Your “Winning Is Good” @’Ville Open Thread

That was fun.  Really, really fun.

Like seriously, winning is fun.  Let’s do it some more.

Dennis Smith, Jr.

Dude is sick.  Really sad he’s not gonna be around next year.

Still Work To Be Done

Yeah, the Duke win was great and all.  But we dug ourselves a pretty big hole leading up to it.

Yep, a win in Durham is always a good thing.  It was fun.

But as far as our resume for the Dance?  Our RPI jumped from the 70’s to around 60.  Meh.

Our conference record is 3-5 instead of 2-6.  Meh.

If we want to be playing in mid to late March, that’s not gonna cut it. (Psssst….that’s the 2nd time I’ve linked VaWolf’s awesome analyses….that means you should go read it).

Anywhoo….a couple of those that got away earlier in January are looking even a little bigger now, huh?

You know what would be a good next step which would improve both of those numbers on our resume?

Win at Louisville today.

NC State at Louisville

Pack Heads to Louisville to Face 13th-Ranked Cardinals (GoPack.com)

Pack Tracks
– NC State won its first road game of the season Monday night as it used a 20-5 run to battle back from a nine-point deficit with 6:52 to play to win at #17/17 Duke, 84-82.
– Freshman Dennis Smith, Jr., scored a career-high 32 points for the Pack and led the team in assists (6) and steals (2). Smith has now led NC State in scoring in nine of the last 12 games, led the team in assists in 10 of 12 games and has led the team in steals in 12 consecutive games.
– Freshman Ted Kapita, after not playing in the previous two games, came off-the-bench to deliver his first career double-double with 14 points and 10 rebounds in 19 minutes. Junior Abdul-Malik Abu feel one rebound short of a double-double with 19 points and nine rebounds. Abu shot 8-of-12 from the field.
– Overall, Abu, Kapita and Smith combined to shoot 24-of-37 (64.9%) from the field at Duke.
Ted Kapita‘s double-double on Monday makes him the sixth NC State player to record a double-double this season. Abdul-Malik Abu (4), Dennis Smith (3), Torin Dorn (2), BeeJay Anya (1) and Omer Yurtseven (1) have also recorded double-doubles this season. Last year in 33 games, NC State had four players record a double-double Abu (14), Lennard Freeman (1), Cat Barber (1) and Cody Martin (1).

 

Men’s Basketball Returns Home to Host NC State Sunday Afternoon (GoCards.com)

NC State (14-7, 3-5 ACC) has won two of its last three games, including winning for the first time since 1995 at Duke with an 84-82 victory on Jan. 23. Freshman Dennis Smith, Jr. scored a career-high 32 points and added six assists, four rebounds and two steals in the game.

NC State is 27th in the nation in scoring offense (81.6 ppg) and 33rd in field goal percentage (.480). Smith leads the ACC in assists (6.6, 10th in the nation) and steals (2.2, 23rd in the nation) and is fifth in scoring (18.9 ppg). NC State is No. 59 in the RPI, No. 68 in the Sagarin Ratings and No. 74 by Ken Pomeroy through Jan. 25.

UofL has a 10-9 series edge over NC State, including a 5-2 record in games played in Louisville. The Cardinals have won the last two matchups, including a 77-72 victory in Raleigh, N.C. last season (1-7-16) when Quentin Snider led the Cardinals with 21 points, hitting a career-best 4-of-6 three-pointers.

