Hype, poll-skewing, and under-appreciation

I’ve been a little puzzled this year by what I perceive as an undeserved negative perception of this year’s basketball team, and I’m wondering if I’m the only one?

This notion was triggered over time as I watched the team’s ranking in the human polls plummet during Lo’s absence, all while the RPI stayed relatively unchanged and much stronger.

Couple of days ago I noticed it again, but this time I realized that the team’s RPI was high 20’s and yet they weren’t getting a single vote in either the AP or Coaches’ polls.

I decided to build a comparison between rankings based on polls of sportswriter and coaches (which I really don’t like) compared against rankings based on programmatic indices (which I do like), and to identify teams that show the most variance from one to the other.

Methodology: To create the population of teams for analysis, I included any team that is mentioned with even a single vote in either the AP or Coaches’ poll. I added any additional teams that were present in the top 30 of the RPI ratings and ESPN’s BPI ratings. This gave me a population of 46 teams.

There were some gaps in the data. For example, San Diego State is 34th in the Coaches’ poll but absent from the AP poll. For these cases, to keep the analysis as fair as I could conceive while not leaving any population teams out, here’s what I did. Let’s stick with the AP poll. This poll contained 39 teams. That means there were 6 teams in my population that weren’t included. For the sake of this analysis, I assumed that they all tied for the next spot in the AP poll and assigned them all a ranking of 40th. I applied the same approach with the Coaches’ poll. Interestingly at this point I noticed that my population included only 3 teams that were unranked in either “people” poll: Colorado, Wichita State and (you guessed it!) NC State.

To simplify a bit (this is necessary when you have a simple mind, like mine), I then created a poll average based on the two “people” polls, and an index average based on the two index polls. I then subtracted the computer index average from the people poll average to arrive at my differential index. So negative numbers means that the team is “over-rated” by the people polls (according to the computer polls) and vice-versa.
Results:
Here’s the top of the list, showing the most “over-rated” teams:
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Some interesting results, but K-State grabs my attention from that list. Their poll average projects a much higher seed than the index average. Depending on where they end up, especially if they have a first round matchup with an under-rated lower seed, I’ll definitely consider them an upset possibility.

Now for the bottom of the list, showing the most “under-rated” teams:
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That right, boys and girls, friends and relatives, #1 on this list is the NC State Wolfpack. No other team is further apart in the minds of the collective sports writers and coaches vs. these computer indices. Surprise!

The other team here that grabs my attention is Colorado State. They’ve flown under the radar (at least under MY radar) this year, and I want to know a little more about them. I’ll take a really hard look at who they’re matched against this year.

What does it mean?
My take on this is that this year’s Wolfpack team has been punished by the media/coaches for not living up to the insanely optimistic pre-season expectations that were promulgated by….those same media/coaches. What’s your theory?

As I type this, I also wonder if I included other computer indices (say Pomeroy and/or Sagarin) would the results be substantially different? If I have time, I’ll give it a shot.

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Senior IT Manager for Fortune 500 company living in central NC. Grew up a basketball player and fan, discovered college football while attending college. Proud alumnus of NC State University since 1987.

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31 Responses to Hype, poll-skewing, and under-appreciation

  1. Wulfpack 03/08/2013 at 7:37 PM #

    I guess I am in the minority here. All I heard about all offseason and the early part to the season was how great we’d be. We were predicted to win the ACC and be a top 10 program. I am sorry, but that is not “bias”.

    We lost badly to Okie State and then to Michigan, so we kind of slipped there. We lost a few with Lo out and had some very close ones. I don’t think we played up to par in that stretch even n some of the narrow wins.

    We are now on the way back up and hopefully peaking at the right time. Vitals has us as one of his 6 sleepers to do very well in the tourney, and a lot of talking heads are saying watch out for NC State. So bias I do not see.

    We have top 10 talent with 3 to get a shot in the NBA next year, and a great freshman class. Add to that Wood, who is one of the best shooters nationally.

    If we go on a run in the ACC’s then win our first NCAA tourney game, there is going to be a ton of noise around this team nationally.

  2. tractor57 03/08/2013 at 8:08 PM #

    Win the games and not have the bed shitting and all is well. At this point under rated? Most likely but can you blame the voters in the polls?

  3. Spike 03/08/2013 at 11:39 PM #

    wulfpack – I guess I am in the minority here. All I heard about all offseason and the early part to the season was how great we’d be. We were predicted to win the ACC and be a top 10 program. I am sorry, but that is not “bias”.

    I agree. I don’t want to be negative here. Maybe the pre-season expectations were a bit high but I don’t think it’s wrong to say that this year has been a definite improvement but there is still wasted potential. I won’t put blame anywhere specific because I don’t know the specifics but the talent is there. Every team has bad games. It happens, but overall ignoring the hype we have not played to the potential we have. Don’t get me wrong I am pleased with the direction we are moving in and hope it continues but some kinks should be worked out by now.

    I have no problem with us being put lower down the chain and the media not singing our praises. We have yet to prove that we are good consistently. Until we do I don’t think the perception will change and don’t think it should. We have lost a handful of games we had no business losing. You never know what team will show up each night.

    I am pleased with Gottfried and Co. and I really hope Bobby Lutz does not make a move back to a head coaching job anytime soon. I would hate to lose him. I am really hoping we can do well in the ACC tournament and have a deep run in the NCAA tournament as well.

  4. vtpackfan 03/09/2013 at 2:07 AM #

    I check the weekly AP polls and we don’t even get A vote. We are just stuck with the Iowa States and other land grant University’s that are just expected to save the American infrastructure while BS institutions get all the accolades. Win it all and they’ll recognize you, or else stand behind they’re cardboard cut outs.

  5. wufpup76 03/09/2013 at 7:31 AM #

    Interesting work. I tend to fall more in the camp with Wulfpack on this subject. And like 44 or whoever said – win and it takes care of itself.

    At the same time, you’re not gonna find a more biased and irrational measuring stick than the “human” polls. Those polls tend to be very ‘heat of the moment’ without valuing an overall profile. “Certain” teams almost always get the benefit of the doubt.

    They reward who’s hot, and there seems to be a lot of ‘group think’ involved. They’re polls, they should only be taken so seriously. But it’s still nice to be in them 😉

  6. highstick 03/09/2013 at 10:52 AM #

    Just do it and let the “conventional wisdom” sports experts whine about it for the next 30 years.

    A good shot in the mouth shuts up critics!

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