A Most Accurate Assessment

All of this talk of mid-field logos and such has detracted from the truth of things.

I myself made mention of the fact that tomorrow’s game was relegated to the dreaded 12:30pm Raycom TV slot a couple-ish weeks ago, and it was mentioned again since then.  Without going back and reviewing the comments about that, if there even were any, my guess is that they probably had more to do with how much Raycom sucks (which admittedly is true) or how much the ACC office sucks (again, true).

So, why are mid-field logos and how unoriginal they might or might not be really a moot point?

Because no one outside of our two fan bases gives a flying f-ck about this game.  And why should they?

Does anyone other than ECU fans care about that logo we’ll so proudly unveil tomorrow?  Hell no.  I might be the only person outside of the state of North Carolina who will even see that blasted thing.

Here is the unfortunate truth of things.  At least historically speaking.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

UNC-NC State football: A state of despair (NewsObserver.com) (Bold added by me, as usual)

The fiercest college football rivalry this state has to offer will again kick off Saturday at 12:30 p.m. – the time reserved for the castaway games and the rejects, the ones too mundane and too irrelevant for primetime or even a 3:30 regional broadcast.


The Carolina-State game, as it’s known from Wilmington to Watauga County, has remained an in-state attraction. Unlike North Carolina’s best high school football players, though, interest in the rivalry stops at the state line and remains within the borders. The repeated appearances on the ACC Network – instead of ESPN or ABC – is proof of that.


It’s not to say that the state’s five in-state FBS (formerly Division I-A) programs – Duke, N.C. State, UNC, Wake Forest and East Carolina – haven’t experienced stretches of success. There have been plenty of teasers.

Wake Forest in 2006 won the ACC championship. N.C. State won a school-record 11 games under Chuck Amato in 2002. UNC ascended into the top five under Mack Brown in 1997, and perhaps was on the cusp of a similar ascension under Butch Davis before scandal erupted. And Duke is bowl eligible for the second consecutive season – a first for the school.


Recruiting data suggests Jones’ assertion has merit. The best prospects in North Carolina leave at a greater rate than in neighboring states. According to Rivals.com, North Carolina has produced nearly as many four- and five-star prospects – those considered the best of the best – as Virginia during the past 10 years.

Half of Virginia’s prospects – 50 out of 102 – remained in state. In North Carolina, 35 of its 96 four- and five-star prospects did so, according to Rivals. That’s the lowest retention rate among North Carolina’s four neighbors.

It’d be one thing if in-state programs were losing those players after recruiting them as hard as some out-of-state programs. But that isn’t always the case, said Jim Bob Bryant, who has led Havelock High to consecutive 3A state championships.


This season, Bryant’s best player is Derrell Scott, one of the top running back prospects in the nation. Scott, Bryant said, is most seriously considering South Carolina, Tennessee and N.C. State. That he’s considering the Wolfpack is a credit to Doeren and N.C. State’s new coaching staff, Bryant said.

“Coach Doeren, he’s been to our school three times since he’s been hired there, and been to one of our games,” Bryant said. “Where the last head coach (Tom O’Brien) never came to my school.”

OK, that’s more than enough quotes from the article I suppose.  But there’s way more, so do go read it.

The last quote has me hopeful that this trend might change.  But who can say?

It’s no secret that recruiting has been in the dumpster for us not only recently, but always.  But to not even make an effort is really a putrid way to run a program.  Looking back, I’m actually amazed that we did as well under TOB as we did, all things considered.

So how does that change?

Hopefully, an energetic and creative coaching staff, which I’m hopeful that we now have (though the jury is still waaaayyyy out on that determination, admittedly) would be a good start.

Kicking some Tar Heel hiney tomorrow, even though no one much will see it, would help too.

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15 Responses to A Most Accurate Assessment

  1. bill.onthebeach 11/02/2013 at 6:08 AM #

    Facts is facts…. whether you like them or not.

    Same story / quote was published in the Fayetteville Observer regarding the former basketball coach…. IIRC…. the High School Coach in that story said after Coach Gott came to see him “that it had been twenty years since a Wolfpack bball Coach had been to his school”.

    At least we don’t have to ‘plain all this to Dr. Deb.

    Now….We play Holes today, Dook next week and ECU in a couple weeks….

    And…. as Wuf strongly recommends…. we just need kick some local butts — starting today.

    Winning those three games would be an excellent finish to this season…

    …starting in T minus 6:30.

  2. mak4dpak 11/02/2013 at 8:10 AM #

    ‘THIS IS OUR STATE’, if so it begins today! And if for no other reason to make Ebron eat his words over what they were gonna do to us today. Let the winning streak begin today. Go Pack!

  3. TheCOWDOG 11/02/2013 at 8:12 AM #

    I took 2 things away with me from that 1973 gathering several weeks ago…

    The seriousness of Crisp’s head injury …

    And the unprecedented in-state presence of Doeren and staff. To quote :

    ” They’re everywhere. “

  4. cameronoverrated 11/02/2013 at 8:21 AM #

    THIS JUST IN!!!! Larry Fedora just did his first bump with Fats standing in front of a mirror with nothing but his visor on in preparation for the game.

  5. BJD95 11/02/2013 at 8:31 AM #

    An energetic staff will help, fo sho. But there are factors that will keep the talent drain in full swing.