CARD FILE

  • Louisville posted a collective 3.18 grade point average for the recently completed 2016 fall semester, with 11 men’s basketball student-athletes achieving a 3.0 or better GPA.
  • Louisville is sixth in the nation in field goal defense (.375), seventh in blocked shots (6.2 bpg) fifth in three-point field goal percentage defense (.282) and 10th in offensive rebounds per game (14.4).
  • Louisville has faced the nation’s toughest schedule according to the RPI through games of Jan. 25.
  • Louisville has won at least 17 of its first 21 games in six of the last seven seasons.
  • In his last eight games, Donovan Mitchell has averaged 18.5 points, 4.0 rebounds, 3.1 assists and made 24-of-55 three-pointers (.436). He scored a career-high 29 points at Pittsburgh (6-of-8 three-pointers). Mitchell is second in the ACC and is 26th in the nation in steals (2.1 per game).
  • Louisville has a 32-8 record in its conference home games over the last five years (.800), including an 8-1 record last season in ACC games in the KFC Yum! Center.
  • Louisville has a 38-17 record during the month of January over the last seven years, including a 22-8 record in the last four years.

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  • #115855
    eas
    Participant

    Gott….See ya. Thanks for the marketing and recruiting efforts. We must find an actual coach.

    I know everyone was excited about the Duke win (I was just because I thought it might be a spark) but Duke is a very weak team at the current moment. Heck they only lucked up at WF and were dominated in that game also. Something must happen in the change department and it must happen THIS year! The big problem in all of this equation is Debbie Yow. She is close to retirement and regardless of whether she can conduct another coaching search. What coach would come to NCSU not knowing who the next AD will be?

    #115856
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    But unless we have a total collapse

    Just curious, what do you call the last two seasons?

    #115857
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    If Miller wanted to come, do you honestly believe that with Yow on the short side, he’d give one sh#t about who might or might not be the new “boss? ”

    Jesushchristinasidecar. He WOULD be the freakin’ boss.

    Cracks me up when this comes up.

    #115858
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    If Miller wanted to come, do you honestly believe that with Yow on the short side, he’d give one sh#t about who might or might not be the new “boss? ”

    ADs come and go much quicker than they did when I was in school. Even if DY was in her 40s, there is no guarantee how long she would stay in Raleigh. So it might make a difference to some prospective coaches, but it really shouldn’t. Win are you’re golden, lose and you’re toast. The butt in the AD chair won’t change that math.

    #115859
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    No, but I definitely heard rumblings during the Sean courtship, that Sean said hell no in terms of working for DY.

    #115860
    mhcstatefan
    Participant

    Does anyone know the amount of Gotts and Archies buyout? I know Dayton extended his contract last year to 2023. Hell it wouldn’t surprise me if Yow has given out another contract extension to Gott and the news release hasn’t come yet.

    #115861
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    If Miller wanted to come, do you honestly believe that with Yow on the short side, he’d give one sh#t about who might or might not be the new “boss? ”

    Jesushchristinasidecar. He WOULD be the freakin’ boss.

    Especially IF he, OR anybody Else for that matter, turned this sh#t around and was winning consistently…. duh…

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #115862
    choppack1
    Participant

    Interesting that there seems to be such an opinion on the ad. If the basketball coach is good and he doesn’t get along with the ad, that’s the AD’s problem. Now, if they look at an AD like having a shack attracting vermin that will eventually head their way, that’s another and such an issue needs to be escalated to those in the leadership position above the ad.

    Unfortunately for Yow, none of her 2 most important hires have knocked it out of the park. The rest of the sports are like good sides and clean silverware at a restaurant…They matter not if the main course doesn’t impress you. And that’s her reality, hey, the salads are super and so are the sweet potato fries…But neither of the steaks I have had here are really good.

    #115864
    etab4u
    Participant

    Had the game on but didn’t pay attention other than to check the score occasionally. It went as expected.
    However, I didn’t hear which one of the opposing players had a career game today? I’m thinking of starting a pool to bet on that stat for each of the remaining games – that might generate some interest in the rest of the season, or at least to check the box scores.

    #115865
    eas
    Participant

    I was looking at the AD situation like a job I guess. Say if you’re interviewing for a “better” job but had a solid gig already. If I new going into the interview/offer that the boss I would be working for would change over the next year or two I might give some thought to risk vs reward. I’m not saying it should influence the decision totally but it has to cross your mind. Especially if you are a coach in demand. Maybe I’m looking at it the wrong way. I would have to wonder what if the next AD is a toolbag to work for. Doesn’t matter if I call the shots in reality, I would still like to have someone I respect working along my side with the same vision for success and how to obtain it.

