Lots of UNC-CHeat news this week

The Final Four obviously is this weekend. The ACC has two of the four teams in Syracuse and North Carolina. This week has also brought out lots of discussions from a national perspective on the academic scandals at Syracuse and specifically in Chapel Hill. There are too many stories this week to have separate entries so here is a sampling of what has been written and said about UNC this week:

Pat FordeOn Probation vs. Under Investigation

The Final Four matchups are now set. In one national semifinal, we have Villanova vs. Oklahoma. In the other, we have On Probation vs. Under Investigation.

Also known as the Outside Counsel Billable Hours Invitational, underwritten by Bond, Schoeneck & King. Also known as Questions 1 through 30 for NCAA president Mark Emmert, should he have his annual meeting with the media in Houston. Also known as Syracuse vs. North Carolina.

Matt Jones

After that Interview, he was on Twitter as a follow-up:

Andy Katz

ESPN’s Katz interviewed Mark Emmert, president of the NCAA, about several items earlier this week. One of the topics was the UNC scandal.

NCAA president Mark Emmert said the final notice of allegations for the North Carolina investigation into academic fraud “will be done in the coming weeks or a month or so.”

In an interview with ESPN after his news conference Thursday, Emmert said the enforcement staff wants to get it done but also wants to make sure the facts are straight.

“The next step is the delivery of allegations,” Emmert said.

“It’s a great, big, complicated case, and it’s taking a long time to get all the information in place,” Emmert said. “We’re not putting a timetable on it.”

Dan Kane

Kane, who has been investigating this UNC scandal in an excellent way for the past few years with the News and Observer, wrote two articles this week regarding the scandal.

First, he wrote an article in which a 2003 UNC report contradicts what UNC says regarding the number of independent studies classes.

UNC-Chapel Hill, which is under investigation for fraudulent classes involving athletes, has maintained that students were not subjected to a limit on independent studies until the 2006-07 academic year.

That stance appears to have narrowed one key part of the NCAA’s investigation.

But a new document released by the university in March shows that the limit on independent studies started before 2003. Other evidence suggests that the limit was in place since the early 1990s.

In response to a long-standing public records request from The News & Observer, UNC provided a 2003 faculty report that proposed numerous curriculum changes.

Deep within the report, the authors cited a 12-hour independent studies limit. Noting that curriculum changes can’t happen if they run counter to General College and Arts and Sciences guidelines, the report said: “That might mean, for example, considering whether to reaffirm the current rule that an Arts and Sciences student can count toward graduation only twelve hours of independent study.”

The start date of that 12-credit-hour limit is critical because the NCAA considers that athletes who exceeded it received an impermissible benefit.

Going back further than 2006 would add well more than 100 athletes to the list of 10 that the NCAA said exceeded the independent study limit through classes that had no professor, never met and yielded a high grade for an end-of-class paper.

For example, records show many athletes on the 2005 men’s basketball championship team took multiple fake classes, which were directed and graded by a clerical employee in the African studies department – including a star player who took 12 hours’ worth in the spring semester when the team won the title.

His second article was an updated primer on the status of the scandal. Here is one of the questions (and answers):

Q: Men’s basketball coach Roy Williams says there are no NCAA allegations involving men’s basketball. Is that true?

A: No. The NCAA’s case against UNC alleges men’s basketball players received impermissible benefits by receiving special access to the fake classes, largely through the efforts of academic counselors in the athlete support program. Men’s basketball is among the three programs that primarily benefited from the special access. The exhibits along with the notice cite examples of that access, including men’s basketball counselor Wayne Walden working with Crowder to put athletes in the classes. Williams brought Walden to UNC from Kansas.

The notice does not accuse Williams or the coaches of wrongdoing, but the fake classes aided his players, particularly those on the 2005 championship team.

So, before UNC plays Syracuse in the Final Four on Saturday, go through the above links as these topics won’t be addressed much during the game.

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  • #102241
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    Apparently, Ol Roy doesn’t anticipate any sanctions for men’s bball.

    I tried to post the link last night. (Site still won’t let me… conspiracy?) Roy comes across as extremely smug, more so than usual. Where’s my BB gun?

    #102242
    WolfWiz11
    Participant

    Yea I had the same issue, Ply. A friend speculates that he’s so smug bc the NCAA has framed the violations as pertaining to the University, not the athletics program. But I find that argument very flimsy. Seems like a slippery slope . . . .