    In WNC, UT is often closer geographically than either of the major in-state schools. Pretty much everyone from Asheville west is a Vols fan. On top of that, UT is um, less than rigorous academically, and plays in a much better conference. In the CLT area, both Clemson and South Carolina are no worse than equidistant. Adding VPI to the league (thanks, Duke and Holes) has also been a boon to their cross-border recruiting, with no associated benefit for State or the Holes.

    And overall, our proximity to the SEC (without being in it) is a huge factor. Imagine you are a 4 or 5 star talent. You can play in the best football conference in the country, and still be within driving distance for your family to attend a few games. Play on national TV, with huge stakes on the line.

    Or you can stay a few hours closer, play in the worst major conference, have your games be on Raycom, with the stakes trying to make a bowl game in exotic Charlotte.

    Even in that said weak conference, State and the Holes have been also-rans. It’s not an easy sell, to say the least.

  6. choppack1 11/02/2013 at 8:43 AM #

    I think bid nails half of the problem… the geographical footprint of the state… the other issue is that we have 5 d 1 schools in Nc. Its not unprecedented for there to be over 150k attending games in nc on a Saturday… and let’s just say most 5 star guys would rather play in front 70k+ fans than 50k

  7. 13OT 11/02/2013 at 9:41 AM #

    Before ACC expansion, the State-Carolina game was usually an important ACC game. But with the divisions and 5 more teams (6 more if you go back to the ACC’s best days when we had only 8 teams, South Carolina included), this game has become lost in the mix.

    Back then, a successful season was 7-3 or 8-2 or better, with a bowl, when bowls were really bowls and not 6-6 seasons.

    And if things keep heading in the current direction, it isn’t out of the realm of possibility that the annual State-Carolina game will be bumped so that we can “diversify” our conference schedule to accommodate the additional, and sorry, Big East castoff teams we’ve absorbed.

    So enjoy it now, while it’s still around. Duke, Virginia and Georgia Tech are already gone from our annual schedule, and if ACC officials have their way, this one will go the same way. Who knows, maybe they can find a way to bump this one every season we have to play Notre Dame. Wouldn’t want to miss playing Pitt, now would we?

  8. UpstateSCWolfpack 11/02/2013 at 9:43 AM #

    I live outside he borders, count me as the second person watching today.

  9. GeneralNuisance 11/02/2013 at 10:01 AM #

    Being from WCU, BJD you are correct about UT . . . if they arent a UT fan, they are a Clempsun fan (less than 2 hrs from most of the region) Factor in that most are a UNC bball fans and the Pack requires a good sell for most fball recruits. Hopefully this staff will be able to make some headway there cause there are some good players from that part of the state.

  10. doug 11/02/2013 at 10:06 AM #

    No Sir, I will be watching on game plan from Memphis. Texting and calling my Brother’s in N.C.. I purchase game plan just so I never miss my PACK. Flag flying PROUDLY today. F the cheats.

  11. Fastback68 11/02/2013 at 10:29 AM #

    This has been said many times before. Take all the great players who played within the NC university system over the past 50 and put them on one or two teams and the state would have a few national championships. Put those players on a NC team in the SEC and you would probably have a few more. Factor in all the NC recruits that would not have left the state if a viable local powerhouse existed and god knows what might of been.

    That is part of the price of an excellent university system whereby North Carolinians have a wide array of choices. I’m glad my dentist did not attend NC State and I’m even happier that my bridge and road design/build engineers did not go to UNX. I’ve been to USC and Clempson. They can have it. What’s my next choice, Bob Jones??? C of C would be nice in one way.

    DD, build a winner and even higher numbered stars will come. Go Pack!!!!!!

  12. PoppaJohn 11/02/2013 at 10:57 AM #

    National championships and even national recognition, while obviously desirable, seem so far away (Read: unlikely) that it’s hard to think about that in football.
    But successful recruiting against the blues should be the immediate target, and acheivable. When we have a level playing field (or better) as far as talent with those guys and can ‘own the state’, then I think we start elevating our vision to being more competitive in the conference.
    Beating any of the locals (UNC, Duke, ECU) will (sadly) be an upset these days. It’s going to take a couple of years of DD ‘being everywhere’ to transform this system. Hope he can do it, but for now, I have modest expectations.
    Can we win three more this year? Sure, “… on any given Saturday …” but, will we? I don’t know.

  13. old13 11/02/2013 at 11:24 AM #
  14. Pack Mentality 11/02/2013 at 11:26 AM #

    State and Carolina have not recruited western NC at all. There were 3 NFL players on my high school team who all went to the SEC and weren’t recruited to any in state schools. I don’t know if things have changed but they should, the Asheville area produces some damn good athletes. But it isn’t like the Raleigh area, nobody gives a damn about ACC football, and everybody is a Carolina basketball fan, unless they happen to be a State alum, of which there are some bit very few.

  15. packalum44 11/02/2013 at 1:26 PM #

    Tommy Bowden was to Clemson recruiting what O’Brien was to State. Dabo mentioned that as an assistant he was told, ” don’t even bother going after CJ spiller. He will go to SEC.” Dabo didn’t listen.

    Certainly we have our drawbacks but that doesn’t mean we can optimize our recruiting to the best of our abilities. I think consistent 20-25 ranked classes is doable. Over a number of years that could breed a respectable program to a Clemson or VA Tech type of level.

    Program building is endogenous. Getting to the next level is the goal. Looking to the finish line during your first mile of a marathon is foolish.

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