Mel Kiper, Jr. on NC State

Once more, while out driving and listening to XM radio (around 8:50 last night, bringing home Chinese food), I heard a major national figure unexpectedly talk NC State football. Draft guru (and generally astute football analyst) Mel Kiper, Jr. said 2 interesting things:

1) Chuck Amato deserves “another year” to see what he can do with Andre Brown and a better QB situation. Although I need to see a win against BC and/or Maryland before I agree with that statement, I still like the comment. For one, it contains none of the condescending “You’re just poor little NC State – what right do you have to expect more than occasional upsets and minor bowl games?” attitude that we so often get in the media. Mel’s comment necessarily implies that it’s reasonable for Amato to be feeling some heat, and that he doesn’t have or deserve indefinite license, but rather, one more year.

2) Andre Brown could be a legitimate Heisman candidate down the road, with his combination of size, speed, and explosiveness. Now, ordinarily I’d take that with a grain of salt, but not coming from Kiper. He’s seen and graded lots of football talent, and calls them like he sees them. Nobody’s perfect, but his track record is pretty damned good.

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21 Responses to Mel Kiper, Jr. on NC State

  1. Trout 11/09/2005 at 3:24 PM #

    Did Kiper mention Brown as a future Heisman candidate?

  2. BJD95 11/09/2005 at 3:56 PM #

    ^ yes. I had honestly not even thought of that.

  3. Class of '74 11/09/2005 at 4:09 PM #

    It’s a forgone conclusion Chuck will receive another year beyond this season.
    We would have to lose the remaining games with the team quitting on Chuck for that to change. I don’t think that is likely.

  4. Mr. O 11/09/2005 at 4:48 PM #

    Our chances for next season don’t seem to be very good IMO. We lose McCargo(though I feel better about that with the play of Tank and Demario this past Saturday), Lawson, M Williams most likely, Hoyte, and Hudson.

    Is AJ a senior?

    Except for Hoyte, who has a chance also, the other guys will probably all be in the NFL after losing L. Reid, D. Edwards, P. Thomas, and A. Maddox all to the NFL last year.

    If Amato can win out and finish 8-4, then I don’t think there is that much pressure on him next year. Losing to BC and Maryland would put a lot of pressure on him.
    Who do we lose on offense?

  5. newswolf 11/09/2005 at 5:20 PM #

    Don’t we lose T. Hall this year? herndon, hicks?

  6. Mr. O 11/09/2005 at 6:07 PM #

    Jay Davis 2-Jun 220 Quarterback RS SR
    Russ Dubisky 1-Jun 200 Quarterback RS SR
    Tramain Hall 10-May 194 Halfback/ RS SR
    Dwayne Herndon 3-Jun 296 Offensive Guard RS SR
    Sterling Hicks 2-Jun 195 Wide Receiver RS SR
    Marcus Hudson 2-Jun 200 Cornerback RS SR
    J. J. Jones Jun-00 189 Free Safety RS SR
    John McKeon 5-Jun 307 Offensive Guard RS SR
    Renaldo Moses 5-Jun 222 Defensive End RS SR
    Fred Span Jun-00 190 Wide Receiver RS SR
    Chris Young 11-May 184 Holder RS SR
    Oliver Hoyte 3-Jun 247 Linebacker SR
    Tucker King 1-Jun 203 Kicker SR
    Manny Lawson 6-Jun 245 Defensive End SR
    T.J. Williams 3-Jun 253 Tight End SR

    McCargo and AJ Davis are only juniors. What was the deal with McCargo’s injury?

  7. Mr. O 11/09/2005 at 6:08 PM #

    Here are a few I missed:

    Brian Clark 2-Jun 211 Wide Receiver SR
    Chauncey Graham 10-May 222 Fullback SR
    Marcus Howell 2-Jun 223 Linebacker SR

  8. TVP 11/09/2005 at 6:36 PM #

    Possible starting lineup for next year:




    WR (thinnest position on the team-I’d move Washington and/or Blackman out here)

    DT (strongest position on team)

    DE (big question mark – would be great if Mario stayed or Brooks came back)



    With a weak OOC schedule and no VT or Miami, no excuse not to go 8-4 at least.

