Giglio lays out Pack’s Bowl scenarios

It’s hard to complain about NC State’s bowl options in a season where we really didn’t do much with our opportunities. Forget the UNC game for a moment, losses in VERY winnable games vs Louisville and Virginia Tech changed the complexion of the season and now we are at the mercy of the ‘Bowl Gods’.

As is the case every year, the national media simply doesn’t have the horsepower or time to truly understand all of the nuances of bowl selection. For example, Jerry Palm’s Bowl Projections on CBS Sports shows the Military Bowl choosing Pitt and the Pinstripe Bowl choosing State. I don’t even know if that is possible based on the ‘geographic slotting’ that happens in the different bowl tiers as it would feel as though Pitt would end up in NYC and State would end up in the Military. Nonetheless, Joe Giglio – who has much more ‘inside’ info – highlights that the key cog in that scenario is that the Military is leaning towards choosing Duke (over State) to match up with Navy. If that is a surprise to you, then you need to realize that in 2015 things are different than they were 10 to 20 years ago — TELEVISION ratings drive bowl choices much more than selling tickets.

One thing to remember, the entire bowl landscape is fluid and is highly reliant on dominoes that fall in front of you. If another bowl goes ‘off script’ or ultimately chooses to go a direction that serves as a surprise for some reason then things can change quickly. You may remember that State was knocked out of the Belk Bowl last year when Notre Dame ‘fell’ out of the New Year’s games and therefore took a spot in the ACC’s order that knocked State down a slot. Giglio is stating that very scenario could help State this year if/as Florida State is able to hold onto a New Year’s Six bowl bid.

IF FLORIDA STATE MOVES UP, THERE WOULD BE A SPOT IN EITHER THE TAXSLAYER OR MUSIC CITY FOR AN ACC TEAM. N.C. STATE AND LOUISVILLE (7-5) ARE THE TWO TEAMS CONSIDERED TO HAVE THE BEST CHANCE AT GOING TO THE FORMER GATOR BOWL.

One thing is for sure, it would be very nice for Coach Doeren to find at least the semblance of a signature win in this year’s bowl game.

You can read Giglio’s entire article linked here.

The ACC bowl selections will be determined next Sunday after the CFP games are set.

One thing was clear on Saturday, N.C. State would have been in Charlotte for the Belk Bowl on Dec. 30 if it had beaten the Tar Heels.

After falling behind 35-7 in the first quarter on Saturday, that bid was squashed for the Wolfpack, which won the Belk Bowl in 2005 and 2011.

The Belk Bowl has the first option of choosing Virginia Tech (6-6) among the ACC’s Tier I bowl games. Since it’s coach Frank Beamer’s last game, the Hokies will likely be playing in Charlotte.

N.C. State did get some help from Florida State on Saturday night. The Seminoles’ 27-2 win over Florida might move them up high enough in the CFP rankings to qualify for an at-large spot in a “New Year’s 6” bowl.

Florida State was ranked No. 13 last week by the CFP committee and Florida was No. 12. Last year. The lowest-ranked team to get an at-large spot last year was No. 10.

If Florida State moves up, there would be a spot in either the TaxSlayer or Music City for an ACC team. N.C. State and Louisville (7-5) are the two teams considered to have the best chance at going to the former Gator Bowl.

If Florida State doesn’t qualify for an “NY6” game, which is based strictly on the rankings, than the Noles would take the ACC’s spot in the Gator Bowl.

The Independence Bowl in Shreveport, La. and the Quick Lane Bowl in Detroit are in what the ACC calls its “Tier II” bowls.

The Military Bowl in Annapolis, Md. gets the first choice among Tier II bowls and is likely to select Duke (7-5) to face Navy.

The Independence Bowl picks after the Military Bowl and would potentially have a choice between N.C. State and Louisville, depending on what happens with Florida State.

The Detroit bowl picks last in Tier II and would not get an ACC team if FSU moved up to a NY6 game. If FSU stays in the ACC pool, Detroit would get the team, either State or Louisville, that the Independence doesn’t take.

