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  • #107252

    StateRed44
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    As my conservative wolven friend said, “I grudgingly sort of hope (HillyBob) wins, because while she’s a criminal, she’s at least sane. But I can’t stand for having my name associated with her election.”

    And I think that’s a completely fair, reasoned take on it. It’s not where I come out on the issue, but I understand where he’s coming from. I would be in a similar position if Sanders had won, it would be Johnson or nobody (since I can’t write in my cat in NC, though I have in the past for lower offices when no candidate had earned my vote).

    As I noted above, I think the Presidential undervote will be pretty significant. We will see if one or both parties learn anything or not.

    You’ve completely missed the boat if you think the Republican establishment wanted Trump to win the primary. He was probably the least favored of the party out of the 17 who ran.

    #107254

    StateRed44
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    The only thing the mainstream Republicans could learn would be to secure then GD borders. And frankly most of them came around to Trump’s way of thinking on illegals as the race went on.

    #107266

    YogiNC
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    All Trump did was say what the most of us were thinking, the establishment didn’t have a clue. Reagan did the same thing in 1980, the only difference was he was running against Carter who most of us could not stand.

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    #107271

    pakfanistan
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    the only difference was he was running against Carter who most of us could not stand.

    Which is weird, because he is a devoutly Christian, veteran, farmer, who came from very little and rose to the highest office in the land. He’s the conservative dream. I’ve always been deeply amused by the disdain for him.

    #107275

    McCallum
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    the only difference was he was running against Carter who most of us could not stand.

    Which is weird, because he is a devoutly Christian, veteran, farmer, who came from very little and rose to the highest office in the land. He’s the conservative dream. I’ve always been deeply amused by the disdain for him.

    Check out the Curtis Wilkie book, Dixie: a Personal Odyssey Through Events that Shaped the Modern South, where he points to Carter evicting a black sharecropper family from the property in 76.

    I consider it a business deal but using your level of measuring items you had better pull Carter down off that mountain.

    FYI: Wilkie is fairly liberal.

    McCallum

    #107278

    bill.onthebeach
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    I’ve always been deeply amused by the disdain for him.

    that had something to do with the sweater, the call to be kinder and gentler, speaking plain truth…
    unless you’re a bull elephant…

    Americans do not like Wimps… from either party…

    Mac… an honest question…. do you think the tenants understood and thought badly of Mr. Carter afterwards???

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    #107279

    McCallum
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    bill,

    I never wrote what you attributed to me above.

    His malaise speech was a wonderful statement against consumption for consumptions sake.

    I have no idea about the tenants since Wilkie did not interview them but their removal had something to do with the condition of their home (it was a shanty) and how it would have reflected badly on Carter’s image.

    McCallum

    #107281

    pakfanistan
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    I consider it a business deal but using your level of measuring items you had better pull Carter down off that mountain.

    Yes, what a mountain I’ve built for Jimmy Carter by simply stating facts about his life.

    #107282

    bill.onthebeach
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    mac…

    I don’t know how that happened… internal SFN/Word Press stuff…

    yeah… I vaguely remember the story…

    it’s probably 50/50 … the folks living there were ‘comfortable’, not the same as happy, with the house…
    and Mr. Carter could have fixed the place up but then they couldn’t afford the rent…
    and then he would have had to fix up all the other houses on the planation… and didn’t want to spend the money…

    or maybe he saw the end of ‘sharecroppers’ and their shanties… you know we did in North Carolina ten years earlier…
    and decided it best to help those folks ‘move on’…

    and then maybe the reason had something to with that AJC reporter… following the Gubernortorial campaign…

    or all three…
    who really knows?

    any way it was… as Paki suggested … we’re reasonably sure it was a “well thought out” decision….

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    #107283

    McCallum
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    I consider it a business deal but using your level of measuring items you had better pull Carter down off that mountain.

    Yes, what a mountain I’ve built for Jimmy Carter by simply stating facts about his life.

    Sure but you left out some “facts”.

    Is he now disqualified, is he still a “conservative dream”?

    McCallum

    #107287

    pakfanistan
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    Is he now disqualified, is he still a “conservative dream”?

    It’s not like evicting a black sharecropper would disqualify him.

