Your “Winning Is Good” @’Ville Open Thread

That was fun.  Really, really fun.

Like seriously, winning is fun.  Let’s do it some more.

Dennis Smith, Jr.

Dude is sick.  Really sad he’s not gonna be around next year.

Still Work To Be Done

Yeah, the Duke win was great and all.  But we dug ourselves a pretty big hole leading up to it.

Yep, a win in Durham is always a good thing.  It was fun.

But as far as our resume for the Dance?  Our RPI jumped from the 70’s to around 60.  Meh.

Our conference record is 3-5 instead of 2-6.  Meh.

If we want to be playing in mid to late March, that’s not gonna cut it. (Psssst….that’s the 2nd time I’ve linked VaWolf’s awesome analyses….that means you should go read it).

Anywhoo….a couple of those that got away earlier in January are looking even a little bigger now, huh?

You know what would be a good next step which would improve both of those numbers on our resume?

Win at Louisville today.

NC State at Louisville

Pack Heads to Louisville to Face 13th-Ranked Cardinals (GoPack.com)

Pack Tracks
– NC State won its first road game of the season Monday night as it used a 20-5 run to battle back from a nine-point deficit with 6:52 to play to win at #17/17 Duke, 84-82.
– Freshman Dennis Smith, Jr., scored a career-high 32 points for the Pack and led the team in assists (6) and steals (2). Smith has now led NC State in scoring in nine of the last 12 games, led the team in assists in 10 of 12 games and has led the team in steals in 12 consecutive games.
– Freshman Ted Kapita, after not playing in the previous two games, came off-the-bench to deliver his first career double-double with 14 points and 10 rebounds in 19 minutes. Junior Abdul-Malik Abu feel one rebound short of a double-double with 19 points and nine rebounds. Abu shot 8-of-12 from the field.
– Overall, Abu, Kapita and Smith combined to shoot 24-of-37 (64.9%) from the field at Duke.
Ted Kapita‘s double-double on Monday makes him the sixth NC State player to record a double-double this season. Abdul-Malik Abu (4), Dennis Smith (3), Torin Dorn (2), BeeJay Anya (1) and Omer Yurtseven (1) have also recorded double-doubles this season. Last year in 33 games, NC State had four players record a double-double Abu (14), Lennard Freeman (1), Cat Barber (1) and Cody Martin (1).

 

Men’s Basketball Returns Home to Host NC State Sunday Afternoon (GoCards.com)

NC State (14-7, 3-5 ACC) has won two of its last three games, including winning for the first time since 1995 at Duke with an 84-82 victory on Jan. 23. Freshman Dennis Smith, Jr. scored a career-high 32 points and added six assists, four rebounds and two steals in the game.

NC State is 27th in the nation in scoring offense (81.6 ppg) and 33rd in field goal percentage (.480). Smith leads the ACC in assists (6.6, 10th in the nation) and steals (2.2, 23rd in the nation) and is fifth in scoring (18.9 ppg). NC State is No. 59 in the RPI, No. 68 in the Sagarin Ratings and No. 74 by Ken Pomeroy through Jan. 25.

UofL has a 10-9 series edge over NC State, including a 5-2 record in games played in Louisville. The Cardinals have won the last two matchups, including a 77-72 victory in Raleigh, N.C. last season (1-7-16) when Quentin Snider led the Cardinals with 21 points, hitting a career-best 4-of-6 three-pointers.

