What Does It Mean To Be a Fan: For Our Younger Fans

After a loss like tonight, a lot of younger fans are understandably pretty crushed, not necessarily because of how we played or any particular statistic, but simply because there are a lot of young fans in the middle of a pivotal time in NC State history and it generally sucks losing to those jerks.  As a not-so-old fan, I wanted to maybe relate to some of those that are in my same age group and younger.  Please forgive me if I ramble.

A BRIEF ANECDOTE…

In 2005 I was a sophomore at NC State, still hitching rides to the football games with my father because he had a parking pass ‘real close’ to the stadium so… I wasn’t going to pass that up.  I can remember getting a few of my friends together and riding down to the stadium with dad for my first NC State – UNC football game since I was attending State (the year prior obviously being a game @Chapel Hill).  I remember that the game was sub-par for most of the day, but the last half consisted of NC State taking a 24-14 lead followed by three incredibly long UNC drives resulting in a touchdown and a few field goals.  NC State lost the game 31-24.  After having seen how successful NC State had been in some of the years prior and getting my first ‘adult’ experiences at Carter-Finley at a student rather than the son of an alumni, the high of this new experience was quickly smashed by the harsh reality that we simply weren’t that good.

I was so mad I couldn’t even speak the entire afternoon.  My father didn’t try to tell me how stupid I was acting or how I was over-reacting to ‘just one game’.  He just made small talk with some of my friends and kind of let me be.  When he left campus for the 2 1/2 hour drive back home, he just kind of gave me that ‘Sorry, kiddo’ look, gave me a hug, and said, “We’ll get them next time.”  He didn’t try convincing me that it “wasn’t that big of a deal” or explain to me that he didn’t drive all that way just to see me act anti-social, as I probably would have been tempted to in a similar situation.  Rather he told me that he knows how disappointing it is to invest yourself in a game like that and have it turn out the way it did… in a humiliating defeat.

BUT THEN AGAIN, BEING AN NC STATE FAN NEVER WAS JUST ABOUT WINNING…

It’s not because we can’t win and not even really because we haven’t won on a grand scale that I make this statement.  There is almost a mysticism about following the Red and White that you have to believe in if for no other reason than to remain a rational, sane member of society.  Even the hardest, coldest, most numerically devout members of this community must have some part of them that is emotionally invested (even if they were to argue with me, I would call BS all day long).  When you follow NC State, it’s like joining the mob: you buy into the idea of what the organization is just as much as the business they conduct.  Once joining the fold, it doesn’t matter if business is up or down; the idea of what NC State stands for is still just as valid before a game as it is after.  So… what does it mean to be an NC State fan?  The way I see it, there are three things to consider..