    Either way we need to be putting some plans in place soon for a coaching change.

    #115866
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    No, Chops. It’s the whining and crying about…”Timing”

    #115867
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    I was looking at the AD situation like a job I guess. Say if you’re interviewing for a “better” job but had a solid gig already. If I new going into the interview/offer that the boss I would be working for would change over the next year or two I might give some thought to risk vs reward. I’m not saying it should influence the decision totally but it has to cross your mind. Especially if you are a coach in demand. Maybe I’m looking at it the wrong way. I would have to wonder what if the next AD is a toolbag to work for. Doesn’t matter if I call the shots in reality, I would still like to have someone I respect working along my side with the same vision for success and how to obtain it.

    Either way we need to be putting some plans in place soon for a coaching change.

    Agreed 100%. We need to make it as attractive as possible for Arch, not explain away why a potential awkwardness or unknown quantity with his superiors (though the head hoops coach will and should have lots of leverage, fair point) shouldn’t be a big deal.

    I mean, supposedly Arch likes his boss and/or his power position where he is now. Saying “trust me, it will work out fine in a few years” doesn’t seem like proactive management to me. Yeah, if Arch really REALLY is dying to come, he might overlook it, but it’s in no way ideal. We aren’t maximizing our odds of closing the freaking deal.

    #115868
    choppack1
    Participant

    Yea cow. I am sorry – but I would think that most coaches aren’t too concerned about the ad if they are going to be successful. I mean, you do what Bennett has done at UVa and the ad is in hot water of Bennet doesn’t like him – not vice versa.

    It’s only less successful coaches who have to worry about buttering up an ad.

    #115869
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    but I definitely heard rumblings during the Sean courtship, that Sean said hell no in terms of working for DY.

    That’s something different. CD was talking about not wanting to work for a short-timer, not DY specifically.

    #115871
    mak4dpak
    Participant

    What I consider a total collapse doesn’t matter, I am not the AD. That is her call, and so far she is on Gott’s side.

    #115872
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    That is her call, and so far she is on Gott’s side.

    I would expect her to be on his side through the season. If she can afford the buyout, then I also expect her to move after the season assuming that the current dumpster fire continues.

    #115873
    ryebread
    Participant

    When the employee makes 3-4 times the boss, and the boss is known to be on their way out, the employee doesn’t care so much about the boss. That is particularly true when the employee is going to get a package with a guaranteed severance.

    As for the game, is anyone really surprised? Winning against Duke without K while having close to season best games from three players was Fool’a Gold. Back to reality today for even the most optimistic. Of course it should have been obvious after UNC (if it wasn’t already after year 2 or 5).

    I would and will never pull against the Pack. I take solace that each passing loss gets us a game closer to HWSNBNv2 leaving us. I do wonder how many it will take to remove doubt from some…

    #115875
    Adventuroo
    Participant

    Someone asked about Gottfried buyout. His contract extends through the 2019/20 Season. Therefore AFTER this season (painfully so) is over, he has THREE more years. His Guaranteed BASE or Annual salary is $760K. That translates to $2,280K….or almost 2.3 Million. That is fact. It AIN’T gonna change unless Gottfried gets a few DWI’s or maybe goes political and supports some Trump policies….

    As to Archie Miller…..he is probably in the $1.2 – $1.4 Million range. Here was a SI sport (June 2016) that said he was well OVER $1 Million TWO YEARS AGO (2014). He got ANOTHER raise in March, 2016…..and his contract was extended to 2023. SO, do the math.

    Gottfried gets about 30% or his compensation in his BASE or Guaranteed. He has OTHER bonuse or incentives, but he will make $2,485 Million….just for showing up.