    And how does nearly eliminating the guinea worm balance against that action?

    #107292

    Adventuroo
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    Trump’s beauty queen is now outed as porn star, accessory to attempted murder and also threatened to kill a judge. For fun, she has a Mexican drug Lord’s child.

    Her response….I have a past. We all have a past. WJC is going to use that line.

    Meanwhile, Katy Perry & Madonna stripping for HRC. Is HRC their pimp?

    I’M older. I want to see Babs & Cher do a video with a real phallic symbol….If I Could Turn Back Time.

    #107293

    McCallum
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    Is he now disqualified, is he still a “conservative dream”?

    It’s not like evicting a black sharecropper would disqualify him.

    And how does nearly eliminating the guinea worm balance against that action?

    Just wanted to make sure if the “all or nothing” paradigm is in play here.

    Of course they might have just built a road for political reasons instead of the implied position of destroying a successful black community, like evicting the sharecroppers in the bad photo-op shanty, but as long as a greater good is found then it can be balanced out.

    I’m pleased that is the ground you appear to be laying out.

    McCallum

    #107295

    YogiNC
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    Pak, you didn’t live through the outrageous inflation, sky high interest rates (people actually bought homes at 15%, cars were near 20% even with good credit). He destroyed the moral of the military by holding raises to 10% under inflation, soldiers and sailors could barely feed their families. The nail in his coffin was the Iran hostage situation. All in all the views of his presidency by most of those of us who lived through it will only be topped in terms of Yuck by Obama. I never thought anyone would top Carter but the last 8 years have for me.

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    #107296

    McCallum
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    Carter wasn’t the reason for the interest rates being as they were Yogi.

    Carter suffered due to the end of cheap oil which was the result of our unwavering support for Israel.

    His party also hated him so from a legislative position he couldn’t get much done.

    McCallum

    #107297

    MrPlywood
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    “Trump’s beauty queen is now outed as porn star”
    It’s not Machado. There is a 20 second video clip of her “having relations” with a fellow contestant on a Big Brother style show, under covers, filmed with night vision camera.

    “accessory to attempted murder”
    A Venezuelan judge concluded that there was insufficient evidence to arrest her as a suspected accomplice [driving the getaway car] in the attempted homicide. Her boyfriend at the time was indicted. Prosecuting attorney said there were witnesses, evidently none came through, or there were none. She had an alibi.

    “and also threatened to kill a judge.”
    Maybe. He said / she said.

    “For fun, she has a Mexican drug Lord’s child.”
    Unsubstantiated. Maybe Maury can help.

    Machado has appeared nude in Mexican Playboy. But then again, Melania has a few nude pics of her own. Everyone has a past.

    #107301

    YogiNC
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    Carter wasn’t the reason for the interest rates being as they were Yogi.

    Carter suffered due to the end of cheap oil which was the result of our unwavering support for Israel.

    I never said he was the cause of the rates but that he didn’t do anything to fix the problem. I was working at a radio station in south Georgia during the election of 76. I knew very little about him but I was asked to cover the local elections for the AP. I was at the county seat where all the results for the county came in. I spoke to a great number of people that night and I was amazed that Carter even took the county considering how much he was disliked among the workers there. One man said “mark my word, he’ll be the worst president in our life time”. At the moment I thought that was a very odd statement coming from someone from his home state but then I was young and foolish. It was a first and last moment for me.

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    #107305

    McCallum
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    I doubt he could do anything to fix the problem. Oil and the dollar tied together, not so good when oil is very expensive.

    His election was a response to Watergate in as much as the thing in the White House now was a response to the stupid invasion of Iraq, economic collapse and social brainwashing.

    McCallum

    #107307

    bill.onthebeach
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    I doubt he [Carter] could do anything to fix the problem [the US economy 1976-80].

    That right…

    1. Oil prices up/weak dollar
    2. Inflation and Recession (declining GNP) at the same time… unheard of in modern times…
    3. Decreased Gov’t Spending, primarily in DOD budgets…

    Perfect Storm

    The historical fact is that his Successor… The Great Communicator… was equally powerless to fix the economic problems for the first 2-3 years in the oval office… Then he GOTT lucky in more ways than one….