CARD FILE

  • Louisville posted a collective 3.18 grade point average for the recently completed 2016 fall semester, with 11 men’s basketball student-athletes achieving a 3.0 or better GPA.
  • Louisville is sixth in the nation in field goal defense (.375), seventh in blocked shots (6.2 bpg) fifth in three-point field goal percentage defense (.282) and 10th in offensive rebounds per game (14.4).
  • Louisville has faced the nation’s toughest schedule according to the RPI through games of Jan. 25.
  • Louisville has won at least 17 of its first 21 games in six of the last seven seasons.
  • In his last eight games, Donovan Mitchell has averaged 18.5 points, 4.0 rebounds, 3.1 assists and made 24-of-55 three-pointers (.436). He scored a career-high 29 points at Pittsburgh (6-of-8 three-pointers). Mitchell is second in the ACC and is 26th in the nation in steals (2.1 per game).
  • Louisville has a 32-8 record in its conference home games over the last five years (.800), including an 8-1 record last season in ACC games in the KFC Yum! Center.
  • Louisville has a 38-17 record during the month of January over the last seven years, including a 22-8 record in the last four years.

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  • #115900
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Sick of the entire basketball community being astounded at our defense.

    This has been a consistent problem under Gott and for years it was blamed on the players. They were too slow. They were not athletic enough etc. It appears at this point it is now obvious to everyone. Even Bonner was perplexed by it.

    #115901
    StateRed44
    Participant

    Dorn is a good basketball player. For a supposed offensive coach, I can’t believe he can’t find a way Dorn can get some “microwave” type minutes. They guy has been completely lost since Mav has come back. How is that possible? We have seen him play good this year right in front of our eyes. I can understand a personal slump but this stinks of poor team management. Same goes for the benching of Kapita and now Anya. I would think Anya could come in for a 4 minute stretch each half. Y7 gives us zero now. Another lost player. Teach him to pump fake and draw some contact. He can hit free throws. Where is his 15 ft jumper?

    Defensively where are the toughness drills? How about a 3/4 court trap? Does Yow understand how terrible this is or is she oblivious? How could her marquee coach be a guy that was fired and doing ESPN for 2 years? And she paid him like a proven commodity? Fire her butt!

    #115902
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    Year 2, friends. It’s been down hill since then. The fair Gottfather was always a fraud. The only changes are the additions of our old Big East friends and Notre Dame and a full complement of his recruits, minus Bobby Lutz, who was never a defensive genius, but at least provided some level of game prep that now appears lost.

    He simply thought we’d out talent people this year. And he’s perplexed now and has no solution, because to swallow the pill, he either has to say he can’t coach, or we don’t have players. He’s run out of excuses, so now it’s “bad energy.”

    #115903
    Khan
    Participant

    We are awful.

    #115904
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Does Yow understand how terrible this is or is she oblivious? How could her marquee coach be a guy that was fired and doing ESPN for 2 years? And she paid him like a proven commodity? Fire her butt!

    She claims she knows basketball (where have I heard that?) but her actions seem to indicate otherwise. She ran a horrid hiring process cumulating in a last gasp hire with major baggage. It worked for a short while but has run the same course as his last position (but at a faster pace) and someone with any basketball knowledge could see it coming a mile away. She kept handing out extensions like they were candy and now we don’t even know if we can get rid of an obviously uninterested or incompetent $2.5M coach.

    #115905
    Adventuroo
    Participant

    I did a little more googling this morning. I THINK (never trust a late night post….at least from me) that the numbers on Archie are “in the ball park”. NOW, some have posted that he has a WAIVER for NCSU. Since the terms of his contract seem to be VERY sketchy, I can NOT verify that. As a matter of fact, the ONLY school discussed was PITT and BOTH Arizona and Dayton deny that there are specific “school” waivers for both the Miller laddies.

    The comment about 6 days and still not being prepared….probably is the most telling.

    Not being able to handle the press. Not contesting shots (how many did Mitchell hit…?) and then NOT running our offense and throwing up prayers.

    I watched (on DVR) the first half…and decided it was NOT worth watching the second half. Watched the Ladies play on TV and the crawler delivered the BAD NEWS…we got whipped. As ORW said….We got our tails kicked.

