Byting college BBall’s decline + Sunday’s Tourney preview & open thread

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If you ever wondered about the deterioration of college basketball then trying to watch some of yesterday’s games should jolt you into reality. Many of the games were unwatchable as either both teams suck at offense or the refs allow a football game on defense away from the ball. We’re not asking for NC State-NCCU fouls or no defense, but allowing the hockey matches to go on off the ball is making for really crappy games.

If you haven’t watched the NBA in recent years then you may have missed how the NBA doesn’t have is a bunch of uncalled hacking fouls like college basketball, despite the rule changes. The Association decided it was going to take rough play out of the game and forced the referees to enforce those rules. College ball tried that this year, but as the season went on, the calls slowly reverted back to the same old same old. Schools like UVA and St. Louis benefitted from the rugby rules and it just goes to prove that the NCAA doesn’t have the ability or the stomach to reign in its referees and hold them to a given standard.

Let’s quickly turn the page from yesterday’s action to today’s action. The following is a consolidation of interesting facts and observations (some originally from people we follow on Twitter) regarding Saturday’s results and Sunday’s games to be played:

=====>>>>> I don’t like Syracuse. I mean, I can’t stand them. I have disliked them since an obnoxious yankee moved to my hometown in the early 80s and couldn’t shut up about “The Cuse” (which, of course, his parents didn’t even attend). I mean, I dislike Syracuse so much that there are probably going to be some times when I may pull of UNC over the Orange. (We’ll have to see about that.) With this said, I’ve always appreciated the Orange’s relative underperformance in the NCAA Tournament. So, when No. 11 Dayton upset No. 3 Syracuse on Saturday night in the Round of 32, Syracuse head coach Jim Boeheim became the first coach in history to have six NCAA tournament losses to double-digit seeds. By contrast, Michigan State’s Tom Izzo is 15-0 in NCAA Tournament vs teams seeded 12th or worse. Coming into the game, Boeheim was one of six coaches with five losses to double-digit seeds along with coaches Mike Brey, Mike Krzyzewski, John Thompson III, Bob Knight, and Bobby Cremins. As for teams, Syracuse is now tied with UCLA and Oklahoma for the most losses to teams seeded 11th or worse in NCAA Tournament history.

=====>>>>> Less than 4% of ESPN’s brackets had Archie Miller’s Dayton Flyers advancing to the Sweet 16.

=====>>>>> Most of America agreed that Iowa State was going to advance over UNC-CH today…that was until the Cyclones’ lost their starting power forward Georges Niang to a broken foot in Friday’s game. Niang was one of the top players in the Big 12 this season averaging over 16 points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists a game on 47% shooting. ISU’s offense runs through Niang; and the Cyclones do not have a ton of depth at the position on their roster. Compare the classic Carolina luck to that of ‘NC State Shit’ and you will cycle into despair.

=====>>>>> Here is an interesting stat from ESPN — since 2001, the Atlantic 10 is 5-5 vs the ACC in NCAA Tournament games. Before that, the ACC was 12-0 vs A-10 in the Tournament. St. Louis’ win over NC State and Dayton’s big win over Syracuse was big for the A-10.

=====>>>>> Want another way to look at the A-10? After all of Shaka Smart’s promotion the only team that remains for the conference is Dayton. In fact, their regular season Champion, St. Louis, experienced their LARGEST DEFICIT OF THE ENTIRE YEAR against NC State on Thursday night and then again experienced it on Saturday vs Louisville. Hard for me to imagine how ‘tough’ the conference is when the ACC’s 7th place team can hand their champion their largest deficit of the year and the ACC’s 9th place team (FSU) defeated beat the A-10?s 2nd (VCU) & 4th (UMass) this year.

=====>>>>> I found the statistic in the following tweet fascinating. It will be interesting to see if the trend continues today and negatively impacts Arizona and Virginia.

As for today, you can click here to set the stage with key information, point spreads, etc.

12:15, CBS
(2) Kansas vs (10) Stanford
Announcers: Jim Nantz / Greg Anthony // Tracy Wolfson
Spread: Kansas -6

2:45, CBS
(1) Wichita State vs (8) Kentucky
Announcers: Jim Nantz / Greg Anthony // Tracy Wolfson
Spread: Wichita State -4.5

5:15, CBS
(3) Iowa State vs (6) North Carolina
Announcers: Marv Albert / Steve Kerr // Craig Sager
Spread: Iowa State -1.5

6:10, TNT
(11) Tennessee vs (14) Mercer
Announcers: Kevin Harlan / Len Elmore // Reggie Miller /// Rachel Nichols
Spread: Tennessee -8

7:10, TBS
(4) UCLA vs (12) Stephen F. Austin
Announcers: Andrew Catalon / Mike Gminski // Otis Livingston
Spread: UCLA -9

7:45, TruTv
(3) Creighton vs (6) Baylor
Announcers: Marv Albert / Steve Kerr // Craig Sager
Spread: Creighton -3

8:40, TNT
(1) Virginia vs (8) Memphis
Announcers: Kevin Harlan / Len Elmore // Reggie Miller /// Rachel Nichols
Spread: Virginia -6

9:40, TBS
(1) Arizona vs (8) Gonzaga
Announcers: Andrew Catalon / Mike Gminski // Otis Livingston
Spread: Arizona -7

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  • #49318
    StateFans
    Keymaster

    Well, if you ever wondered about the deterioration of college basketball then trying to watch some of yesterday’s games should jolt you into reality.
    [See the full post at: Byting college BBall’s decline + Sunday’s Tourney preview & open thread]

    #49328
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    We should not be talking junk about other conferences when only two ACC teams remain in this thing.

