Stats From Saturday NC State Scrimmage: Stone 8 of 18, 121 yards, 2 INT’s

For the second straight week Marcus Stone has put up very soft numbers in a pre-season scrimmage. Every summer you hope the player who didn’t perform at a high level last year has developed into a completely changed player. Lets hope we run the ball a lot this season.

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40 Responses to Stats From Saturday NC State Scrimmage: Stone 8 of 18, 121 yards, 2 INT’s

  1. Micky McCarthy 08/20/2006 at 2:26 PM #

    I agree. It concerns me that some (Amato included) shrug off his two interceptions, saying that “one of them was tipped.”

    Well, the last time I checked, a tipped interception is, in fact, an interception.

  2. DixieBoy 08/20/2006 at 2:45 PM #

    I must admit this is alarming. The press and coaches always told us about how much Davis had improved and we all know how that worked out. They tend to say the same about Stone but these numbers show no improvement. Especially granted this is a defense that he has already been lined up against for a couple of weeks now! What is gonna happen with a new opponent?
    Stone has to step it up because we can not line up against teams this year and expect to run it down their throats. Way to predicatable and that will get us another mediocre year!

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  3. NCSUDude17 08/20/2006 at 2:57 PM #

    Those stats are mostly made up, Amato stopped using real stats after Philip Rivers’ first season. I have a friend who works on “the inside” and that is what he told me. Amato likes being under the radar so they put out modest stats so his team can keep a low profile.

  4. thebigwood 08/20/2006 at 3:05 PM #

    ^is that true?

  5. old13 08/20/2006 at 3:47 PM #

    FWIW in this case “tipped” meant that it bounced off the receiver’s chest and into the D’s hands. That, in my book, is not on the QB.

  6. Delete-Me 08/20/2006 at 4:17 PM #

    Let’s wait until 9/2 before we piss, moan, and jump ship. We have no idea what the receivers are doing, and the bouncing off a receiver’s hands and chest statement I’ve read twice now.

    If he sucks on 9/2 and we lose the game, then we can discuss, but until then it is only speculation.

  7. Astral Rain 08/20/2006 at 5:10 PM #

    2 picks is 2 picks, whether it’s the QB or WR’s fault. That being said, if the stats are false, what do we know?

  8. NCSUDude17 08/20/2006 at 5:33 PM #

    yes wood, he released Phil’s first stats, which were very good and everybody took notice. So they release stats that are MOSTLY made up so that they can fly under everybody’s radar.

  9. VladsCross 08/20/2006 at 7:28 PM #

    From all sources I’ve spoken with, the enemy is gonna stack the line of scrimmage until we have a quaterback prove that he is worth the attention. Hey, while I’ve got your attention. My ticket source for the App. State game fell through. I just need one seat…can any of you folks help a guy out?

  10. Mr O 08/20/2006 at 9:02 PM #

    Didn’t the 1st team WRs not play in the scrimmage?

    He did lack some accuracy, but his yards per completion was pretty good even without our best WRs.

  11. redfred2 08/20/2006 at 10:25 PM #

    ^The pattern and timing of any receiver is just an important as a proper throw, as evidenced on the playing field early in any season. Passes bounching off the second stringers chests and ending up as interceptions shouldn’t too disturbing to anyone right now.

    Stone has an impressive winning streak thanks in part to major adjustments to the offensive scheme.

    The backfield is stronger, maybe Amato and staff have found ways to further refine those adjustments for this upcoming season? Maybe Stone is a gameday player? Maybe Amato is just protecting his quarterback by keeping things low key until the season starts? Maybe Amato is sand bagging for a reason this time?


  12. class of 74 08/21/2006 at 6:37 AM #

    Why this would surprise anyone that has seen our QB’s from the past two seasons is beyond me. Face it, we are very weak at the most important position on the field. In time maybe Burke, Beck or Wilson can change this.

  13. vtpackfan 08/21/2006 at 7:43 AM #

    Don’t we hope that the opponnets stack up near the line of scrimmage? We have terriffic running backs so we are going to showcase them more often then not. I’m no offensive guru, but when the west coast offense is running efficiently and effectively than a defense that crowds the line of scrimmage will expose possible miss matchs as Stone is under center. Win, lose or draw I want to see if this Tresselman guy can be effective. If opponets think our passing game is leather helmet, forward lateral quality (from [mis]information leaked from a scrimmage) then we all will good a good look at what Tresselman is capable of.