  1. Undying Loyalty.  I can’t say that there aren’t loyal UNC fans, but I do see a lot more cars on the road with removable UNC magnets than I do NC State decals.  Loyalty to a fault is exactly the identity of NC State as a fan base and it is what keeps us coming back to the games week-in and week-out even when times are rough.  We don’t know why we do it; we just do.  I was as harsh on Tom O’Brien as anyone for being so damn loyal to his staff even when it seemed obvious that there may have been a problem, but really he was probably being a better Wolfpacker than anyone.  Loyalty is becoming an uncommon virtue and one that only those with the strongest characters exemplify.  As a fan base, we are loyal to our teams.  Without that loyalty, how can we expect them to be loyal to our institution?
  2. Playing With A Chip On Your Shoulder.  Honestly, if NC State regains national prowess and even retakes their basketball and football series over UNC anytime in the distant future, I don’t know if we would know how to deal with it.  Honestly, I prefer things that way.  Think about it: when you watched movies like Star Wars as a little kid, which side do those movies always have you root for?  The unsuspecting underdog, right?  That is who we are and it’s part of what we thrive on.  NC State loves a good fight, especially one where the cards are stacked unbelievably high against us.  Another analogy might be the old infantry saying that if you wake up and see the enemy all around you, you aren’t surrounded; you’re in a target-rich environment.  That is exactly the situation that Mark Gottfried stepped into.  A coach having left his former post under the auspice of poor off-court behavior and various media accusations steps into a position where a fan base’s expectations couldn’t be higher next to some of the nation’s best basketball programs.  Rather than seeing it as a ‘bridge too far’ or as a job position surrounded by the enemy, he has jumped into his position, unafraid, and declared it to be a target-rich environment.  So too do we, as NC State fans, live our lives surrounded by the various jackasses elsewhere in the state and beyond that insist on railing us on the success of their programs.  Let them have their fodder.  It makes beating them for a sixth year in a row on the grid-iron even more satisfying.
  3. Never Accepting “Enough”.  Through the last few coaching searches, NC State has heard about ceilings and potential so much that it’s almost a cliche discussion to even start.  Basketball, in particular, has proven to be a tall mountain to climb simply because of the comparison that is drawn between our lack of success and the success of rivals UNC and Duke.  Listen, we can’t take anything away from what they have accomplished, conspiracy or not.  They win.  It sure would be nice if we won, too.  But there are some who think it’s unreasonable to think that NC State could win again and even possibly win more than UNC or Duke.  There are some within our own fan base and within the mass media that feel NC State is simply “that other school” that doesn’t understand that not everyone can be on top and we happen to be a part of “everyone”.  As fans, we call bullsh*t.  Being an NC State fan is acknowledging that “enough” is never enough.  Did we just have an 8-win season in football?  Awesome… let’s go for 9.  Did we finish in the Sweet Sixteen in basketball?  Outstanding… let’s go for the final four.  Did we make the super regionals in baseball?  Great… let’s take a trip to Omaha.  There is no limit to what NC State is capable of and there is no reason why we should ever allow anyone to place a limit on us.  Debbie Yow understands this and her Wolfpack Unlimited slogan is part of it.  We will not be told by anyone other than ourselves what is “good enough” for our program.  As fans, we refuse to believe and actually challenge the concept that anyone can hold us back.  NC State is capable of great things.
THAT’S WHAT IT TAKES TO BE A TRUE NC STATE FAN…
To me, these three concepts sum it all up.  If you can maintain an undying loyalty even in the face of defeat, if you can play with a chip on your shoulder and never back down from a fight, and if you can live a life never accepting limits placed on you by anyone other than yourself, then you are a true Wolfpacker.  No one can explain that to you; it’s something you just experience.  That’s what dad was trying to explain to me by not saying a word back in 2005 in the face of a heart-crushing defeat.  He was letting me discover for myself what it meant to be an NC State fan.  Maybe last night was that moment for some of you, I certainly hope so.  During moments like these when you don’t know how to feel after a game, it’s important to understand exactly why it is that you stick around for these types of games and come back for the next event.
Anyone can root for a team that they see as “always winning”.  
Anyone can root for a team if the whole world, media included, is rooting for them too.  
Anyone can be a fan of a team that has sub-standard expectations and views success relative to what is expected of them.
Only the fanatical can wear Red.  Only the true can wear White.  Only those who run with the PACK can call themselves a part of N. C. State.
We. Are. NC State.

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24 Responses to What Does It Mean To Be a Fan: For Our Younger Fans

  1. Tuffy2 02/22/2012 at 12:42 AM #

    From an older fan to the younger fans. We will get there. Keep your head up as times will be changing soon.

  2. logarithm 02/22/2012 at 12:43 AM #

    We finished undergrad at the same time and I’m of a like mind. I appreciate the very well-written piece. We need a manifesto for the renaissance.

  3. packpowerfan 02/22/2012 at 12:45 AM #

    Good write up, ‘Pride. For those of us who had family at State (Dad was a junior in ’83, uncle was in his final year of Vet School; another uncle graduated in 91), it is much easier to carry on these principles. We are dyed in the “fur”, and for me, State is my family. Former graduates are grandparents, aunts and uncles to me. Peers are brothers and sisters. Future graduates are nieces, nephews, sons and daughters. I put blood, sweat and tears into my degree, and I hold the University close to my heart.

