16. Pack Laddie 10/30/2006 at 2:44 PM #

    RAWFS—I am not so sure they are turning a blind eye.

  17. BJD95 10/30/2006 at 2:51 PM #

    I will repeat my comments for the other thread, as they seem more appropriate here:


    My only fear is using Trestman as a scapegoat. We all know that – other than the ONE year of Norm Chow – Chuck Amato has been very “hands onâ€? with respect to his assitants. So, even beyond the “CEO model of accountabilityâ€? that I subscribe to, there is ample reason to pin much of this on Amato. And I don’t want to do anything to reset Amato’s clock, where expectations are lowered next year b/c it’s the first season with a new coordinator.

    IMHO, the only rationales for retaining Amato are (i) Cowher wants to come, but only after a year off (see last week’s discussion); or (ii) we get to see if there is a “great leap forward� in the third season with the same coordinators.


    Just thinking out loud here – is the perfect microcosm for the present staff quandary the way Chuck Amato treated Joe Pate?

  18. RAWFS 10/30/2006 at 3:21 PM #

    Laddie, that’s good news, damned good news. Those fellows didn’t get to where they are by missing a whole lot. Sometimes I forget that just because they don’t say anything doesn’t mean that they aren’t planning on doing something.

  19. GoldenChain 10/30/2006 at 3:38 PM #

    Dear O, the problem is obvious. UVa is the one public school that actually thinks they are better than unx.

  20. Cardiff Giant 10/30/2006 at 5:39 PM #

    “My only fear is using Trestman as a scapegoat.”

    Spot on. This team doesn’t suck because of Mark Trestman. This team sucks because it is unorganized, undiscipline, unschooled, and largely unmotivated – and is heading, after two years of poor recruiting, toward “untalented” as well.

    Blame for that situation lies SQUARELY with Chuck Amato. Trestman is only a symptom of the disease, not a cause of it.

  21. Woof Wolf 10/30/2006 at 7:31 PM #


  22. brown pelican 10/31/2006 at 12:15 AM #

    cardiff—you’re right on with the unorganized, undisciplined and unschooled comments—we’re not getting the most out of what we have—and—therein lies the frustration—a good year with de at the qb and all the other young talent at the skill positions?—probably 7-4 if you consider the defensive potential as well—alas—as we struggle home with 3, 4, or 5 wins we’ll have to conclude that an underachieving team is squarely the result of a substandard job by the hfc


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