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  • #93665

    StateFans
    Keymaster

    It’s hard to complain about NC State’s bowl options in a season where we really didn’t do much with our opportunities. Forget the UNC game for a momen
    [See the full post at: Giglio lays out Pack’s Bowl scenarios]

    #93666

    Wulfpack
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    Too many bowls:

    College football decision-makers have considered allowing some bowls to not be played this year given that not enough teams are eligible, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said Sunday.

    Although bowls going dark seems unlikely to happen this season, there is deep frustration by some administrators within college football that teams with 5-7 records will be in the postseason. At least two 5-7 teams, and possibly up to five, would have to participate since there aren’t enough 6-6 teams to fill the 80 slots created by a record 40 bowl games. About five cities have applied to stage future bowls.

    “If we add more bowls next year, where are we going to find 84, 86, 88 eligible teams?” said Bowlsby, chairman of the Football Oversight Committee. “Having bowls go dark may be the way to slow the process down. There are a lot of people that don’t even like 6-6, much less 5-7. There are people who absolutely want bowls to go dark.”

    When asked if going dark is a viable possibility this season, Bowlsby replied, “The problem with them going dark is you don’t end up with both sides (of the participating teams) not being filled. So you’re penalizing a team that did everything it should.”

    #93667

    tractor57
    Participant

    To me there is a real issue when teams with losing records go to bowl games. The Pack’s standing to me should be iffy along with all other teams in the same category. Granted I’m very old school but I remember when a bowl invite was something special – any bowl for most teams. Days gone by.

    #93668

    BJD95
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    TV importance being paramount makes sense. That applies to me, too. Much rather play an SEC team in Shreveport (better TV viewing) than Navy in DC, since not going regardless.

    #93669

    tractor57
    Participant

    There is so much football on TV these days I skip most of it. No longer are bowl games so special. I can remember the day when my FIL (dyed in the wool Clemson fan) would rig up multiple TV’s for New Year’s Day. In those days any bowl game was special. Today I’m more likely than not to skip …

    #93674

    Texpack
    Participant

    Shreveport Baby! The dominoes are about to fall for my dream scenario.

    #93675

    Wufpacker
    Participant

    Shreveport Baby! The dominoes are about to fall for my dream scenario.

    Just doesn’t have the same street cred without the “Poulan Weedwhacker” or “Duck Fuhrer” sponsorship, IMHO.
    I guess the “Let’s Sleep in the Woods” Independence Bowl does have a nice ring though.

    I mean, it’s no Bitcoin, but…

    #93677

    ruffles31
    Keymaster

    Lots of good practice reps for McLendon and the younger/redshirting players.

    And I used to love hearing the commentators try to say Poulan Weedeater bowl. Awesome.

    #93684

    PapaJohn
    Participant

    I agree with about everyone on this, there are too many bowls. Bowl attendance is devalued to a point that the most that the majority can hope for is a strong turnout by the fan base, and solid regional TV coverage. Everyone I know feels that way. I used to love them, but no more. I typically watch our game, maybe the national championship game, and the NFL.

    HOWEVER, the players and coaches love it. The coaches love the 20 (i think) additional practices they get, and the players like being rewarded with a trip and being treated like celebrities.

    So, who cares if there are too many bowls? The kids and coaches get rewarded for a season of hard work. Sooner or later, ‘king capitalism’ will determine if they are viable and shut them down if they aren’t.

    #93690

    Pack85EE
    Participant

    I try to watch all the ACC games and most of the big games outside the conference. Don’t know why folks bitch about lots of football to watch. But the only losing records that make sense would be a 6-6 team that lost their Championship game – AKA UCLA. Hey, the Panthers made the playoffs last year with a losing record. They were worthy.