    The interest rate on my first house was 16% – that was 1983…
    three years after that last farmer left the White House.

    I’m thinking it was after the election of 1984 when the GNP returned to 4% annual growth…

    which in no ways should be construed as a defense of Carter’s policies….

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    #107309

    tractor57
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    My opinion will not be popular but here goes. Carter and Volcker were a major factor in the interest rate rise. Volcker as the head of the Federal Reserve caused that recession to “whip inflation now” (the Gerald Ford talking point that was useless). Were there other factors like the energy crisis part duex and such yes indeed. And BTW I voted FOR Carter rather than against Ford. Since that election I have always voted against someone.

    As Bill says there are other factors that come into play. Regan did little for the economy but ride the WIN strategy – started sort of by Ford but really done in the Carter years. That is why this crap about “on his watch” is bogus when it comes to the economy. Actions do indeed have consequences but they often don’t show for a decade or so.

    I remember in the 1980’s my company (a textile company) asked us to write to Congress et al about stopping the loss of textile jobs – the theory was cheap imports were the sole cause. Actually it was company owners and managers who wanted cover for the rapid technology change that made some jobs unneeded along with the cheaper imports that they were creating. Same today in all sorts of industries for good or bad.

    #107310

    McCallum
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    I remember in the 1980’s my company (a textile company) asked us to write to Congress et al about stopping the loss of textile jobs – the theory was cheap imports were the sole cause. Actually it was company owners and managers who wanted cover for the rapid technology change that made some jobs unneeded along with the cheaper imports that they were creating. Same today in all sorts of industries for good or bad.

    Andy Warlick of Parkdale Mills wrote a piece years ago addressing the technology and “free” trade issue.

    The essence of the death of textile jobs was cheap labor, period. Couple that with reduced regulation (environment, health, etc) and you have major retailers dictating price based on surplus labor in a communist country (China). We gain debt, they gain reserves.

    But there are social and cultural considerations that have been dismissed with tariff reduction. Karl Marx addressed those in his attack on the Corn Laws in Enland in the late 1830s.

    McCallum

    #107312

    YogiNC
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    Am I on triple secret probation?

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    #107313

    bill.onthebeach
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    Regan did little for the economy but ride the WIN strategy

    Win was never going to ‘win’…

    Reagan did turn the economy around however….

    Reagan/MiltonFriedman’s plan was to cut taxes — which gott tons of good press — AND to exponentially increase government spending financed with long term bonds — which nobody talks about —

    Reagan spent more than FDR and paid back far less…

    … and then it took two years for this to show up in the economy.. 1984-85

    which created the inside joke about how Republicans all want to reduce government spending…
    Clinton techinically balanced in his second term
    Both Bushes buried the US in debt….

    Does anybody have any idea what Trump might do…
    the economy is not being discussed in this campaign by either side…

    except that I think, I could be wrong, Trump said he wanted to re-open all those textile mills in NC && SC?

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    #107314

    tractor57
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    McCallum if it were so simple as that. That was a big part for sure. WalMart is a big reason for the massive reduction of the US textile industry (note I did not say death as it has morphed). Cheap labor and such is a factor but having been on the inside I can tell you a lot was unwillingness to adapt, technology changes and the owners/managers like Mr Warlick passing blame. There was disruptive change and for many communities there was a severe cost to the workers. None of the mills I worked in during my career are alive and in most cases the buildings have been razed. Good or bad? I’m not sure but the change happened. Is it good to provide jobs at the expense of no innovation? If so can we do that in the face of global economics? There are a lot of issues packed into this. Many people I worked with lost their income with the change and the education they were provided didn’t help them adjust to that change.
    I don’t have an answer but I have seen the human cost.

    #107315

    Fastback68
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    Ah, Parkdale Mills was one of my wife’s accounts an eon ago and as a result is now one of our friends/neighbors new client.

    Tractor, I have a 40 year friendship with a fellow State grad whose family started a local textile plant in the early 60’s. An amazing story with the usual bad ending for a domestic textile company. However, the family had the attitude depicted in Troll’s “Harden the —- up” photo from last week. Go over, around, under or through but just find a way. He’s in Guatemala every third week of the year. The second generation, nephews, nieces and cousins have banded together and found their way which is another interesting story.

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