Lots of UNC-CHeat news this week

The Final Four obviously is this weekend. The ACC has two of the four teams in Syracuse and North Carolina. This week has also brought out lots of discussions from a national perspective on the academic scandals at Syracuse and specifically in Chapel Hill. There are too many stories this week to have separate entries so here is a sampling of what has been written and said about UNC this week:

Pat FordeOn Probation vs. Under Investigation

The Final Four matchups are now set. In one national semifinal, we have Villanova vs. Oklahoma. In the other, we have On Probation vs. Under Investigation.

Also known as the Outside Counsel Billable Hours Invitational, underwritten by Bond, Schoeneck & King. Also known as Questions 1 through 30 for NCAA president Mark Emmert, should he have his annual meeting with the media in Houston. Also known as Syracuse vs. North Carolina.

Matt Jones

After that Interview, he was on Twitter as a follow-up:

Andy Katz

ESPN’s Katz interviewed Mark Emmert, president of the NCAA, about several items earlier this week. One of the topics was the UNC scandal.

NCAA president Mark Emmert said the final notice of allegations for the North Carolina investigation into academic fraud “will be done in the coming weeks or a month or so.”

In an interview with ESPN after his news conference Thursday, Emmert said the enforcement staff wants to get it done but also wants to make sure the facts are straight.

“The next step is the delivery of allegations,” Emmert said.

“It’s a great, big, complicated case, and it’s taking a long time to get all the information in place,” Emmert said. “We’re not putting a timetable on it.”

Dan Kane

Kane, who has been investigating this UNC scandal in an excellent way for the past few years with the News and Observer, wrote two articles this week regarding the scandal.

First, he wrote an article in which a 2003 UNC report contradicts what UNC says regarding the number of independent studies classes.

UNC-Chapel Hill, which is under investigation for fraudulent classes involving athletes, has maintained that students were not subjected to a limit on independent studies until the 2006-07 academic year.

That stance appears to have narrowed one key part of the NCAA’s investigation.

But a new document released by the university in March shows that the limit on independent studies started before 2003. Other evidence suggests that the limit was in place since the early 1990s.

In response to a long-standing public records request from The News & Observer, UNC provided a 2003 faculty report that proposed numerous curriculum changes.

Deep within the report, the authors cited a 12-hour independent studies limit. Noting that curriculum changes can’t happen if they run counter to General College and Arts and Sciences guidelines, the report said: “That might mean, for example, considering whether to reaffirm the current rule that an Arts and Sciences student can count toward graduation only twelve hours of independent study.”

The start date of that 12-credit-hour limit is critical because the NCAA considers that athletes who exceeded it received an impermissible benefit.

Going back further than 2006 would add well more than 100 athletes to the list of 10 that the NCAA said exceeded the independent study limit through classes that had no professor, never met and yielded a high grade for an end-of-class paper.

For example, records show many athletes on the 2005 men’s basketball championship team took multiple fake classes, which were directed and graded by a clerical employee in the African studies department – including a star player who took 12 hours’ worth in the spring semester when the team won the title.

His second article was an updated primer on the status of the scandal. Here is one of the questions (and answers):

Q: Men’s basketball coach Roy Williams says there are no NCAA allegations involving men’s basketball. Is that true?

A: No. The NCAA’s case against UNC alleges men’s basketball players received impermissible benefits by receiving special access to the fake classes, largely through the efforts of academic counselors in the athlete support program. Men’s basketball is among the three programs that primarily benefited from the special access. The exhibits along with the notice cite examples of that access, including men’s basketball counselor Wayne Walden working with Crowder to put athletes in the classes. Williams brought Walden to UNC from Kansas.

The notice does not accuse Williams or the coaches of wrongdoing, but the fake classes aided his players, particularly those on the 2005 championship team.

So, before UNC plays Syracuse in the Final Four on Saturday, go through the above links as these topics won’t be addressed much during the game.

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  • #102183

    ruffles31
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    The Final Four obviously is this weekend. The ACC has two of the four teams in Syracuse and North Carolina. This week has also brought out lots of dis
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    #102186

    VaWolf82
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    Good round-up. Thanks for that ruffles!

    #102187

    Rick
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    I hope this means something actually happens to them. I am not convinced shutting meaningful will.

    Interesting the timing on the investigation being done in a ‘few weeks’ very convenient.

    #102188

    bill.onthebeach
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    If the Holes win it all..
    it means Uncle Roy “retires” — or tells the POB to shove it, he’s taking his “buyout” to the Wrightsville Beach….

    I’m cooking some oysters and GOTT a cooler full of cold beer waiting for him…
    Stories will be told…

    #NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
    #102193

    PackerInRussia
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    We still can’t figure out why everyone’s so concerned about the academics in Chapel Hill. We certainly aren’t.

    -UNC

    #102206

    ryebread
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    I heard at least two exchanges last night regarding the scandal. Both Nance and Rafferty seemed to be trying to sweep it under the rug. CBS clearly had their talking point and positions.

    Expect to be woefully disappointed in the outcome. When guys like Kane are finding discrepancies that the NCAA have seemingly missed it is because the NCAA doesn’t want to find them.

    The timing on this has seemingly been decided for quite some time. It was rumored before the season started that nothing would come out until May, giving UNC one more run at a title.

    #102208

    eas
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    Exactly…the cash cow will not be put down by the NCAA. They may or may not get a slap on the hand but too much money will be lost if the flagship sinks. This crap has been going on forever all while we get worse and they get better. I want the ship to sink hard and fast but it’s not going to happen. I wish we had something else to discuss but we don’t because we suck. I love my Pack and hate the holes! However, at the end of the day the results haven’t changed. It is what it is. They cheat and dominate with a future that will remain the same. We bitch (we have good reason to) and our future remains remains the same. Doesn’t mean I’m less of a fan but I’ve finally seen the light. Or should I say accepted it.