    State has NOT done diddly squat (a term applied to a puny BM?) after a big loss. We then revert to old habits. That was true of Lowe as well as Gottfried. I have NO insight into the team or the locker room mood. BUT, it seems like Gott’s magic with Lowe’s recruits was totally used up and the Genie in the Red Lamp in the 2010-11 season and the Genie has a “Do NOT Disturb” sign. He (she?) will no longer come out and grant wishes. Maybe Elizabeth was the MAGIC CHARM….and she threw in the towel.

    Bringing back Lutz? I guess that would be thinking outside the box. I don’t know if he WOULD come back. Then there is this little thing known as BUYOUT. You can NOT reneg on a BUYOUT….unless there is Just Cause (which we MAY have had early in 2013 or so, but turned a Blind Eye to it). NOW, save some criminal action or addiction issue or major NCAA violation, you HAVE to honor the contract.

    W & L records are NOT usually included as “Contract Waivers”….if they were or if you said…”You did NOT deliver…” and then refused to pay, no coach would ever sign up….save a few miscreants….so it is what it is.

    If Gottfried continues down this path, he is going to tarnish the good done by AD Yow. I do NOT have the answer. I don’t KNOW if Dr. Woodson will take action. We is fornicated….and did not even get Kissed or get Dinner and a Movie….

    In all fairness, the folks in the Top Ten had a week of upsets and inconsistencies….save Gonzaga….Mr. Hamiliton done lost TWO….

    No matter HOW good your Offensive Juggernaut is….poor Defense will negate and overrule that…

    #115906
    ryebread
    Participant

    Year 2, friends. It’s been down hill since then. The fair Gottfather was always a fraud. The only changes are the additions of our old Big East friends and Notre Dame and a full complement of his recruits, minus Bobby Lutz, who was never a defensive genius, but at least provided some level of game prep that now appears lost.

    He simply thought we’d out talent people this year. And he’s perplexed now and has no solution, because to swallow the pill, he either has to say he can’t coach, or we don’t have players. He’s run out of excuses, so now it’s “bad energy.”

    Bingo. The worst thing that happened to NC State with respect to Gott (outside of hiring him initially) was how bad Lowe was at extracting anything out of the stacked roster he had built. Virtually any average P5 coach could have taken the year 1 roster and won with it. It was just that Lowe was so bad that Gott looked like a genius, and Yow rapidly changed his contract structure.

    The signs were there early in year 2 though. When Oklahoma State whacked us by 20 in Puerto Rico, the major red flag should have gone up right there. Instead, our fans where after the ESPN analyst who correctly (though abrasively) pointed out the glaring weaknesses in defense, fundamentals and toughness. Thomas de Theay said the same thing later that year and people didn’t want to believe him. It’s kind of like they are finally waking up, in what should really be a strike 3 kind of season.

    I’d suggest that Gott’s not the coach today that he was in year 1. I don’t know if it is motivation, health related, personal life, whether it was really Lutz, or maybe it was Harrick. I’d suggest though that we’re in another situation where any virtually average P5 coach could again take this year’s roster and do a lot more with it than what we are getting now.

    #115907
    tractor57
    Participant

    Gott has brought back partially but maybe he not the coach needed to move forward.

    #115908
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    $2.3M for a buyout on MG is chump change. Allowing your most visible program to crash through to the ACC basement (a near-certainty if not fired after THIS season) has real costs, too.

    And it only saves you 1/3 of that $2.3M, don’t it??

    Firing an underperforming coach always costs money. We make a lot of it (though much less than we would in a properly-run conference), especially through TV dollars.

    Unless you go back to the insane notion of “coaching through the end of the contract” which nobody does anywhere, ever. Not anymore.

    Remember how lucky we got with TOB wanting to go to UVA and we had to pay him peanuts of what we owed him? Consider that found money for this.

    This is a bad situation. Sitting on it and allowing it to fester only makes it worse.

    AND YES, you hire a REAL COACH. You can’t bring back the guy who couldn’t land any of the Big South jobs he went after. Spend money to make money. You want to fill seats in that ridiculously over-capacity hockey arena, or have it be empty for three more years? Really think that will be net in NC State’s financial interests??

