For NC State Football, There’s No Place To Go But Up

With all due respect to Duke and its rising football fortunes, NC State’s football program probably hit rock bottom yesterday in Durham.

After having taken the lead in a close game midway through the fourth quarter, the Wolfpack proceeded to implode with a ferocity rarely seen in major division college football: the defense gave the lead right back after a relentless Duke drive, and down four with around three and a half minutes to go, the offense proceeded to throw two pick-six interceptions on consecutive plays.  That said, in the course of three short minutes, State went from leading a tight game by three with the clock starting to melt to having no chance at all of victory.

The usual suspects were the cause of this dumpster fire: poor tackling on defense, poor decision making at quarterback, poor blocking from the offensive line when State needed it most, and most importantly, a complete loss of poise from the skilled position players on the field.  One of the Duke interceptions was made when quarterback Brandon Mitchell was on his way to the ground for a short sack, but instead of taking the loss of yardage and regrouping, Mitchell instead decided inexplicably to throw pass that was then batted into the air like a volleyball by Devon Edwards, who then caught the ball himself and strutted into the end zone to put the game away.  Then, on the next series, Mitchell was replaced by Pete Thomas, who threw another pick six on the first play of the series by putting the ball into Edwards’ hands once again, resulting in another touchdown the wrong way.

Some may say that was the result of a having a quarterback onto the field who is not suited for ACC play, while other fans screamed in the direction of the coaches.  Both are legitimate points, but perhaps the simplest answer is this: NC State is a team with no depth and little high caliber talent available in the 2013 season.  Perhaps the only player who would have a chance to start on Florida State or Clemson, the league leaders, would be kicker Nicklas Sade, and perhaps of all of the players who were available for Duke, none would crack Clemson or Florida State’s second string — save for running back Shardrach Thornton and wide receiver Rashard Smith.

That leaves head coach Dave Doeren with a nearly impossible task — putting a winning team onto the field.  One could question why, given the personnel problems, Doeren and offensive coordinator Matt Canada have  chosen to change the offensive style and not to retain the incumbent Pro-Set style of offense that were the hallmarks of the Tom O’Brien and Dana Bible era, but the answer is that wouldn’t work well either — not with a banged-up patchwork offensive line that has trouble opening holes in the opposition defense and keeping the pass rush away from the quarterback.  Coupled with QB’s who can’t pass well, that would result in an offense as poor as the one that went nuclear upon itself in the last few minutes inside Wallace Wade Stadium yesterday.

Then there is the quarterback position itself: gone is NFL starter Mike Glennon, a player who has acquitted himself well in his first year playing on Sundays.  In his stead are a converted wide receiver who the game has never slowed down for, and he is backed up by a relatively immobile but somewhat weak-armed player who the game has also never slowed down for.  Both quarterbacks have made horrible decisions throwing the ball at key points of tight games, and both seem to lock down on one receiver or one side of the field and not perform their check-downs to find the open guy who they could get positive yards from.  While the running backs and receivers have played well enough, they can’t overcome those weaknesses, especially in the red zone and the recipe for a weak offense is thus mixed thoroughly and put in the oven.  That’s left NC State eating its own humble pie more often than not this season, and it is something that has left a horrible taste in the mouths of its rabid fans.

What State needs are athletes at every position, players who have size, strength and speed, plus a desire to compete through the final whistle.  Doeren and staff are busily recruiting players with those skills at the prep level, but this year he has nothing much to work with…and it shows.  Doeren has put together a pretty solid group for next year, but integrating them into the team and molding an effective unit will take time.

Taken in summary, that leaves a team with no place to go but upwards…it can’t get much worse than it is right now.

And it leaves a simple question: when will that happen?  The answer, right now, to that is equally simple: your guess is as good as mine.  The only thing we know with any certainty is that it won’t be this year.

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67 Responses to For NC State Football, There’s No Place To Go But Up

  1. tjfoose1 11/10/2013 at 10:19 PM #

    Hey John,

    Playing the pompous-know-it-all card doesn’t make dumb comments less stupid. 2 + 2 still doesn’t equal 5.

    Ayn Rand would not be impressed. She promoted reason, not uninformed group think.

  2. tjfoose1 11/10/2013 at 10:28 PM #

    ” It simply makes no sense for Duke to remain off
    our schedule until 2020, while we are forced,
    EVERY SEASON, to play Syracuse, Boston College
    and now Louisville. We need local rivals, not trips
    to Boston, Canada and northern Kentucky.”

    Amen to that. Thanks Swofford.

  3. vtpackfan 11/10/2013 at 10:28 PM #

    The majority of the last two classes are filled with what should be 2* recruits. When you refuse to recruit Florida, get the NC preps that rank between 30 and 60, and hit Broughton, Leesville and Cardinal Gibbons as good as we have then a 60th ranked recruiting class is as good as a 90 th.

    That’s not even counting the FCS schools who have attracted better talent.

  4. coach13 11/10/2013 at 10:49 PM #

    I’m just anxious who the heck is gonna be our QB next season. Got to be some talented recruits know they could step in and start next year.

