Wednesday Misc: Some Basketball Links

Tuesday provided the first “on the court” look at the pieces of the ’13-’14 edition of Wolfpack Basketball as it was the first day for summer workouts.

NC State trying to solidify ‘program in transition’ (

Tuesday marked the first day of on-court workouts as freshmen and transfers joined returnees Tyler Lewis, TJ Warren and Jordan Vandenburg on-campus.

Step one for Gottfried and the Wolfpack: find almost an entirely new starting five.

“There’s a ton of questions about our team,” Gottfried said. “It’s kind of a blank slate as far as having all these new guys, and we’re not really sure who can do what.”

It will be trial-by-fire for Gottfried’s self-described “program in transition” come November when W’s and L’s will be determined by how quickly his team grows up.

N.C. State basketball: Gottfried has hopes, not expectations (

RALEIGH When Mark Gottfried goes to the grocery store, he sometimes gets unsolicited advice from fellow shoppers.

“ ‘Hang in there coach, I know it’s going to be a long year for you,’ ” Gottfried said, relaying a conversation. “I hear it everywhere I go.”

Expectations will be a little different for the 2013-14 Wolfpack than they were last year, when N.C. State was ranked No. 6 in the preseason poll and picked to win the ACC. That group, which returned four starters, failed to meet expectations in its 24-11 season, finishing fifth in the league and losing to Temple in its first NCAA tournament game.

This year’s team returns just four scholarship players, one of whom is guard Ralston Turner, who sat out last year after transferring from LSU. Rising sophomore guard Tyler Lewis, forward T.J. Warren and redshirt senior center Jordan Vandenberg complete the rest of the quartet, which Gottfried has asked to fill the leadership void.

Gottfried, in his summer press conference Tuesday, called this team a “blank slate,” with questions pretty much across the board. That has resulted in low-to-nonexistent expectations for those outside the program.

“If I had to walk in my mind through the league and who has what coming back, we’re going to be near the bottom, probably, to start off with,” Gottfried said. “Now for me, personally, I hope to find a way to get in the NCAA tournament every year. Some years, that may be a lot more difficult than others.

DeCock: Wolfpack still looking for leaders (

Instead of returning starters or high expectations, N.C. State has questions. Who will play inside? Who will shoot from outside? Who, exactly, is going to score points other than T.J. Warren?

All of those legitimate questions will be answered in one way or another. Someone will have to score. Someone will have to play inside. Someone will have to take some 3-pointers. They may not be as good at it as they were last year, or as good as they would like to be, but someone will have to do it.

There’s one question, however, that is just as urgent but without an answer, necessarily. Who is going to step up and fill the leadership void that has existed since C.J. Williams and Alex Johnson left the program last summer?

A year ago at this time, N.C. State coach Mark Gottfried was asking the same question. No one ever did, and that’s one reason why the Wolfpack never met the expectations it set for itself last season.


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47 Responses to Wednesday Misc: Some Basketball Links

  1. Gowolves 07/03/2013 at 1:42 PM #

    I found this link through CNNSI website. It was in the Stewart Mandel mailbag column. This guy has seen a ton of games! Notice the game programs down the side. Some pretty historic match ups. This person’s goal is to visit every stadium in the FBS. He went to two NCSU games that I quickly noticed. Both Clemson games and the Pack won both. They may have been more. Just quickly glanced. I think I was at the Pack game in Clemson where it was high scoring. Was that the game where Holt had five touchdowns?

  2. Greywolf 07/03/2013 at 2:16 PM #

    “Was that the game where Holt had five touchdowns?”

    From memory which isn’t all that reliable I’d sat it was at Florida State.

  3. LRM 07/03/2013 at 2:35 PM #

    ^1997 in Tallahassee.

  4. Gowolves 07/03/2013 at 2:45 PM #

    I thought he had a similar game against the Tigers at Memorial stadium. I have to look that up.

  5. Fastback68 07/03/2013 at 3:04 PM #

    Halloween game at Clemson. Holt had huge game but I don’t think it was five td’s. could be wrong

  6. Gowolves 07/03/2013 at 3:12 PM #

    I have tried to find game by game stats of past games of the Pack. Where is a good place to look? Especially for stuff like this. I can never locate it.

  7. Fastback68 07/03/2013 at 3:15 PM #

    10/31/98 – holt with 4 td’s.

  8. DC_wolf 07/03/2013 at 3:31 PM #

    …getting back to basketball… I’m so disgusted w/Calvin Leslie (Mr. “Un-drafted Free Agent”) and Rodney Purvis I can’t even see straight. Don’t ever let the tag “McDonald’s All-American” fool you (see: Lorenzo Brown – who wasn’t 1).

    Our bball program is in worse shape than when Gottfried “initially” took over… Talk about a rebuilding job – why do we always seem to be in this position? If coach G gets us to the dance next year DY may want to consider a lifetime contract…

  9. StateMan 07/03/2013 at 3:43 PM #

    ^worse shape? you can’t be serious. 2013-2014 Team “may” not win as many games as the 2011-2012 team but I don’t think anyone would say the program is in worse shape.

