Ending With a Most Pathetic Whimper

From BJD:
In its regular season finale, with a full week to prepare, NC State played about as poorly as possible, and continued its 3 game losing streak. The Wolfpack could get no closer than 7 in the last 10 minutes, despite ice cold shooting from Justin Gray (which every Wolfpacker not named Atsur or Grant matched, and then some). Wake still looked sloppy and uneven (especially with its ballhandling), but a State loss was simply not to be denied today.

Side note – Gmisnki and Brando backed up the Billy Packer meme, declaring that Big Ced needed to get more touches down low. As the clock wound down, Ced started to get more touches, but he didn’t finish either. However, he did at least nail a bunch of free throws.

In what hopefully will not engender significant reverse karma from 2005’s infamous “CP3 nut punch” – a frustrated Tony Bethel lost his cool and threw an elbow at Justin Gray, with the outcome decided. Clearly, there was no malice or pre-meditation, but still quite uncalled for. Especially when it’s about an even-money bet that you will face this same Deacons squad in the ACCT quarters (no, I’m not a big believer in either FSU or Miami). Wake has had a putrid year, but has some athletes. The last thing you want to do to a team like that is provide them with a rallying cry (ask last year’s Deacon squad about that). As I noted way back in November, this Wake team isn’t good. But if they give us their very best shot, or if State continues it’s general post-Cameron sleepwalking – you could very well see an ACCT Friday exit and the Wolfpack in the dreaded ejector seat (8/9 seed) come Selection Sunday.

From Jeff:
NC State lost to Wake Forest, the LAST PLACE place team in the Atlantic Coast Conference, today Check that. The Wolfpack didn’t just lose…State NEVER LED in a game against a Demon Deacon team that had won only two ACC games prior to today. Then came NC State.

State has now lost three in a row heading into the ACC Tournament.

Tim Brando
I found Tim Brando’s announcing to be insufferable today. I usually quasi-enjoy Brando’s calls, but today he sounded like one of the biggest rationalizing whiny-pants in the world. It seemed to be a non-stop Sendek-esque brigade that would have made Stormin Normin roll over in his grave. I couldn’t keep up with Brando in between some of his craziness, particularly how it isn’t a bad thing for State to be a 6 or a 7 or 8 seed in the NCAA as opposed to a 2 or 3 or a 4 for some odd reason that I still can’t understand.

Big Four
Another game against a Big Four opponent. Another loss.

Is there really a surprise in this? Jeez. There shouldn’t be.

In TEN YEARS of coaching at NC State, Herb Sendek is now an atrocious 17-52 (24.6%) vs Big Four opponents. In this season, one that many of Sendek’s strongest supporters have touted as his best team of his tenure, Sendek is 1-4 vs the Big Four. Sadly, these folks are probably correct – it is one of Sendek’s best teams; doubly sadly, these folks see nothing wrong with the record despite having three seniors (2 senior guards) and a future NBA post player on the roster.

HSSS Irony
I can’t help but snicker at the irony of this loss when I think of the Herb Sendek Sunshine Squad. All season the Sendek Pride Message Boards have been taking snipes and criticizing Wake Forest Head Coach, Skip Prosser. Oh how I wish I would have saved some of those “insightful” criticisms of Prosser for right now. For the record, Prosser took over a program that had stagnated to the point where the previous coach (Dave Odom) was pushed out of Winston-Salem. For the record, Skip Prosser is 7-3 vs Herb Sendek in the regular season and 7-5 vs Sendek overall.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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39 Responses to Ending With a Most Pathetic Whimper

  1. Jeff 03/05/2006 at 12:13 AM #

    Wow. Wow. Wow.

  2. william 03/05/2006 at 12:24 AM #

    Wake Forest is a very talented team and they were playing at home. NCSU cannot expect to win them all. In some ways, NCSU was very fortunate to win the first game against Wake. Overall, NCSU has had a pretty good year compared to Wake.

  3. Jeff 03/05/2006 at 12:27 AM #

    “Very talented”…to the tune of 2-13 in the ACC in games played against teams not named NC State.

  4. packbackers 03/05/2006 at 1:16 AM #

    2-12 you mean, we did beat them once

  5. classof63 03/05/2006 at 1:22 AM #

    what would you think having dave thompson as state cocach friendly play at the top level belive he recruitand get the most out the team a good effort is it will take i think our fans will support a new coach i think sendek is probablya fine gentleman

  6. WufPacker 03/05/2006 at 4:20 AM #

    ^Wow…looks like RoboHeel got loose.

    I don’t know why so many folks are surprised by this “collapse” to close the regular season. As our competition has become tougher our results have taken a nosedive. This is pretty much true of every season under Sendek.

    Teams figure out how to defend us (which doesn’t really take a lot of figuring out) and we are so one dimensional that we can (or WON’T) adjust. There is no reason for this team to be as one dimensional as it is. There is too much talent and athleticism available on this roster (and size too) for this team to live and die by the 3 pt. shot EVERY FREAKING NIGHT!!! There is no excuse for that, and it is due to poor coaching, plain and simple.