    SO, if Archie is making $1.3….then he would get, based on the 30% Guaranteed that Gottfried gets), around $400K. BUT, he has SIX more years on HIS contract. BINGO, you are at $2.4 MILLION. NOW, even if DY PAID THIS, Archie would still have to PONY UP the Federal and State Tax on it. You can NOT pay the institution. it MUST come from the Coach. DY gave Doeren the $$ to get out of his, but he had to pay TAX on it….it is INCOME. There are no fancy Tax Evasion strategies….it is INCOME. THAT has been tested in many courts.

    SO, Archie would probably owe around ONE MILLION. HE would need a SUBSTANTIAL increase….and NCSU would be out almost $5 MILLION.

    It AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN….unless we win a Powerball Lottery….

    The Lady Pack lost today….UNC handed them their sports bras in a neat package…..

    NOT a good day for DY’s choices of BB coaches….

    #115876
    MCG95
    Participant

    Yow has done a great job of holding coaches accountable for winning. In women’s basketball she let go a decent coach with a lot of potential and not a lot of time under her belt at NCSU. She let go a popular wrestling coach. She let go O’Brien who consistently got us to bowl games, but had an obvious ceiling. Now she needs to do the same thing with the man she made a big gamble on. Gott can recruit, but his players leave at an alarming rate, and he does not consistently win games that his talent should be able to win. It is also obvious that he is more interested in blaming them than coaching them. None of that will get us where we want to be. All we need is Yow to be consistent with how she has handled all other sports programs. The bubble of NCAA tourney at NC State is not success. It is failure. That bar is too low.

    Yow needs to treat the most important sport at NC State like she has the others.

    Time for something to be excited about again. Personally, I’d love to see Hodge on the staff with Miller.

    #115877
    eas
    Participant

    Adventuroo, thanks for the financial summary and also bringing a severe level of this situation really SUCKS to this Monday morning. Good gosh are we in an awful place for managing a contract change. Obviously Gott has the perfect setup from his standpoint.

    Maybe we could let Gott go and bring back Lutz as an interim coach. Lick our wounds for a little while from such a major financial debacle and be in position to make a better offer to Archie or whomever. I’m really afraid of the reality that we are simply not in a financial situation to let Gott go. This is sad on so many levels…..We simply suck. It’s hard to sit back and not be angry but what choice do I have. How many double digit years have we been dealing with mediocrity at best now? Exactly…..

    #115878
    Rick
    Keymaster

    That is her call, and so far she is on Gott’s side.

    I would expect her to be on his side through the season. If she can afford the buyout, then I also expect her to move after the season assuming that the current dumpster fire continues.

    If we truly cannot fire him because of his contract then Yow should be shown the door. There was no other school coming after him so there was no reason to keep extending his contract. Only an idiot would have given him such a coach friendly contract, it is just shy of the Paul Hewitt contract.

    At least the debate on whether Gott is a good coach is done. Now the question is how long we hold onto him. After this year, his recruiting magic is going to dry up. When recruits see what he has done with this talent none will come to here. There is only one recruit next year, no transfers and there will be another mass exodus. What a mess.

    #115879
    eas
    Participant

    Yep, we are permanently known as the rebuilding Wolfpack.

    #115880
    BassPacker
    Participant

    2 Top Louisville guards out
    6 days to prepare
    25 point loss

    Gott is Priceless

    #115897
    StateRed44
    Participant

    And they pressed us. Unbelievable that we could apply zero pressure when they have their top 2 guards out of the game. No name big men. How many “first rounders” are on their team.

    I like the idea above. If we can’t afford to get rid of Gott, fire Yow’s dumb arse and bring back Lutz on an interim basis next year. Let Whitt be assistant. Could they do worse?

    These are epic losses. Sick of it. Sick of the entire basketball community being astounded at our defense.

    #115898
    Texpack
    Participant

    We have not had good luck with NC State alum, becoming coaches. Don’t think it is worth the risk. But I guess there are always exceptions.

    Norman Sloan begs to differ

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