    In 2008, as a sophomore, I founded a small club: Students for Athletic Excellence (SAE for short). We were short lived, held just a handful of meetings, but we made our case. We understood the role of the Student Wolfpack Club as a booster club, but being that is is directly tied to the Athletic Department, we couldn’t ask them to stand up to the farce that was Lee Fowler. I interview with the Technician and had then cover a meeting. We discussed the tradition that State held, and how our own administration was all but strangling it. We didn’t get a huge reaction from the student body, but Fowler wasn’t happy. He questioned why I hadn’t come to him directly (hardy har har), and just a week or so later the University disbanded us as an official club. However, we put our message out. We were mad as hell, and we were tired of being a student body subjected to the whims of an inept administration and a vitriolic media.

    I tell that story because it embodies to me what State is all about. For God’s sake our mascot is a PACK of wolves. Not a wolf singular, but a cohesive family. When backed into a corner we show our teeth as a warning, and we coordinate our attack. We are quick and lethal, and we rarely fail when working together. That is what being a member of the Wolfpack means, and if you’re the type to keep your tail between your legs, either learn to assimilate quickly, or be prepared to move aside.

  4. NCStatePride 02/22/2012 at 12:46 AM #

    I was going to write a “manifesto” but… eh… it’s midnight. Lets see what happens after all the sports are done this year then maybe I’ll pick it up… ha.

    It’s important to me that fans not get discouraged. Personally, that is what I hate to see more than anything with NC State fans is watching fans lose their motivation after a few heart-wrenching losses that they really “believed in”.

  5. packpowerfan 02/22/2012 at 12:47 AM #

    Sorry for typos and such…I am using my Droid, and autocorrect is a Nazi. The internet here at the hotel in Kinston is spotty at best.

  6. mak4dpak 02/22/2012 at 12:57 AM #

    Hope the wahoos kick some UNX arse this weekend, and Marshall will probably be back to shooting poorly. Lucky us, he played the game of his life, Maybe by some twist of fate we can get UNX in Atlanta, and find a winning formula.

  7. FireAndIce2007 02/22/2012 at 1:09 AM #

    I genuinely enjoyed this piece, and it hits on a lot of very good points, and it’s not my intention at all to crap on it, but this bothered me a little:
    “Honestly, if NC State regains national prowess and even retakes their basketball and football series over UNC anytime in the distant future, I don’t know if we would know how to deal with it”

    To me, this feels a little bit like the knock on Boston before the Sox won the Series in 2004- they’re happier being miserable, and if they actually won, they wouldn’t know what to do with themselves. With all due respect, screw that- I don’t believe for a second that there are any real Red Sox fans who would trade the last two World Series trophies for the previous 86 years of misery and failure, no matter how romantic and poetic it might have been. While there is a certain allure and mystique to being the most loyal, the hardest of the hardcore, the true believers, we all know that winning is better than losing. If and when State brings balance back to the Force and retakes its rightful place at the top of college basketball, I know exactly what I’ll do- I’ll hold every win over my UNC fan friends the same way that I do with each of TOB’s wins over Carolina in football. While I appreciate the fact that State fans on the whole are “truer” fans that UNC or Duke has, and if the results on the court changed it would change the nature of State fandom, I refuse to romanticize it too much. We’ll know how to deal with success because State has been there before. It’s our rightful place to reclaim. We brought college basketball to the south. Cutting down the nets to celebrate victories? That’s ours too. The greatest player in ACC history wore the red and white. The greatest moment in the history of the NCAA tournament came when a State player caught a missed shot and turned it into the most stunning upset in the history of the sport. We’ve played the underdog for a long time now- as long as I’ve been following NCSU basketball, but that doesn’t mean that we should accept it as the natural order or define ourselves that way. I completely understand the impulse to define ourselves by our loyalty and faith in the face of the last two decades of ACC basketball, but I reject that notion, as comforting as it might be. We are the most loyal of the loyal, but that’s not because we don’t know how to view ourselves if we are victorious, but rather because we know exactly what we can accomplish. If that makes any sense. Sorry to go on for so long, and I did genuinely enjoy the article, I just am uncomfortable with embracing the role of the permanent underdog.

  8. MrPlywood 02/22/2012 at 1:53 AM #

    I was in Jr High in ’74, and graduated in ’83. I’ve been there, and I want to go back. I for one could handle beating the crap out of UNX on a daily basis.