    #102243
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Yea I had the same issue, Ply. A friend speculates that he’s so smug bc the NCAA has framed the violations as pertaining to the University, not the athletics program. But I find that argument very flimsy. Seems like a slippery slope . . . .

    If that is their finding every university should set up a degree to keep their players eligible. As long as you let one or two students in you would be fine. It would be the death of the “student athlete”.
    Frankly, I expect something like this though.

    #102244
    Gene
    Participant

    I hope all the time the NCAA is taking is worth it.

    I’d hate for UNC-Cheat to skate like Miama (FL) recently did.

    They botched the investigation regarding Miami (FL)’s connections with Shapiro and Miami (FL) skated because of the NCAA’s failures to adhere to proper guidelines in the investigation.

    #102246
    pakfanistan
    Participant

    Here’s a little of that christmas tree I didn’t throw out until march and didn’t ever water for the fire.

    http://deadspin.com/uncs-blatantly-fake-classes-were-the-best-thing-for-ath-1768863752

    #102247
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    It’s days like this that I’m really grateful that I don’t f-ing own a gun.

    Because MY GOD I don’t see how I would get to tomorry without it being happily warm.

    #102248
    FergusWolf
    Participant

    now would be the ideal (for UNC) time for the NCAA to decide that penalizing players that weren’t part of the program at the time of the violations is NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESS, also, they will conclude that stripping past teams of wins and/or championships amounts to no penalty at all.

    So, as a result of this, the NCAA will fine UNC $5000, and smack them on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper.

    #102252
    Khan
    Participant

    Move along, folks. Nothing to see here…

    …unless, of course, you’re eagerly awaiting another banner-hanging celebration in the Dean Dome. In that case, carry on.

    #102255
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    I’m going to try this again… (Stay away Rick. This time it’s being screen shot.)

    I believe that some of you have been conditioned so badly, that UNx’s own PR team couldn’t have managed better.

    Besides, ‘Nova walks away with this thing, anyway.

    #102256
    ncsu1987
    Participant

    For the first time in 44 years I will not watch the NCAA basketball championship game. I vowed before the tourney began that I would not watch those cheaters, I haven’t yet, and I won’t tonight.

    Like I needed another reason to hate those [email protected]

    #102258
    wolfpack92owen
    Participant

    For the first time in 44 years I will not watch the NCAA basketball championship game. I vowed before the tourney began that I would not watch those cheaters, I haven’t yet, and I won’t tonight.

    Like I needed another reason to hate those [email protected]

    I think its going to be a great game. Both teams are playing well. Not sure I understand the “boycott” angle some have.

    #102259
    ncsu1987
    Participant

    Hey, ‘dog. Nova’s D seems to have been the difference this yr. My fear has been that tighter whistles would force them to back off, as they can’t match UNX depth.

    Agree 100% they win going away on level playing field.

    You expect something I don’t?

    Also agree with you that they’re going to get hammered once the process runs to completion.

    #102261
    Rick
    Keymaster

    I’m going to try this again… (Stay away Rick. This time it’s being screen shot.)

    I believe that some of you have been conditioned so badly, that UNx’s own PR team couldn’t have managed better.

    Besides, ‘Nova walks away with this thing, anyway.

    You can screen shot anything you want. If you insult someone I will delete it.
    I sm sick of arguing with you about it. This is the last time I respond to you. Follow that simple rule and you won’t hear from me.

    #102262
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    I haven’t watched a second of the Holes so far. Maybe I will watch a little tonight. Maybe not. Trailer Park Boys S10 and Better Call Saul sounds better for avoiding an aneurysm.

    #102264
    tractor57
    Participant

    For better or worse I will watch. I like good basketball and this seems to be a good match.

    #102265
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    I believe that some of you have been conditioned so badly, that UNx’s own PR team couldn’t have managed better.

    Stockholm Syndrome ‘Dog, plain and simple. Help me.

    #102266
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    T57. It should be worth watching. Once the pre game BSC is over, I am compelled to watch.

    #102267
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    I believe that some of you have been conditioned so badly, that UNx’s own PR team couldn’t have managed better.

    Stockholm Syndrome ‘Dog, plain and simple. Help me.

