ACC Basketball Update – One Month In

The first month of conference play seems to have flown by with a number of surprises, both good and bad. UVa’s comeback from down nine with a minute and half to play (ending with a banked in three-pointer at the buzzer) captures both the good and bad depending on which fan base you talk to.

Bill Parcells used to be quoted as saying “You are what your record says you are”. State fans seem to spend a lot of time arguing just the opposite, but I think that Parcells is correct with one important stipulation. In college basketball you can have a gaudy record, but still not be very good on a national level. Good teams prove that they deserve the title by beating other good teams. So let’s see what we can find beneath the standings in the ACC.

 

RPI TABLE

Not a lot of changes from last week. I was hoping that the SYR-ND game last night might provide some useful information on those two teams. But with ND’s best player (Demetrius Jackson) out with a pulled hamstring, I’m not sure that there was any useful information gathered from that shellacking. Both team’s best win was against Duke (suffering from Jefferson’s injury), so we’ll have to keep looking to see just how good these two teams are.

 

RPI Trend Graphs

 

If ND loses Jackson for an extended period of time, I don’t think that the Irish are going to hold their spot in the conference or RPI standings. But he may be back for the weekend game against WF in South Bend. Hamstring injuries can be tricky things with re-injury a constant concern (at least to me). After WF, ND has a tough four game stretch coming up over the next two weeks (@Miami, UNC, @Clemson, and L’ville). Obviously, we’ll know a lot more about what ND’s record says about them pretty soon.

Pitt is also heading into a stretch that will help define them…UVA at home followed by road contests against Miami and UNC.

UVa will bounce back and forth between “easy” and “hard” games for several more weeks. But considering that they’ve already lost to VT and just barely beat WF, they would be foolish to use my classification for any of their games. UVa will get a chance to write their own story over the last two weeks of the season… @Miami, UNC, @Clemson, L’ville. In other words, their position in the conference won’t be clear for a while.

 

 

At this point of the season, there are only two teams that can truly be called Bubble teams…FSU and SYR.

As I mentioned last week, I’m not exactly sure what to say about FSU. From an RPI ranking, they’re in a good position to make a push for an at-large NCAAT bid. I’m just not sure that they are good enough to pull it off. But they have two really good wins (UVA, Florida) and their worst loss is on the road at Clemson. So it’s clearly up to the coaching/team to define themselves for those of us watching (and especially to those of us that are not big Hamilton fans).

Syracuse continues their climb out of the 0-4 start to the ACC regular season. But their two best wins (Duke, ND), came with those teams not at full strength. But it is what it is and Syracuse is clearly within range of earning an at-large bid. One of the announcers last night proclaimed that 9-9 in conference would be good enough for SYR. I would add a few requirements to that….RPI in the 40’s and keeping their three Top-50 wins to go along with a 9-9 ACC record.

 

ACC STANDINGS

 

CLEMSON TAKE TWO

As I reviewed my write-up from last week, I don’t feel that I did a good enough job describing exactly why Clemson is in third place in the ACC with six Top-50 wins and is rated by RPI rankings as “NO CHANCE” at the NCAAT. To be more specific, I spent too much time hammering them for a weak OOC schedule and not enough time hammering them for the poor results against that weak OOC schedule.

Let’s back up and look at a comparison between GT and Clemson as they stand today:

Similar overall records, conference SOS, and RPI Ranking

Huge difference in OOC SOS and Top-50 wins. Significant difference in overall SOS and OOC losses.

Looking at Clemson’s OOC schedule and performance, they suffered five losses against one of the weakest OOC schedules IN THE COUNTRY. That’s poor work in setting up the schedule and extremely poor performance on the court. Add the two together and you get an RPI Ranking of #236 on our January 1 entry. That’s a damn big hole to try and dig yourself out of. But with a 6-2 conference record and every ACC win coming against a Top-50 team, they certainly look to be good enough to complete the climb.

If both teams continue on their current trajectory, GT’s W/L record will slowly drag them down the same path that WF is on. On the other hand, Clemson’s winning percentage will climb and their SOS will improve with almost every ACC game….with both effects improving their RPI. Time will tell whether or not they can complete the task.

 

UPCOMING GAMES


State gets the quick turnaround with a game on Saturday and then flying to Florida St for a Monday night game. Then they are off until Saturday’s (Feb 6) rematch in Durham.