    In all seriousness, should we really be surprised by how this season has unfolded here at the end? Really?

  7. BJD95 03/05/2006 at 8:45 AM #

    All – no need to taunt posters about their past/remaining Sendek support. I think diversity of viewpoint is good for the site. It’s certainloy very interesting to see the seeds of doubt planted even in the strongest of supporters.

    PACDADDY is also right in that this team COULD still make a run. It’s just increasingly unlikely. I still like these players, and how they played in late December/early January. One can never totally rule out Sendek having a “come to Jesus moment” with himself before the tourneys (remember the “Prague spring” of sorts in 2002 when he turned Powell loose in the ACCT and the Pack played with reckless abandon – of course, to be inexplicably reined back in for the NCAAT). But given Sendek’s track record of stubbornness, it’s hard to really EXPECT it to happen.

    So, rather than get ahead of myself, I will note my big picture view, which has remained unchanged since the UNC debacle: Win the ACCT or make the Elite Eight, and the season is salvaged. Otherwise, it’s yet another offseason of much discontent. I know which option I consider much more likely – but then again, I felt the same way about the marker I threw down last season.

  8. Fish 03/05/2006 at 9:05 AM #

    A quick snap of NCSU sports:

    NCSU Football-SUCKS-Amato has made himself bigger than the program

    NCSU Basketball – Pathetic – Basketball passed Yow back in the early 1990s. Her teams can never shoot and run a grind it offense that is archaic. SenDICK is absolutely awful. Need I say more.

    NCSU Baseball – Fakers – Feed on the bottomfeeders, never sweep any ACC Team and always get either swept or take one against the Top 4 in the conference. Avent such a dimunitive man.

    We, supporters, are all just pawns giving up hard earned money to an athletic department that plain sucks and is one pot of S%*t that occaissonally gets mixed and stirred keeping it from going pure rank.

  9. RedFred 03/05/2006 at 12:28 PM #

    HERB 3 + 3 + 3 = 10
    According to all the media Herb is supposedly a intelligent man, did he ever study any math. If the opposition is up by 10 with 3 minutes left and they are using the clock, when we just walk the ball across the time line and use over 30 seconds on each possession as seems to be a total necessity for a Herb Sendek coached team, we really don’t have a chance to win anyway. Barring turnovers, with three minutes left in any game, you are only guaranteed 3 possessions. 100% from three point land, that would be nine points. Less posessions, less opportunities Herbie Boy.
    Who cares if they make a run in the ACC or NCAA tournaments, which they’re won’t. I have nothing against the players and it’s not their
    W-L record, its watching them play so programmed and without any urgency that makes me sick.

  10. Astral Rain 03/05/2006 at 9:06 PM #

    I wouldn’t criticize the baseball team too much- they were one game away from CWS 2-3 yrs ago…

    As for the basketball team- I’ve tried to give Sendek a ton of passes, probably more then most of you guys- but I believe it is harder to build a CB dynasty today then it was during Valvano’s era, or Norm Sloan (who I hold in higher regard)

    However, he is stubborn- and this team is paying the price. I almost wish the team would mutiny and play the best way, not the “right way”. Isn’t there a certain NBA coach in New York getting heat for that right now? If Sendek won’t change, the university has to. Sendek may be a great mid-major coach, but I don’t think he’s anything above decent as a major conf coach…

    I’ll admit, last year when they were down by 20 to Charlotte- they showed some urgency, and it worked. Hopefully this happens, but this team is lost- and it’s showing. It’s a shame cause they had the talent to be a top-10 team this year.

  11. Tom'93 03/05/2006 at 10:08 PM #

    “There is too much talent and athleticism available on this roster…” This team looks like they are playing in slow motion compared to Duke and UNC. When they do move the ball up the court fast they usually throw it out of bounds or miss the pass. Against Wake, Engin had 5 on 1 fast break and tried to take it to the rim himself and got rejected. This team is not very athletic and only mildly talented.

  12. Gumbydammit 03/05/2006 at 11:14 PM #

    Two words: Fire Herb.

  13. class of '74 03/06/2006 at 7:17 AM #

    How many more years must we suffer through this? Those of you who mentioned the LTR’s as the lifeblood of this inertia are correct. This program is all about the money and right now they are flush with it. As long as that’s the case we will not see any changes for the better and that you may count on!

  14. scott 03/06/2006 at 9:46 AM #

    As I’ve said before on this site, the biggest problem is not Herb but all those State folks & Fowler who blindly support him. I think the fund-raising slogan “Pack Pride” is curious since there’s apparently not much of it. I’ll still pay for my LTR’s in hopes there’s a change someday, but I’m through buying season b-ball tickets as long as Herb’s around. I’ve seen enough!

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