  9. NCSportsMan 02/22/2012 at 2:01 AM #

    My dad went to State along with several of my family members so naturally I have always been a State fan. I’m only 16 so it has basically sucked for my entire life. I was really young during the Rivers era and I don’t even remember the last NCAA Tourny we made.
    I will always be a State fan. Infact I hope to work in the State Athletic Department one day, or for the Carolina Panthers. My teams have sucked for the majority of my life so naturally I am driven to not just cheer when they win and be depressed when they lose, but to actually make an impact and help them win.
    I would love to get a job as an NFL scout and eventually work in an NFL front office, hopefully in Charlotte.

  10. seanb724 02/22/2012 at 8:31 AM #

    It’s hard to believe I was a freshman in the 88-89 season when we last won a league title. It has been a long 20+ years. 🙁 But hope springs eternal as an NC State fan! I truly believe we can get back to prominence, and this year is our 1st step towards that.

    I do think that our expectations as a fan base changed drastically this year when we have shown signs of being “almost there.” How many of us predicted an 8-8 year in November? How many of us changed that to 10-6 or even 11-5 in early January when we were 4-0?

    This team is on the verge… We need a killer instinct. We need a true go to guy. But we are almost there…

  11. LRM 02/22/2012 at 11:08 AM #

    Whenever the younger fans get “discouraged” I think about an honest observation Eugene Sledge made in With the Old Breed, about the hierarchy where front line infantrymen looked down on all others, because the experience wasn’t shared.

    The way I see it, if you didn’t endure absolute hopelessness of the 90s with undaunted loyalty, then you have no idea what real frustration is.

  12. packpowerfan 02/22/2012 at 11:29 AM #

    LRM, I was too young to grasp the Les years, but we have had Sidney as well. Truthfully, anyone involved with the last 22 years has endured an agonizing stretch. And while the lows in the 90s may have been very low, those who were students at that time have at least had a taste of success with the late Valvano teams. I do not consider Herb’s years successful, as I consider him a ridiculous fraud of a coach.

    Not trying to make this a pissing contest, but we are all in this together.

  13. triadwolf 02/22/2012 at 11:44 AM #

    I was at State 85 thru 89 and not only were we Nationally relevant in Basketball, it was across the board in athletics. In particular I recall men’s soccer, men’s basketball, baseball, track, and cross country as top 15 programs. I think there were other sports that were also good, but I can’t recall for sure. In 1989 there’s no way I could have imagined how the next 20 years would unfold – I expected NC State to compete at a high level across the board and so did everyone else I knew (including the opposing fans).

    The point is that NC State was a top 20 athletics program during my tenure and we can be that again. I think after 20+ years we are finally seeing some light at the end of the tunnel. We still have a lot of work ahead of us, but it’s time to start expecting great things again.

    BTW – Les Robinson gets a lot of criticism for his stint here, but he took one for the team and came into an impossible situation. He knew when it was time to pass the torch and stepped aside to allow the next phase to begin. I hope someday he gets recognized for the bullet he took on NC State’s behalf. It would have been nice to see him coach under normal circumstances to see what he maybe could have done.

  14. wolfbuff 02/22/2012 at 12:48 PM #

    FireandIce2007, that may be the best entry I’ve seen here. The underdog motivation works in spots, but not as a permanent thing. Once we have everyone (administration, coaches, alumni, donors, athletes) pulling in the same direction, committed to winning and thinking like winners, we’ll win. We will reclaim our rightful place at the top. I see evidence of that happening on many fronts. But we have to roll our sleeves up and fight our way back up there.

  15. pack76 02/22/2012 at 1:18 PM #

    Well written! Thanks!!!! I was the first from my family to go to State along with my wife, but my son went to State and my grandson and granddaughter are both talking about going to State. The tradition continues! Loyalty and Pride!!!!

  16. wolfonthehill 02/22/2012 at 2:51 PM #

    LRM – I indeed endured the 90’s with undying loyalty and enthusiasm. Fall of 1989 was my freshman year on campus, so I truly joined the Wolfpack family just months after our last championship in a major sport, and as the Valvano situation unfolded.