  14. choppack1 08/21/2006 at 8:04 AM #

    Class of 74 – If we are weak at the QB position again, it will not say as much about the players as it will the coaching.

  15. RAWFS 08/21/2006 at 9:17 AM #

    Let’s just hope that if Stone has problems that Amato will not stubbornly stay with him and cost us games. If the kid cannot get it done, give someone else a shot. It’s very simple — the offense MUST contribute this year. It has too much talent to not score at least 24 points a game against most teams.

    As far as the coaching goes, Stone and Davis were not very good before Trestman came. Let’s see how he does with Burke.

  16. packbackr04 08/21/2006 at 9:39 AM #

    i just hope we can limit the number of timeswe use that BS swing pass. I understand its importance if it is utilized properly and not used on every other passing play, but sheesh! Cant stone run an option? has that been looked into by our coaching staff, he is big and semi-mobile, seems like it would be worht a shot.

  17. choppack1 08/21/2006 at 10:24 AM #

    RAWFS – I’d just use Auburn’s situation in comparison. They were initially Mazzoned, then a new OC came in and w/in 2 years they were competing for a national championship. It shouldn’t take 3 years to implement a system.

  18. RAWFS 08/21/2006 at 10:44 AM #

    Chop, I am just not convinced that Stone is all that…

    As for the option, except for what Urban Meyer does with it, it seems like it is becoming a relic of the past. D players are faster and smarter than ever. Sure, Wake uses a flavor of it, but look at their overall record.

    Give me a Pro-Set or the I and its variants. Power football in the running game and plenty enough misdirection. Play action keeps D’s honest.

  19. choppack1 08/21/2006 at 10:52 AM #

    Take this for what it’s worth. What I’ve heard is that our offense is too complicated for the average bear – that it’s still not in line w/ a typical college offense. Maybe that’s just a negative assessment – hopefully, that assessment is just overly negative.

  20. cfpack03 08/21/2006 at 10:56 AM #

    from what I understand, that “BS swing pass” is to WC offense what the HB draw is to smashmouth offense (think Cowher). Great post at RAWFS on the west coast offense, very insightful, good stuff.
    Also, I’m been trying to set up an account there for a month but keep getting the same error. Not sure whats happening… you guys aware for this at rawfs?

  21. cfpack03 08/21/2006 at 11:00 AM #

    ^ sorry for posting this here, but theres not support box at rawfs to direct this issue. Delete if desired.

  22. choppack1 08/21/2006 at 11:17 AM #

    “Give me a Pro-Set or the I and its variants. Power football in the running game and plenty enough misdirection. Play action keeps D’s honest.”

    That’s not really the NC State offense that Amato wanted to play when he came here. (We were actually much closer to the pro-set under the previous regime w/ the option package mixed in.)

    He envisioned us Chucking the ball around a lot, lots of trick plays and multiple formations. Personally, I loved the offenses I saw here 2 of Chuck’s first 3 years. I wonder how much of what we saw had to do w/ having perhaps the greatest OC the college game has ever known here for a year.

  23. packbackr04 08/21/2006 at 11:40 AM #

    cfpack^ so where you happy with the productivity of the mazzone patended swing pass that he used 20 times a game? I just think there are better ways to get the ball into the hands of your playmakers. And i think that play can and does work, it worked alot in amatos first few years when he would run 2-3 guys out to the one side, kind of like a super set…. take a quick drop and hit one of the guys out to the side, and he allready had blockers out there. I thought that worked really well, i guess i just think mazzone used it oo much.

  24. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 08/21/2006 at 12:19 PM #

    The man is 5-1 as a starter lets wait till he loses before we start complaining about him. He may very well be 8-1 as a starter going into week 4 this year. Is there another QB in State’s history that is 8-1 in there first 9 starts? I doubt it.

    Some QB’s win games some prevent the team from not winning. I think Stone is more of the latter but lets chill on the complaints from summer scrimage games. One thing we can all be happy about is that Jay Davis isn’t around.

  25. BJD95 08/21/2006 at 12:36 PM #

    Colin Cowherd was talking to Todd Blackledge this morning on ESPN Radio (topic was the poor scrimmage performance of USC’s QB Booty), and I picked up an interesting tidbit. Blackledge noted that it was often EASIER to perform under game conditions than in a scrimmage, b/c the field “opens up,” the defense is wearing distinct, different uniforms, the energy level is different, etc. I agree with Cowherd in saying that I hadn’t thought of that angle before. Thus, I will reserve judgment…for now.

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