    Nobody knows what is in Arch’s contract for sure, but if he WANTS to come back here as is rumored, then he likely has a favorable buyout for his alma mater (as many similarly situated coaches do).

    It’s not like he doesn’t have business or legal representation, and/or nobody has ever considered this eventuality before.

    I mean, not EVERYBODY in the world operates like NC State does.

    #115910
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Summing up today’s word from the wise…

    he’s [GOTT] perplexed now and has no solution, because to swallow the pill, he either has to say he can’t coach, or we don’t have players. He’s run out of excuses, so now it’s “bad energy.”

    I still don’t get the “They had no Zip thing”… both ways… 1. No we didn’t and there’s no excuse for that and 2. Coach doesn’t EVER throw the whole Team under the bus, except out of total frustration… a point from which, the chances of recovery, we all know, are slim to none…

    …she [Yow] knows basketball…

    I’ve watched the Yow family from a short distance for fifty years… Daddy knew basketball, Mama knew basketball AND ALL the girls knew Basketball. Now that’s indisputable, but that ain’t the same thing as knowing the BasketBall Business at the high D1 levels in 2017.

    If Gottfried continues down this path, he is going to tarnish the good done by AD Yow.

    Tit or Tat… if you can still be politically correct and say that… flip the objects and the logic is still true.

    This is a bad situation. Sitting on it and allowing it to fester only makes it worse.

    Yep… this Dog don’t hunt no more… and this Horse may have won his last race…
    Could be time for the Stud Farm….

    …not EVERYBODY in the world operates like NC State does.

    Well… that’s the F’ing quote of the day…

    I do NOT have the answer. I don’t KNOW if Dr. Woodson will take action.

    And neither does ANYBODY else..
    (see the quote of the day…)

    POP!!!

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    #115911
    mhcstatefan
    Participant

    Somebody will pick Gott up and he will want one more chance somewhere else before going back into broadcasting so we want be on the hook for the full 2.4. We really need to go after Archie now before we lose him to a comparable, or at this point, much better school.

    #115912
    choppack1
    Participant

    Let’s face it. It’s foolish to say “Gott can’t coach.”

    He has proven a competent coach – even at the highest level of college basketball. However, the true differentiator for the “Good Coach” vs. “Great Coach” – is the ability to build and to sustain after building. To win and win big over several years.

    And whether it’s a lack of focus, lack of attention to detail, personnel issues ; it’s not really relevant. The man has coached for almost 2 decades and he hasn’t demonstrated an ability to sustain it.

    It was fine to offer him the job when it was offered. It was a mistake – if avoidable / if costly – to offer the buyout.

    #115913
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    ^
    This. He most certainly CAN coach. He is a coach…And on top of that, one of few to ever bring multiple squads to the last 16 standing.

    ……

    #115914
    JeremyH
    Participant

    Something seems to be off. I missed the first half on Sunday, and just watched a little bit. We don’t do one thing to pressure on defense, and we regularly lose assignments. That right there is enough for us to get beaten by 80% of the conference. We’re just beating ourselves. And I don’t see things getting corrected.

    Then there doesn’t seem to be strategy on offense. When something goes right we forget about it, and we do a bunch of one-on-one stuff or contested jumpers to make something happen. Then there’s some confusion that leads to turnovers, and that’s about it. It looks a little too much like the Lowe years, a lot of shooting from the hip/reactionary stuff.

    #115915
    Adventuroo
    Participant

    CowDog,

    With absolutely NO disrespect to your credentials and your insight in the REAL world of athletics, which very few of us have….I sort of wonder about your statement…

    “This. He most certainly CAN coach. He is a coach…And on top of that, one of few to ever bring multiple squads ro the last 16 standing.”

    I don’t argue with his success….and that got him a few extra, well deserved, sheckles as the Sweet 16 is a Bonus item. I went to St. Louis and we fought hard….KU was just too strong.