  9. Mr. O 11/09/2005 at 7:00 PM #

    Could we lose D. Morris to the NFL?

  10. BJD95 11/09/2005 at 7:00 PM #

    Plus, in Year Seven, I really don’t care what the makeup of the roster is. It’s all Amato’s responsibility. He hasn’t won enough in Years 4-6 (even if he wins out, it’s another mediocre 4-4 ACC mark), so he has to in Year Seven. Period.

  11. smile 11/09/2005 at 7:10 PM #

    “Andre Brown could be a legitimate Heisman candidate down the road, with his combination of size, speed, and explosiveness. ” Oh, puleeeese. The kid has played 2 games and this guy is saying he’ll be among the best in the nation? These are the talking heads types that said Amato would make State a national contender. They don’t know the future, and little about the present, but we continue to listen. Kinda like stock market prognosticators; often wrong, never indoubt.

  12. Mr. O 11/09/2005 at 7:25 PM #

    BJD95: 7-4 and a bowl win gets us in the top 25 at the end of the season. We are still a long ways from that, but I can’t see Amato’s job being in jeopardy with that kind of season unless he really tanked it next year. If he doesn’t win out, then I agree there will definitely be pressure on him next year.

    In reality, 7 or 8 wins a season might keep Amato at NC State for a very long time. I realize you will disagree with that, but I am just speaking in terms of how our administration and top donors have handled other programs at NC State.

  13. Alpha Wolf 11/09/2005 at 8:39 PM #

    There were folks from the Greenville area that predicted Brown would do exactly this. Other people who saw Brown in prep school said the same thing.

    The kid has the physical attributes, and Smile, if you don’t think he’s for real, your not watching very closely. He’s not just having good runs, he’s busting through, around and OVER people. People from FSU, and that defense is one of the best that there is.

    If Brown can have a decent line in front of him, and enough of a threat from the receivers and QB to force the opposition to play him honest he is *finally* the second coming of TED Brown.

  14. lumberpack 11/09/2005 at 9:28 PM #

    I agree Alpha, finally the second comming of Ted

  15. Class of '74 11/10/2005 at 6:45 AM #

    Still the puzzling thing is how can Brown be this good and yet not see the field before So. Miss. And remember he would not have seen it even then if not for Baker’s fumble. IMO, all of our backs are above average and may be great, but don’t you think the way the early part of the season was going you would’ve given all 5 of those guys a good look in the games?
    It gets back to a staff that seems slow to change: lineup, strategy (pregame and during game). The season may be salvaged at 7-4 but this staff deserves to be held accountable for its poor performance.

  16. SaccoV 11/10/2005 at 6:50 AM #

    Smile, this is why we use the word “candidate.” Philip Rivers was a “candidate” for the Heisman but no one was that surprised he didn’t win nor did he get to attend. Also, I distinctly see the word “could” in Kiper’s statement as well. Everyone remembers the Ron Paulus debacle at the hands of Beano Cook so many years ago. The point is, that with his skills he COULD or MIGHT BE or POSSIBLY MIGHT be a candidate for the Heisman Trophy. No one has given him that award yet. And subsequently, if Brown is the second coming of Ted Brown, could someone do the genealogy and find out for sure there’s no connection between these two? I find it odd that the running styles and last names are too analogous to be coincidental.

  17. Jeff 11/10/2005 at 9:08 AM #

    As much as I struggle with Andre NOT seeing the field previously…I have to default to thinking that the coaches knew what they were doing based on intangibles like blocking, understanding the offense, etc. Don’t forget how long that it took for Ted Brown to see the field in his Fr year.