    $hit or get off the pot Wolfpack! Let’s make a move, change things up, switch conferences or something. Someone in charge grow a pair and move forward. The Holes are going to make it through this guy’s without much of a scratch. That’s what they do and Walmart still sales their sweatshirts in California. The machine is massive and dirty. Go Pack!

    #102209

    wolfpack92owen
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    Nothing significant is going to happen to unc. I think one would be foolish at this point to assume otherwise.

    #102213

    FergusWolf
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    I predict that not only will UNC get off Scott free, but they will actually be awarded several national championships (most notedly those for basketball in 1974 and 1983) due to the inconvenience heaped on UNC during the lengthy investigations.

    #102215

    pakfanistan
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    We haven’t even seen the final notice of allegations yet…..

    #102217

    Texpack
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    All you doubters may want to bookmark this entry.

    MBB – 3 or 4 year postseason ban Scholly loses cover that same period
    WBB – 3 or 4 year postseason ban Scholly loses cover that same period
    FB – 2 or 3 year postseason ban

    Almost every victory covered by the NOA (2002-2010) gets vacated for these three sports as well as other minor sports

    #102218

    Rick
    Keymaster

    All you doubters may want to bookmark this entry.

    MBB – 3 or 4 year postseason ban Scholly loses cover that same period
    WBB – 3 or 4 year postseason ban Scholly loses cover that same period
    FB – 2 or 3 year postseason ban

    Almost every victory covered by the NOA (2002-2010) gets vacated for these three sports as well as other minor sports

    I hope you are right and will admit I am wrong if this happens. I just don’t see it. The NCAA even timed this so UNC could make this run at a title. Why would they help an organization they are about to hammer?

    #102221

    Rick
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    And every post you call posters Carolina fans because they disagree with you will continue to be deleted.

    #102223

    pakfanistan
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    And every post you call posters Carolina fans because they disagree with you will continue to be deleted.

    ….that’s not what he said either time. I’d prove it but…

    #102225

    hdhntr91
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    Even if the cheats get hammered, they have built a winning machine with the Carolina way and it will continue. The brand has been built on out right cheating.

    #102226

    eas
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    I agree timing is everything and they are holding off until the championship run is complete. Too much money at stake from the lose of a cash cow. The NCAA and heck everyone else in the US (unless you live under a rock) knows about all the wrong that went on over at the Hill. The NCAA has known for a long time and they really don’t give 2 $hits. If they did the hammer would have come down a long time ago. Let’s worry about how to fix the ongoing dumpster fire in Raleigh….

    #102229

    ryebread
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    I know I’m pulling for Nova like no other tomorrow night.

    #102230

    MrPlywood
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    ….that’s not what he said either time. I’d prove it but…

    word

    #102231

    blpack
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    Let’s go Nova! That said, I’m thinking similar to tex on this. They will get beat down for a while. What I don’t see happening is changing their behavior. They will go right back to cheating like crazy under another faux program and telling everyone who will listen their stuff doesn’t stink. It really pathetic, but that is who they are and at this point they don’t believe they have ever done anything wrong. They will bitch about the NCAA sanctions for years and blame the NCAA for everything from the Kennedy assassination to the Great Recession but in the end they are who we thought they were. Liars, cheats, thieves and masters of propaganda.

    #102232

    Texpack
    Participant

    I passed some Tar Hole fan with his puke blue window sticker and NC liscence plate on the way to the airport this afternoon to pick up my wife. I really wanted to flip the guy off, but I resisted. I’m leaving town one the first flight out in the morning so I won’t have to be here if they win.

    The thing people have to remember when the punishment talk starts up is that it’s FIVE LEVEL 1 violations. If the NOA is amended for anything other than ADDING more violations, it will be historic. The NCAA didn’t adjust the timing on this to let the holes play, the holes pulled their self reporting of violations in the transgender tiddlywinks program to stall the resolution of their case. They did this because Roy would have needed up with zero NC’s if they hadn’t. This one is all about Roy Dadgum Williams.

    #102234

    tractor57
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    I have no idea what the eventual punishment will be but it is obvious or friends at the dump on the hump have played the system. They have strung this out and may get a natty in basketball tonight. I tend to agree with Texpack but once again time will tell.

    #102236

    PapaJohn
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    It seems to me this is the worst abuse in history, just because it went on so long and affected so many players. So, from that perspective, it’s hard to imagine the NCAA being able to get away with a minor punishment.
    But there is no doubt that UNC is one of the premier programs in college bball, they are rich, and are throwing everything they have at surviving this – I keep thinking about a murder trial in which we all felt pretty confident he did it, but “the glove didn’t fit.” I’m worried they will buy their way out of appropriate punishment.

    Would love to be proven wrong.

    #102237

    FergusWolf
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    Went to a family lunch on Saturday. My sister-in-law (who is a Carolina grad) was proclaiming the unfairness if the situation that they were going to have to play a bunch of cheaters (meaning Syracuse) on Saturday.

    Apparently she is completely unaware (or blissfully ignorant) that the university she got her degree from was happy to cheapen the value of her degree by giving them away to athletes with no work required…

    Or, maybe she also enjoyed the “no work” classes…I’ll have to ask next time.

    #102239

    WolfWiz11
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    Apparently, Ol Roy doesn’t anticipate any sanctions for men’s bball. Scoot on over to the ESPN front page.

    #102240

    StateRed44
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    He puts on a brave face, has he been tipped off? This probably means there will be wet noodle wrist slaps and he can still cry foul in the media.

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