    UNC must be living right. They survive Providence. Then get an injured ISU. And if they win, they get UCONN as the Huskies beat Nova. Red carpet is out for the Heels to advance to the Elite 8.

    I sincerely hope UVA wins to set the matchup with Michigan State. That would be an awesome defensive game that I hope we can see.

    #49329
    StateFans
    Keymaster

    The ACC doesn’t have be doing great for me to take a position on the weakness of the Atlantic 10.

    #49331
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Rings pretty hollow considering we lost to an A10 team that had a guy playing on one leg.

    #49333
    eas
    Participant

    I’m just glad Syracuse lost, especially to Archie! I absolutely cannot stand Syracuse, Kentucky and UNC. Too be frank I hate Syracuse and Kentucky the most almost totally due to there arrogant, full of $hit, A-hole coaches. UNC is for obvious reasons but I do admit (although shamefully) I do pull for the Holes over Syracuse.

    Yes the ACC is not looking to well in the Tournament at the moment.

    One more time, Way to go Archie!!!!!

    #49336
    highstick
    Participant

    It started declining long ago…a long time ago! At least the Harlem Globetrotter games are funny!

    "Whomp 'em, Up, Side the Head"!

    #49344
    StateFans
    Keymaster

    2pm EST — Everytime I look up Kansas has a ball rimming out or just barely clanging off the rim. Wiggins just missed a lay up. Freaky

    #49352
    PackFamily
    Participant

    The schitzo analysis of Gott is crazy. Plenty of voices on here when we made the tourney were praising him. Now, there is again talk of firing him, buying him out, etc. I realize these are different voices on each side, but come on.

    #49359
    Tuffy2
    Participant

    Gott takes us to 3 straight NCAA tourn and you really think there should be talk of firing the man? Yes, defense is not one of his strong points among a few others but please!

    #49362
    JohnGalt78
    Participant

    Alert: PJ HAIRYSTONE apparently found a gun on the side of the road in Chapel Hell. Whole f’ing place on lockdown.

    #49363
    Alpha Wolf
    Keymaster

    The schitzo analysis of Gott is crazy. Plenty of voices on here when we made the tourney were praising him. Now, there is again talk of firing him, buying him out, etc. I realize these are different voices on each side, but come on.

    Agreed. Maybe it is the excruciating way that the team lost on Thursday, but the reality is that Gottfried took a team that lost almost all of its scoring, all of its upperclassmen save Vandenberg and managed to exceed what many people said was their ceiling.

    Next year, most everyone from this team is returning. Losing TJ Warren is of course a concern, but with Washington/Freeman, we should be okay, especially as they will be a year older, stronger and smarter.

    That’s not going to get any coach bought out. Getting fired is crazy talk.

    #49365
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    Ugh, Kentucky.

    #49367
    eas
    Participant

    +1, yuck Kensucky…Cal is on the phone at the moment with Raleigh working in another raise.

    #49371
    Alpha Wolf
    Keymaster

    Me, I am glad to see Wichita State gone. I got tired of hearing how great they are…far as I am concerned, they were a 3rd or 4th place ACC quality team playing in a weak conference. Southern Illinois and Missouri State? Yeah, that’s some top flight conference competition.

    #49372
    TheCOWDOG
    Moderator

    Shocker fans are calling for heads over that time out.

    #49373
    pakfanistan
    Participant

    Me, I am glad to see Wichita State gone. I got tired of hearing how great they are…far as I am concerned, they were a 3rd or 4th place ACC quality team playing in a weak conference. Southern Illinois and Missouri State? Yeah, that’s some top flight conference competition.

    Did you watch them play this year?

    #49374
    Packzingo
    Participant

    I find it comical that anyone can even complain about Gott after the past 20+yrs of Les, Herb and Sid……… Certainly plays and personnel are easy
    marks to point out “after” the game, I do it all the time!!

    So whats the latest on BB recruits? Any talk on Juco options? Big’s?
    The Wolfpack has taken it on the chin in all sports over the past few days, anything of encouragement out there?

    #49375
    Whiteshoes67
    Participant

    ^Few of the several hundred posts during/after the St. Louis game call for Gott’s firing. Probably 2-3 posters, tops.

    Concerning Wichita State, that’s a top 4 team without question. If you saw KY play FL, they looked good in that game. Preseason #1 in a lot of polls, they played their tails off tonight. Wichita State likely wouldn’t have run through a major conference undefeated, but they’d still have found themselves seeded highly. I hate the late game timeout, especially if you’re only leaving yourself 3-4 seconds to get a shot. Early needed to touch the ball.

    #49378
    MISTA WOLF
    Participant


    @PackZingo
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    There’s a transfer from Temple we are after. Hell of a ball player by the way. Last name is Lee. First name has escaped me.

    #49381
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Wichita State was legit. They played great today. Kentucky was just a possession better. Kentucky is going to give Lville all they can handle, and more.

    Heels lost, hurray. The ACC is having an abysmal tourney. UVA is our only hope. If they find a way today, Izzo and Michigan State await in a defensive battle.

    #49383
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    Yes ISU.

    #49384
    MrPlywood
    Participant

    @Packzingo – State has a newly minted wrestling National Champion, Nick Gwiazdowski.

    NC State’s Gwiazdowski wins NATIONAL TITLE!

    #49387
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    Crazy tourney stat – First time since 1979 that no team from NC advanced to the Sweet 16.

    #49400
    13OT
    Participant

    5 down, 1 to go for Swofford’s “new ACC”!

    #49402
    Wulfpack
    Participant

    5 down, 1 to go for Swofford’s “new ACC”!

    People say this, but fail to explain exactly how it is his fault.

    And if it weren’t for Cuse and Pitt, this league would have REALLY stunk.

    This will be the best basketball league in the land.

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