    Help is on the way, brotha! But I gotta make it fast les my words wind up in the Puget Sound!

    #102268
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    More like the Strait of Juan de Fuca, and yeah, make it quick ’cause scientists recently confirmed the existence of a major fault line under there. :O

    Hopefully the Holes will feel the big one, complete with years of aftershocks, before we do.

    #102269
    pakfanistan
    Participant

    You can screen shot anything you want. If you insult someone I will delete it.
    I sm sick of arguing with you about it. This is the last time I respond to you. Follow that simple rule and you won’t hear from me.

    No offense meant, but you’ve lost perspective when it comes to CD. I’d suggest you run it by one of your fellow politburo before you go deleting one of his posts. Not saying you need permission, but a second opinion might be beneficial to the community at large.

    #102272
    pakfanistan
    Participant

    No offense meant, but…..

    You can’t have my spot as Rick’s antagonist. I earned that.

    #102274
    PK Pollar
    Participant

    Have fun playing with your little red button.

    The community can’t handle a diversity of opinions?

    #102276
    bill.onthebeach
    Participant

    Coach Rick…
    where’s my f’ing post I just submitted ????

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #102277
    Rick
    Keymaster

    Coach Rick…
    where’s my f’ing post I just submitted ????

    I didn’t touch it

    #102278
    Adventuroo
    Participant

    I really thought this was a free exchange of info….and some of the posts go pretty far out. Some of us have ALSO had posts deleted that had some political comparisons and hopefully, some humorous and valid points.

    I guess that since I saw it ONCE and POOF, it was gone, it did not meet certain standards. SFN used to be a pretty good site, but many of my friends have deserted it due to some “changes”.

    FWIW, if you do some googling, Mr. Emmert, the NCAA CEO who is OUTRAGED at the NC HB2 law and will take it INTO serious consideration had NO ISSUES (as it was NOT publicized and used for Political Fodder) in KEEPING the NCAA FF in Houston. I assume that MANY of the posters also know, since the MSM reported it….YEAH, that Houston’s City Council voted in the SAME LGBT XYZ law that Charlotte did. BUT, the Houston residents VOTED IT DOWN….67 – 33. YET, the NCAA is there….as is the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. SOME of the same folks that wading in today.

    Mr. Emmert, now makes more than ORW. His NCAA is a NON Profit. He and his staff and all NCAA Employees make, in toto, over $60 Million annually. The NCAA banked, way back in 2011, over $30 Million to their Reserves. That was what MOST would call PROFIT. Their Expenses (including College payouts) were $30 MILLION LESS than their income.

    SO, if you also do some googling, you should KNOW that the NCAA has a Reserve Fund (Stocks, MF, Bonds, Short Term securities, MMA, etc.) of over ONE BILLION DOLLARS. Now WHY do they need that much. YOU tell me.

    BUT, if you think that they are going to destroy one of their CASH COWS and expose Academic Fraud, then the Tooth Fairy might be your choice for President.

    ALSO, do some googling…..John Wooden ran a program that was fraught with both CASH payments and Academic malfeasance. Check out the writers who reported on this. Golenbach was NOT amongst them.

    I will watch the game tonight and probably pull against ORW….I will NOT pull for them.

    IF ORW decides to RETIRE and REST….then you will know that the NCAA has been backed into a corner and they can NOT keep the lid on the pot anymore and that there is an undercurrent of OTHER schools that want them to make UNC an example. IF, and I am NOT going to say or even THINK, WHEN….then there will be meaningful sanctions.

    MOST of you should KNOW that DES brought in the AFAM program. It was being used by KANSAS. John Swofford shephered it through the UNC Faculty Senate. ORW, brought Kansas’ CHIEF Academic Guru, Wayne Welden (memory)….as his MOST valuable resource. Wayne then fine tuned it. BUT Debra and her cohorts had already laid the ground work and were “street smart” and working the system…..

    My opinion, and I think realistic….NOTHING MEANINGFUL will come out of the NCAA NOA and Investigation…..UNLESS the AD’s and Prez’s of a MAJORITY of schools want it. AND, if ALL are abusing it, then UNC will get by with less of a wrist slap than the FSU Coach who pulled his first team to rest them from the ACC Tourney….and be ready for the NCAA.

    Read on….this MIGHT disappear…..

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