Clemson’s only road win came at Syracuse during Boeheim’s suspension. Saturday starts a three-game road trip against FSU, WF, and VT. It also starts a noticeable let-off in their conference SOS since their first eight games all came against RPI Top-50 teams. Seven of their last 10 conference games come against teams that currently have a losing ACC record. Luckily for Tigger fans, Clemson has enough “big” wins to get into the NCAAT. Right now, they just need more wins of any kind.

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  • #98461

    VaWolf82
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    The first month of conference play seems to have flown by with a number of surprises, both good and bad. UVa’s comeback from down nine with a minute a
    [See the full post at: ACC Basketball Update – One Month In]

    #98464

    Rick
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    I applaud your willingness to study anything basketball related.

    #98465

    13OT
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    Syracuse and Clemson should probably move up one level. Whether Clemson makes it to the Dance is unclear, but I think Syracuse will make the NCAAT.

    The Wolfpack will likely be playing on Tuesday in the ACCT, and Wednesday is their likely ceiling.

    We know BC is in a rebuilding year with a new coach, but I’ve not heard anyone say that the Pack is in a rebuilding year. More like a wrecking ball.

    #98466

    VaWolf82
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    More like this:

    #98467

    VaWolf82
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    Plus, It’s tough to call it rebuilding when you only have one recruit.

    #98468

    Prowling Woofie
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    Pretty sad that it’s still January, and our ceiling is playing ‘standings spoiler’ this season. The best we can do is mess up someone’s tourney seed.

    Gott better hope that Henderson (if he returns), Smith, and Dorn are all second comings of Chris Paul, Dwayne Wade, and Russell Westbrook, or next year will be just as dismal.

    #98475

    Wulfpack
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    We know BC is in a rebuilding year with a new coach,

    Jim Christian is actually in his second year at BC. He went 4-14 last year. He came over from two years at Ohio University.

    #98481

    choppack1
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    Well UVA just worked Louisville over @ Louisville. Tony Bennett and Gott are a good example of polar opposites.

    #98494

    Prowling Woofie
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    Pack just worked over #15 Miami, 85-69. Go figure….

    #98520

    choppack1
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    I missed the part of the game being @ Miami.

    I also didn’t say gott was a bad or even mediocre coach. However, it is obvious to anyone who has eyes that these two approach their craft much differently.

    Gott has enjoyed more success in the NCAA tournament to this point. It will be interesting to see if Bennett’s program makes a move in the NCAA post season.

    #98522

    BJD95
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    I do NOT think TB’s style to this point is well-suited to Big Dance success. That said, at least early in the season, they seemed to be playing much more up-tempo, so perhaps he is recognizing that flaw and adapting.

    #98525

    VaWolf82
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    Syracuse and Clemson should probably move up one level.

    Not unreasonable if you use an “eyeball” test. I’m using criteria derived from my Selection Sunday analysis done a number of years ago and refined slightly over time.

    SYR has a losing conference record. That is not necessarily a crippling issue, but one that would require a significant ACCT win to overcome if we were at the end of the year. Plus their RPI ranking is in the range that you can expect some teams to get passed over every year.

    Clemson’s RPI ranking is worse than any that have ever received an at-large bid to the NCAAT.

    People like Lunardi and Palm evaluate the NCAAT resumes from all across the country (or at least claim to). Then they try to pick the teams with the best resume and fill a preliminary tournament bracket. I have neither the time nor interest to attempt my own total analysis. I just use the end-of-the year criteria to judge the work-in-progress of the ACC season. My method is not perfect by any means, but it provides a fixed measuring stick to evaluate the ACC teams with no speculation about future results required.

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    choppack1
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    A) when it comes to va wolf’s tourney analysis – just soak it in. He will give you the tools to st the very least, be 10X more prepared than most fans and many people who cover college basketball for a living.

    B) BJD – you have said that before and I have to disagree. His approach is very similar to Bo Ryan’s approach and he did very well at wisky. Granted, running up and down the floor is great if you have the horses, but UVA, nor do many other teams in the country have the ability to win that game vs. a Duke or Kentucky or a UNC for that matter.

    OTOH – you can look at Gonzaga – one of the teams that plays great offense at a good pace with questionable D – and you see a team that has consistently played below its seed.

    #98542

    BJD95
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    chop – But there is the catch. Ryan had a remarkable amount of athleticism and played with decent tempo (and quite a bit of offensive proficiency) his championship year.

    It was just camouflaged in honky-tude. 😀

    #98560

    choppack1
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    Bennett’s last couple of teams have been efficient offensively. Don’t confuse our slow pace which usually results in bad shots with UvA’s- where they rely on the solid principals of good spacing for their shots.

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