(Not So) Great Expectations and Near Misses

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As the ’13-’14 edition of Wolfpack Basketball prepares itself for the upcoming season (only 9 days and counting…if one counts exhibition contests, that is), much is being talked about regarding the Pack’s significantly lowered expectations as compared to this time one year ago.

NC State basketball: What went wrong in disappointing 2012-13 season (NewsObserver.com)

— Chairs can’t talk, but the empty ones around Mark Gottfried said it all.

This is the difference a year makes for the N.C. State basketball coach and his program. A year ago, the Wolfpack was the talk of the ACC, the sexy preseason pick – top 10 in the country and the choice of both the coaches and the media to win the ACC.

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Then came a disappointing fifth-place ACC finish and an opening-round loss in the NCAA tournament. Fast forward to Wednesday, back in the same Charlotte hotel. While the media’s double-stacked around Duke’s Mike Krzyzewski, as they would be later around North Carolina’s Roy Williams, there are five people and 12 seats at Gottfried’s table.

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“We have a completely different team,” Gottfried said. “We’re in a different place.”

Were the expectations too high last year?  Some of us around these parts thought it at least a possibility, and weren’t hesitant to say as much.  But there can be little doubt that even if that bar of expectation was set too high a year ago, the results which did eventually happen were, at times, little better than a train wreck even still.  Or a dumpster fire.  Feel free to pick your own terminology.

[Lorenzo] Brown said he felt responsible for the team’s 11-7 ACC record. He led the ACC in assists (7.2 per game) but said he should have done more, even before an ankle injury cost him two and half conference games.

Brown shot 20 of 76 (26.3 percent) from 3-point range, which he said should have been better. He said wasn’t aggressive enough.

“Our offense never clicked like it did the year before,” Brown said. “That was on me, I needed to do more.”

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“We had some immaturity at times,” Gottfried said after the Temple game. “It just seemed hard at times to have everybody buy in all the way.”

Gottfried has since said it was difficult to blend the returning players with the new players.

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“As freshmen, we looked up to the older players,” said guard Tyler Lewis, a reserve freshman on last year’s team. “If we saw them having a bad day or being lazy, we felt like we could as well.”

So then, what of this year’s significantly lowered expectations?

With returning McD AA’s TJ Warren and Tyler Lewis, and with a considerable load of incoming talent, both freshmen and transfers, are this year’s lowered expectations as much of a kneejerk response to last year’s results, as last year’s pre-season hype was to the Sweet Sixteen run to end the ’11-’12 campaign?

Yes and no, I think.

This year’s team has talent and boatloads of potential.  But it also has a LOT of new parts which will need to learn to work together.  How quickly those parts can mesh and become a cohesive unit, all pulling in the same direction, will determine when, and to what extent, this team realizes its potential.

When do YOU think that might happen?  March?  February?  Lest we dream…January?

Should we go ahead and chalk this up as WTNY already?

Tell us what you think.

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A 2nd generation alumnus and raised since birth to be irrationally dedicated to all things NC State. Class of '88 and '92.

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36 Responses to (Not So) Great Expectations and Near Misses

  1. ncsu1987 10/22/2013 at 12:29 PM #

    Success factors for me this year are good overall chemistry, dialed up defense, and consistent effort.

    We may never know the full details from last year, but clearly we had some poisonous personalities involved. I’d like to see a fresh start, with all players held accountable for performance and demonstrable consequences for those who don’t.

    Expectations were WAY out of control at beginning of last year, and I agree that we are being punished by the media for disappointing them on their own outlandish speculation. The NBA draft results and subsequent team trials should drive this home. Never pay any attention to preseason hype. We were NEVER as good as we were hyped to be.

    Agree with BJD, in general, that NCAA is not that hard to make in recent years. Not sure what the implications are in the new ACC. Lots of good teams, lots of teams vying for those bids. There will be pressure from other leagues to govern the total number of bids given to one conference. Look for some middle ACC teams to be among those disappointed on selection Sunday.

    NCAA bid equates to fantastic season to me. This would mean that the team came together quickly and surprised a few along the way, or made a deep run at the ACCT.

    NIT equates to my expectation.

    Can’t wait to see the team in action this year. Trying to control expectations about the year after.

  2. Whiteshoes67 10/22/2013 at 12:29 PM #

    ^Agree with a lot of the above, but count me among the minority who think that team was highly overrated. The projections were based on 4 returning starters averaging nearly double figures, assumption being that they’d improve (as they did in Gottfried’s first year), they’d play defense and hardnose basketball (as they did during the latter half of 2011-2012 season), and three incoming burger boys, 2 of whom were expected to contribute right away.