    BUT, that was when we also had a defense as well as an offense. I THINK that you pointed out in some previous posts about needing to be able to DEFEND to WIN. We can’t seem to keep any continuity….maybe, as you have self confessed, our inexperienced players are chasing skirts and not focused. No matter HOW I dissect it, there is a lapse of coaching savvy. MAYBE it will turn around…..but the damage is done…

    As to the comments about the PNC being vacant. The damage will be in the upper deck. The seats in the 100 level (bowl) are sold for LTR’s and the businesses and individuals that have them will continue to buy them. My LTR’s in the Champions Club are safe….I WILL keep buying them. I have too much invested to cut and run. We enjoy the games and the meals and the fellowship there with others and our family. There are a LOT of folks like us.

    Season~~ Coach~~ Games~~ Total~~ Average NCAA
    1999-2000~~ Sendek~~ 20~~ 30709~~ 16535~~ 7
    2000-2001~~ Sendek~~ 17~~ 239224~~ 14072~~ 17
    2001-2002~~ Sendek~~ 18~~ 242419~~ 13468~~ 20
    2002-2003~~ Sendek~~ 16~~ 217012~~ 13563~~ 19
    2003-2004~~ Sendek~~ 16~~ 233223~~ 14576~~ 16
    2004-2005~~ Sendek~~ 17~~ 245898~~ 14464~~ 13
    2005-2006~~ Sendek~~ 18~~ 260509~~ 14472~~ 18
    Average~~ Sendek~~ 17.43~~ 209856~~ 14450~~ 15.71

    2006-2007~~ Lowe~~ 20~~ 279035~~ 13952~~ 18
    2007-2008~~ Lowe~~ 16~~ 240682~~ 15043~~ 16
    2008-2009~~ Lowe~~ 18~~ 242206~~ 13456~~ 21
    2009-2010~~ Lowe~~ 17~~ 224131~~ 13184~~ 24
    Average~~ Lowe~~ 17.75~~ 246514~~ 13909~~ 19.75
    DOWN 3.7% Compared to Sendek

    2010-2011~~ Gottfried~~ 16~~ 220457~~ 13799~~ 19
    2011-2012~~ Gottfried~~ 19~~ 257638~~ 13560~~ 20
    2012-2013~~ Gottfried~~ 17~~ 277087~~ 16299~~ 12
    2013-2014~~ Gottfried~~ 19~~ 240182~~ 12641~~ 25
    2014-2015~~ Gottfried~~ 20~~ 308726~~ 15436~~ 12
    2015-2016~~ Gottfried~~ 18~~ 301646~~ 16758~~ 8
    Average~~ Gottfried~~ 18.17~~ 267623~~ 14749~~ 16.00
    UP 4.1% Compared to Lowe
    UP 0.2% Compared to Sendek

    OK, I looked it up and Excel did it as above. Apologies for the format…don’t know how to do charts and tables here. The reason for Lowe’s departure was LOW ATTENDANCE. THAT was the “deciding” factor for not giving him ONE more year. Sidney had a great first year with Herbie’s boys….as did Gottfried with his first year of Sidney’s boys. BUT, we have also had some really talented players and they have not meshed (some….or perhaps MORE than some DEPARTED). Our attrition rate is much higher (figuratively speaking…..someone can do charts and tables) than perhaps any other ACC school.

    NOW, add in the raw talent that we have had and played….and our results are not earth shaking. I would have thought that Gottfried would have increased about 15% over Lowe and 10% over Sendek. NOPE. There is NO data on the “scanned” or turnstile attendance. THAT is a DEEP DARK SECRET….

    BOTB will have to find a line to quote….I don’t see much improvement….and I STILL think that we are not getting what we should out of our players. Lutz coming back? Not gonna happen. Making a $5 Million dollar move. That is GT’s record….they are paying THREE coaches this year….only TWO next year.