    #93697

    tractor57
    Participant

    I understand why the coaches and teams like a bowl – any bowl for most teams but I as a fan simply am over saturated. Sort of like I am with college BB on TV. Years ago when both were in less supply I watched most all. These days I watch some and skip many. That might be one of the current issues with ESPN and their financial problems. I appreciate the TV of the games I wish to see but I still think there are too many bowl games as a fan of college football.

    #93698

    Wulfpack
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    Missouri, at 5-7, has announced it is declining any invitation to a bowl, focusing instead on hiring its new coach and beginning the transition.

    #93699

    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    As a veteran of “short list” bowl games. I say…

    “Let ’em play another!”

    #93704

    Wufpacker
    Participant

    Missouri, at 5-7, has announced it is declining any invitation to a bowl, focusing instead on hiring its new coach and beginning the transition.

    In a related note, Herb Sendek has announced he is not a candidate for the Mizzou FB HC opening.

    #93705

    tractor57
    Participant

    ‘Dog I do respect your view. I happen to look at it differently as a fan. I do remember tossing Tangerines on to the Carter field back in the day.

    #93706

    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    ‘Dog I do respect your view. I happen to look at it differently as a fan. I do remember tossing Tangerines on to the Carter field back in the day.

    I meant when there was only 12.

    #93711

    tractor57
    Participant

    I do remember those days obviously and yes that was too few. Today too many.

    #93712

    Wulfpack
    Participant

    I just thought the article I posted was timely and interesting. I’m happy for the kids going out that they get one more, and glad to have the extra practice time for our boys.

    As big of a football fan as I am, I don’t watch the majority of them. Part of that is just my crazy holiday schedule with work/friends/family commitments. But I do try to keep tabs on who did what.

    #93718

    WolfBlood86
    Participant

    WHAT!?!?! No mention of ECU’s virtual bowl game this year. What a shame…

    #93721

    john of sparta
    Participant

    bowl games are holiday programming
    content for TV/radio/internet.
    would not surprise me to see
    NBCSN sponsor a bowl.

    #93724

    VaWolf82
    Keymaster

    There are too many Kardashians, too many idiots haranguing endlessly about politics, and too many home shopping channels. But there is not too much college football.

    #93727

    13OT
    Participant

    The bowl that State gets will most likely be a high-priced affair in a faraway place few care about traveling to, against an opponent who would look like State’s OOC opponents this season. What is to be gained here? I went to the old school that taught me to believe that a bowl game was a reward for a good season. This has been a lousy season, one that I believe was even worse than the last one.

    I say put State and Duke in the same bowl. After 5 or 6 years, isn’t it about time that we got to play them again on the gridiron? And for goodness sakes, play the game in Boise or somewhere way out west, since the schools are only 25 miles apart.

    Or, heaven forbid, start letting these awful bowls be played on the home field of the higher-seeded team. At least give one set of fans some semblance of a reason to attend.

    #93734

    LRM
    Keymaster

    For all those who long for the old days:

    Remember that when State last won the ACC we didn’t even get a bowl.

    And the Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance days had bowl match ups set by early November.

    #93735

    ryebread
    Participant

    This will be significantly improved when the playoff goes to 16 teams. The lesser bowls will get the first round and there will be 15 meaningful games spread out over 3 weekends. That will pretty much cover the viewing appetite of the average “fan.”

    There will be some other exhibition game type bowls, but those will only be watched by the alums and fans of the teams participating. That’s pretty much how it is now. These will likely be broadcasted by the networks that don’t get the playoff, so there will be money there because they want some sort of holiday programming. I suspect most of these will fall to the week days so they can air without competition from the meaningful games.

    As for the current bowl structure, unless there’s a game that is within local proximity, a destination that I’d just want to visit, or one of the top tier bowls, there’s really no sense in going. There’s absolutely no sense in going to the Boise bowl for instance.

    #93743

    choppack1
    Participant

    I need to catch up on the news…apparently, a law was passed dictating that I have to watch mid and lower-tiered bowl games.

    To me, what is more interesting is the impact of the bowl game on the existing upper tier games and the cascading effect of this on both bowl and regular season attendance and viewership.

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