    IMHO, Chuck needs a strong finish this year (8-4) to keep me energized about the football program. Stone’s limited abiity @ QB says to me that we could easily be starting a new QB next year against a difficult ACC schedule. That doesn’t bode well for anything better than 5-6 / 6-5 next season.

    I need to see us CONSISTENTLY meet some potential to keep me energized…and I feel like most normal fans probably feel the same way.

  18. Mike 11/10/2005 at 12:06 PM #

    Agreed with Jeff, practice shows a lot of things to give someone else the edge over Brown. Brown did get some reps early, but a 15 yd PF penalty and a fumble cost him early. Baker is not a dog either, and will be very good. Brown was a top-5 in the country back two years ago who ended up at prep school, who thankfully honored his commitment because eveery big time running school wanted AB. Baker was also a big coup, and in this day and age, we must have quality. Moss at Miami is out for year, never know when the pounding and hits take the toll, knees can go at any time. Blackman seems to be an open field runner, hence his ability as a recevier and kick returner shows, but might not be as good finding the holes or pounding inside. Blackman is still a talented ballplayer. Blackman started the season at tailback becasue of his ability to catch the ball (need a good back to catch all those 2 yard west coast passes, especially on 3rd and 7), but also probably becasue if his blocking, picking up the blitz etc and his experience of being here for a year.

    There is a reason we practice. The coaches have to go on what they see in practice, and there is a long line of guys in the Hall of Fame who were not great practice players, but did something else on the field. There have also been great practice players who could not handle the speed or pressure on the field. We don’t watch practice – AB may be a bad pratice player but shows up for games. Maybe it took him some time to get into the groove and “learn” how to practice. For a kid of his talents, he never had to “practice” in HS; talent alone would make him head and sholders above the others. Even at Duck College in Durham, Coach K gets top talent and we all wonder why kid A or kid B is riding the pine. K will always say he has to learn to practice first. Even Herb says the same thing.

    We have several very good running backs but we cannot, must not, load them with Heisman expectations, or even the next Ted Brown. I remember 4 years ago at this time, a dude named Turnover Anytime McLendon was going to be a Heisman hopeful and where did he end up? I am thankful we have Brown, Baker, Blackman as well as Davis and Washington. We can point the finger for a lot of reasons on the coaches, but I don’t think we can blame them for AB just now getting in. The race was wide open – only had practice to use as a gauge THEN. NOW we have practice and game action to gauge all these talented runners. Baker looked good given the chance. Brown also looks good now that he has been given the chance. Count our blessings, we may have to run the ball even more. As much as Stone likes to tuck and run, lets bring back the wishbone. Davis at FB to block, option for either Brown or Baker to run it. That would be impressive.

  19. Class of '74 11/10/2005 at 2:17 PM #

    Put yourself in a Coach’s position. You’ve got a team not getting it done on offense and you see 5 stud backs on the sidelines. Wouldn’t it cross your mind to see what each could do?

  20. Sacco 11/10/2005 at 8:56 PM #

    ^agree with Class. How much of fumbling or bad quarterback play would you have to watch until you changed your philosophy and decided to run the ball more aggressively and play-action pass? Regarding practice, I agree that sometimes the players don’t give it their all in practice and should be reprimanded for it. However, getting an “NFL” coordinator to implement a “complicated” offense for a shaky quarterback when you have five sets of good legs on the sidelines doesn’t make much sense, and it reiterates my problem with West Coast offense. My two best examples of West Coast impotence are NC State and Nebraska, both of which ator near the bottoms of their conferences in total offense. Run to establish the pass. It’s not that difficult.

  21. Class of '74 11/11/2005 at 7:34 AM #

    If you look at the history of college football, with a very few exceptions, you must be able to run the ball to have long term success. A balanced attack is the most lethal attack. We just seemed lost to this concept in the first six games. I just can’t fathom how our staff didn’t see this in preseason. I mean my god, our 1st team defense had to show the weaknesses of the offense somewhere?

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