    Who knows. Will be in the PNC on Wednesday and see WHAT team and WHAT energy level and WHAT defense and WHATEVER shows up. Maybe Abu and Kapita did NOT pray enough during the 6 day layoff….

    #115916
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Mr. Dog, B’rer ‘Roo, et al…

    1. 400 D1 Wins ain’t shabby….

    2. For this season — the high percentages are that we’re totally F’ckd….

    3. The “management process” will play itself out only at the highest levels, post season….

    4. The rest of most all of this is interweb/tinfoilhat/lovetalkingtoyouguys/entertainment at the singlecellendofthefoodchain….

    Next game is …
    Syracuse
    Wed Feb 1, 2017
    7:00 p.m.
    PNC

    Rest up for that one, ’cause all us old men GOTTa have some ZIP !!!

    Good Night Gents….

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #115917
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Knowing what you know now – would any of you still take Gott over:

    Bennett
    Buzz Williams
    Pastner
    Manning

    Not me.

    Gott was indeed a pretty good coach, but he’s falling off just like what happened at Bama.

    #115918
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Knowing what you know now – would any of you still take Gott over:

    Bennett
    Buzz Williams
    Pastner
    Manning

    Not me.

    Gott was indeed a pretty good coach, but he’s falling off just like what happened at Bama.

    How many coaches in the ACC would you take him over? Not many. Of course he does have that pinnacle of success, two sweet 16s so his job is safe forever.

    #115919
    rthomas44
    Participant

    Hindsight is 20-20. MG will survive, I’M afraid to admit. Not that I prefer it, but I don’t see Yow pulling the trigger. Woodson will not overrule his own hire.

    #115920
    BassPacker
    Participant

    Gott may survive, but this was the PNC last home ACC game at about 10 minute mark of first half. the entire upper bowl was almost vacant. My bride made comment she had never seen so few for a ACC home game. This speaks volumes and will only get worse. The bottom bowl is not as telling as most have invested too much not to go or least give the seats to someone who will go. Who is noticing is the question.

    ACC homegame

    #115921
    Adventuroo
    Participant

    Bass Packer,
    Not certain which section you took that from, but there was one game recently where my DW made the came comment. Take a picture of this crowd and send it to DY. There ain’t NOBODY here. LOTS of paid seats with no BUTTS in them. Lot of GOOD, high $$ paid seats included in the coveted “Bowl Area”. It DOES look like there are more folks on the Bench side of the Bowl than on the Press Side, so it does not look as bad as it is.

    Gottfried certainly has NOT built up the attendance that one would have expected with his stable of Blue Chippers compared to Mediocre Herbie and “you ain’t filling the PNC Lowe”. I doubt that we will make any “headlines” with 2017….but again, the NCAA publishes PAID attendances….

    Wonder how UNC records theirs….last time I looked at the box scores for UNC, they were in even hundreds or maybe thousands…

    #115922
    BassPacker
    Participant

    ^Roo, that’s from section 201. Both sides were just as empty. As was the seats on the sideline sections. Over half the lower bowl behind the goals was empty with a couple sections completely empty. This was not second half pic, it was well into the first half where most that was coming had time to be in their seats. Its telling……

    #115923
    Adventuroo
    Participant

    The view from 214 ain’t much better….if any. BOTH are depressing. Admittedly, the view of the upper decks of the Carrier Dome were equally bad. They had virtually closed off the 2nd and 3rd levels. FSU still got beat.

    #115924
    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    Knowing what you know now – would any of you still take Gott over:

    I didn’t need today’s knowledge to want a different coach. But to be fair, he accomplished more than I was expecting in the first four years at State…but the accomplishments were about what I thought was his upper limit.

    #115928
    StateRed44
    Participant

    I was cautiously optimistic when he was hired and surprised at the first year success. Year 2 was a warning. I guess I’m perplexed and a little shocked at how this season has gone. I think even the pessimists are shocked at how bad we consistently look. If we were serious about basketball this crap wouldn’t fly. We shall see what happens.

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