  5. tjfoose1 11/10/2013 at 11:30 PM #

    Are the masses here not aware of Jacoby Brissett? You should watch him on game day. Though he’s redshirting, I don’t think there’s a more involved player on the sidelines.

  6. TeufelWolf 11/11/2013 at 12:17 AM #

    Jacoby Brissett is going to be the QB next year. Even DD said (preseason) that “this will be remembered as the year before Jacoby Brissett”. That is a helluva statement AND makes much more sense now that we have experienced most of this season.

    Hopefully the team hasn’t given up. Hopefully recruits still see value in playing for Wolfpack fans and an getting an NC State education. Hopefully next year is much better. I don’t think I could hit on anything that hasn’t been put more intelligently already by some of you but I do think it is worth reiterating how good we had it with Russell Wilson and Mike Glennon. I am happy I got to watch them play and happy they were here to keep us from experiencing more seasons like this.

  7. Alpha Wolf 11/11/2013 at 12:23 AM #

    Brissette may be the second coming, but I am old enough to remember Philip Rivers’ senior year and how the team fell short of expectations thanks to a woeful offensive line that made running the ball a difficult task. That in turn made the passing game a more difficult proposition because defenses could expect it and plan for it. And since Philip had less time than he’d have liked in the pocket, things were even more difficult for him than they could have been.

    I do know this, and an astute football fan will quickly agree: as goes your offensive line, so goes your offense. No line, no offense. Simple as that.

    Looking through the list of commits for next years, we have three OL players coming in, assuming none change their mind and all qualify. We need more.

  8. rthomas44 11/11/2013 at 3:14 AM #

    Glennon has not won a game . I don’t miss him. I will continue to support NCSU with my money and butt in the seat but I can’t stand anymore fake punts.

  9. Wulfpack 11/11/2013 at 5:59 AM #

    It isn’t just about the QB, though it will certainly help. We have many deficiencies that must be addressed or else we are a losing program in the years ahead.

  10. Pack85EE 11/11/2013 at 9:49 AM #

    For the uninformed who don’t seem to know what DD has done for this year’s team in recruiting alone: Two sophomore O linemen that are starting that were not even on the roster. He knew the O line sucked and found these guys who could help. True freshman Rcvr in the rotation, A starting CB. A couple of QBs who have helped. He seems to have a good idea for talent, or lack there of as the places he has tried to shore up have been our weakest areas. He certainly must have seen that right away when he got here because he made it his focus. I expect us to be better next year, probably make a bowl game.

  11. Master 11/11/2013 at 10:52 AM #

    You can claim bad coaching decisions all you want, but sometimes bad players, missed assignments, failure to get in position, etc. just make a decent or good decision look bad.

  12. Mike 11/11/2013 at 11:07 AM #

    Saturday, we were all feeling pretty good late in 4th Qtr with a defensive stop between us and a victory. Progress sometimes come slower than expected.

    Having said that, I will be in CF Nov 23 and 30 cheering OUR team to hopefully 2 wins.

    As for DD, yes, he has made some interesting calls but I will also say props to him for thinking outside the box. Frankly, we should be able to gain a yard on 4th and 1 against a team Pitt of all people put up 58 points. We should be able to man up on the line against Duke and gain a yard, no matter where we are on the field. Hindsight shows we could not, bad decision, but at this point in the season, why not? Shows he is willing to take a risk or two, good for DD.

  13. gumby 11/11/2013 at 11:08 AM #

    If not expecting us to be this bad this season is unrealistic, then damn near every single Pack fan fits that definition. Someone please show me the articles and blogs prior to the beginning of the season where the dire results and lack of talent were cited. If it’s there, so be it. Otherwise this all sounds like revisionist history.

  14. Mike 11/11/2013 at 11:09 AM #

    Also, I cannot believe some of the posters who have no clue who Brissett is. Is he the wonderkid? We will find out, but his credentials speak loudly.

    Fair weather fans – sounds like 30 miles over on I-40. We are a team, win together, lose together, but united we need to be. TOB left us nothing and injuries (once again) have hurt us. No excuses though, man up and be ready next week.

  15. TheCOWDOG 11/11/2013 at 11:59 AM #

    You can betchure ass I thank ‘foose for posting here.

  16. tjfoose1 11/11/2013 at 2:26 PM #

    “Someone please show me the articles and blogs prior to the beginning of the season where the dire results and lack of talent were cited.”

    There were plenty who predicted 5 to 7 wins IF we remained healthy. Take the injuries (I think 9 starters were out at one point) and extrapolate.

  17. VaWolf82 11/11/2013 at 4:48 PM #

    “Someone please show me the articles and blogs prior to the beginning of the season where the dire results and lack of talent were cited.”

    As one that has argued against the delusionally optimistic in the past, I have given up. Now I just shake my head when they began to bray.

    I know that BJD said it on a number of different occasions. I also said several times that State has never had an above-average season without above-average QB play. This year certainly reinforces that conclusion.

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