    I wonder if anyone was talking about State bball in July before Gottfried took over?

  10. ncsu_kappa 07/03/2013 at 3:44 PM #

    DC, I see how it can look that way, but we have a coach that coach, recruit, and players that are excited about playing for him. We have alot to be excited about even if this won’t be a tourney year. We weren’t coming off two straight tourneys. This is a low expectation year where we get to see our guys play their hearts out, make lots of mistakes, grow and evolve into leaders. Not to mention, the coaching staff as assembled is a great as we have had in a great while.

  11. DC_wolf 07/03/2013 at 4:02 PM #

    StateMan, I can be serious. I’d call a program with 5+ players returning with major playing time (CJW, CJL, Painter, Lo Brown, Wood, Howell, & throw in Vandenburg) not “as worse” as a program only returning 4 such players…

    Care to wager on another Sweet 16?

  12. tjfoose1 07/03/2013 at 4:11 PM #

    “Our bball program is in worse shape than when Gottfried “initially” took over…”

    Been away from Earth for a while, have you?

  13. DC_wolf 07/03/2013 at 4:15 PM #

    No, just a solid bball program. But if I’m wrong – I hope I am…

  14. tjfoose1 07/03/2013 at 4:17 PM #

    “Care to wager on another Sweet 16?”

    I think you are confusing “program” with “team”.

    But even taking your statement as you probably intended it, it’s important to note that Gott did not “initially” take over the program in March 2012, it was April 2011. That was before Harrow left and before Alex Johnson joined the team. That was before Howell’s lost weight and transformation. That was before Lo Brown played the point. That was pre Calvin.

    That was before Lutz, before Early, before Moxley.

    Now, do your really mean the program is now in worse shape than when Gott “initially” took over?

    Get some perspective and folk’s won’t call out your statements as somewhat ridiculous.

  15. ncsu_kappa 07/03/2013 at 4:17 PM #

    DC would you have wagered that we were headed for the sweet 16 before Gottfried took over?

  16. ncsu_kappa 07/03/2013 at 4:18 PM #

    Foose way more eloquently put as usual but that’s what I was getting at with my post

  17. tjfoose1 07/03/2013 at 4:23 PM #

    Nothing personal DC_wolf, but your statements reflect a piss poor attitude, distorted perspective, and a complete confabulation on the recent history of the NC State Basketball Program.

    Not hating the fan, just the comment… And no offense intended, but just hits close to a nerve for me.

    Bonus points to me for correctly using “confabulation” in a sentence.

  18. DC_wolf 07/03/2013 at 4:26 PM #

    Foose, I would call a program w/a high # of transfers (Tyler Harris, Jaqawn Raymond, Painter, De Thaey, Purvis) & early departers (before they’re ready, i.e., Leslie), post Gottfried, & w/only 4 players having any significant playing time on the roster as not solid. Again, hope I’m wrong.

  19. tjfoose1 07/03/2013 at 4:35 PM #

    ^ On its own, a valid point. But when considering the transfers in, and the recruits, and the overall timeline, I’d call it more part of the culture transformation than signs of instability. I see it as signs that true change is being made, and a culture of excellence and high expectations is being established.

    Not exactly like, but similar to, the ongoing change in the overall athletic program, and the somewhat high turnover of coaches.

    Until the culture is firmly established, and known and understood by others, you’ll have some joining with misconceptions, and getting out when it’s not what they expected (Purvis, de Thaey). Not surprising, especially given the current state of college basketball.

  20. DC_wolf 07/03/2013 at 4:42 PM #

    Right on, brother. I am, & always will be, as a State fan, cautiously optimistic.

  21. tjfoose1 07/03/2013 at 4:51 PM #

    Here’s to us both hoping you’re wrong. 🙂

  22. redisgood 07/03/2013 at 5:12 PM #

    To change the topic for a moment, USA Today confirms the PJ Hairston vehicle was rented by noted drug dealer, criminal, and thug, Hayden “Fats” Thomas. Fortunately Fats does not know PJ, and isn’t even a Carolina fan, so all is good.


  23. Wufpacker 07/03/2013 at 5:13 PM #

    “Bonus points to me for correctly using “confabulation” in a sentence.”

    I for one, was quite impressed. 🙂

  24. Pack85EE 07/03/2013 at 5:15 PM #

    It sure seems the press is low balling us and I don’t blame the coach for doing it, especially after last year. But don’t lose track of who we do have coming in. Kentucky had a down year but that won’t last. Just like Kentucky or the other top teams, the better players we get, the more turnover we will have. I think we will have one of the best back courts in the ACC. We just need those freshman big men to step up an Vandy to do something.

  25. Pack85EE 07/03/2013 at 5:29 PM #

    Tyler Lewis, Cat Barber, Desmond Lee, Ralston Turner and TJ. Front court – 3 good freshman and Vandy. The 10 Scholarships guys we have should be strong.

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