    They didn’t perform, but it wasn’t for a lack of talent, or gaping holes, or depth, even with the departure of Painter, Johnson, Williams. Leadership, as the players have said, was an issue. Effort was an issue. Those things are also usually demanded and cultivated from the top. It’s a culture. Sure, it doesn’t happen overnight, but it’s either there or it’s not.

  3. Wulfpack 10/22/2013 at 12:46 PM #

    Funny how people see things differently. Brown and Howell have found teams. Not sure what is going on with Leslie. Warren will likely get drafted this year. Wood is playing overseas. Throw in Purvis and Lewis and there was immense talent. It just did not mesh for whatever reason. New season, new slate.

  4. Hawkeye Whitney 10/22/2013 at 12:53 PM #

    None of us really have much of an idea where this season’s team will end up. I think this is the year when we’ll really find out where our coaching staff grades out. I am eagerly hoping for an “A”.

    As for last year, we were one Deshaun Painter away from being pretty good.

  5. Lumpy 10/22/2013 at 1:05 PM #

    I think this year is all about TJ Warren. Can he make the jump from efficient scorer to the #1 option this year? Can he become a good defender? Can he get a sizable chunk of those rebounds that Howell was responsible for last year? Lewis, Barber, and our transfers can all be serviceable players, maybe even big contributors. But there’s only one guy on this team that has the potential to be a superstar and that’s Warren. If he takes the next step we all hope he can take, I think we shock some people. If he stays the same or (god forbid) regresses, then I think we end up on that NIT bubble type year.

  6. Daniel_Simpson_Day 10/22/2013 at 1:44 PM #

    I see us winning about 18 games 7 of which will be conference games. One win in the ACCT. I didn’t watch enough BE b-ball last year to have a good gauge on Pitt & ND but I remember how good Syracuse was (although I don’t remember how much production they lost to graduation/NBA).
    Duke, Syracuse, UNC & Md are what I would consider the top tier teams.
    BC, ND, Pitt, UVa, FSU are good to average teams, but not what I would call real contenders. Miami showed us last year that any team can come out of nowhere and win the conference; if that happens this year I think it will be from one of these teams.
    GT, NCSU, Clemson, Miami, VPI & WF are the bottom of the barrel. Sure one or two of them can make a few waves and get an upset or two, but I’d bet the mortgage no more than one of them has a conference record above .500
    I’m just not sold on TJ Warren. I thought a lot of his scoring came from garbage baskets. Now whether or not that was good b-ball instincts and proper positioning or blind luck I don’t know. I am just really worried about where the offense is going to come from.

  7. Daniel_Simpson_Day 10/22/2013 at 1:52 PM #

    Question: how does the ACCT work this year with 15 teams? And yes I did try to find out on the interwebs before I asked here.

    Never mind, a co-worker found the answer for me. Sounds like all 15 teams play in the tourney. I’m guessing the bottom 6 play on Wed and the winners become the 10, 11, 12 cedes.

    http://www.theacc.com/#!/news-detail/ACC-Conference-Games-Schedule_08-22-13_obk6i1

  8. hball57 10/22/2013 at 4:36 PM #

    10-3 non conference, 10-8 conference. 20-11 overall before the tournament.

  9. rtpack24 10/22/2013 at 5:36 PM #

    Last year was greatly compromised when Painter left, we had no depth in the post and Painter could play the 4 or 5 which was a luxury. Purvis was a shooting guard that could not shoot and wanted to be a point guard and could not go to his left. Enough of that, that team is gone. We have some basketball players that if they learn to play together might surprise a lot of people by Jan. Turner and Lee will contribute a lot and the media hardly mentions them. Anya has enough time to get in somewhat playing shape. Like always time will tell.

  10. bill.onthebeach 10/22/2013 at 6:05 PM #

    These days, the Head Coach’s job is about 90% motivation and 10% information…. For his staff … maybe that drops to 50% / 50%.

    Bottom line… is that if you don’t know “something about people”…. you don’t get close to sitting on the bench in a coaching position at any school.

    As we have seen…. the last two seasons… the scoreboard clearly reflects two things, among the numbers…. every game….

    1. Which group of guys did the best job of playing together as a team.

    2. Which group of guys most wanted to win.

    That said…

    Coach Gott and staff ‘s primary job this season will be to “work” mostly new guys into a cohesive unit. That will present it’s “challenges”… but I suspect that if the truth were known…. it will a refreshing “change of faces ” from last season’s squad…. at least from a coaching point of view.

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    It will be a most “entertaining” season ….

  11. VaWolf82 10/24/2013 at 11:31 AM #

    there was immense talent

    Zero first round draft picks doesn’t qualify as immense talent to me.

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