    I never gave up. Never. I always had hope. Until last Thursday-Saturday. Those three days laid out the truth – that we will never break through – that the ACC doesn’t want that – and that we will endure nights like last Thursday for as far as the eye can see. And I just don’t have it in me.

    I didn’t watch last night’s game… and I don’t intend to watch another game this season. And I have to say – I enjoyed my evening last night a hell of a lot more than I would’ve had I watched. It’s quite liberating, honestly… I just got hours of time per week and nearly immeasurable happiness back.

    It’s a shame… I stuck with it for 22 years. Twenty-freaking-two. And I’m sure I’ll come back one day. But for now, I just can’t let myself care anymore……..

  17. Hungwolf 02/22/2012 at 5:59 PM #

    I am spoiled I grew up watching Sloan go undefeated, win a natinal championship, then Kenny Carr was amazing, we were ranked 4th in the nation when UNC’s Dudley fouled to steal the ball and the ref didn’t call it. Kendell “Tiny” Penderremember him? and Hawkey Whitney shot a million shots and I bet only 20% of them went in. People forget Sloan had ranked teams after Thompson. I arrived on campus same year as Valvano and was in school in 83 when we won it all. I admire the Hell out of Les Robinson and I agree he took a big bullet for NCSU. I don’t know who else would have taken the job. He coached with two hands tied behind his back and they did everything they could to keep him from recruiting. A passion for NCSU basketball left when Les stepped aside. Sendek never cared about our program, he was self centered jerk that didn’t want former players around, didn’t embrace our past, and the fact that he wouldn’t start a senior on senoir night says everything about him. Sendek was a fraud of a coach. I bleed NCSU. I think Sidney did for us what Matt Dougherty did for UNC, but us back on the map in recruiting circles. Neither could coach but both could sell their schools to recruits. I think brighter days are ahead!!! Gottfried seems to get it. We played 3 on five last night talent wise. AJ, Howell, and Wood don’t start or play that much on any other top 20 team in America. Calvary coming! K and Roy won’t coach forever. After K Duke in for a mighty fall. All this winning and they haven’t updated their arena or built a new one, how stupid. the rise is NCSU bball is a given!

  18. WeAreCured 02/22/2012 at 6:39 PM #

    I know exactly what you mean about the loyalty bit. My dad played under Case and Maravich in the 60s, so I grew up a State fan. I ended up at South Carolina and graduated in ’07, but I couldn’t give a damn about the Cocks. It’s red and white for me.

    @wolfonthehill:

    I don’t know how you can have that attitude when we are in our first year with a new coach and actually lost talent from last year’s team. I think this year has been nothing but encouraging, and once we get some more talent and depth, which is arriving, we will be a force. There’s no doubt about that. Even if one were to believe in the ref conspiracy theory, situations like the Duke game would not hurt us because we’re actually going to have depth.

    I see this year as the beginning of something great.

  19. Sweet jumper 02/22/2012 at 9:20 PM #

    Good post NCStatePride. I am a lifelong diehard Wolfpack fan who remembers back to Eddie Biedenbach, Dick Braucher, Vann Williford, Ed Leftwich to present. My Dad and my younger brother are State grads in Civil Engineering. I went to Davidson and then onto medical school and I love the Wildcats, but I bleed State red. I have read about the great teams of Case and Maravich, and I personally witnessed Sloan’s and Valvano’s careers. I have also endured the regimes of Robinson, HWSNBN and Lowe. I am really excited about Gottfried. I think he understands where we have been and what we need to do to reclaim our rightful place as an elite college basketball program. He has laid the foundation with more ACC wins this season than in the last several years, and he is bringing in a highly rated recruiting class to blend with a talented group of returning players. I hope Vandenberg is granted a medical redshirt for this year. Having an 8 man rotation with another big man might have made a big difference in some of our close games this season(even if only giving us 5 more fouls up front). I have had my share of frustrations over the last 20+ years but I will never desert the Pack. We have won 2 national championships and many conference titles and I think we are on track to return to glory. I am not in favor of pulling out of the ACC, but I strongly support a change in conference leadership. A member alumnus should never be selected as conference commissioner. The alma mater loyalty, whether overt or unintentional, is just too strong. I know I could never be an impartial commissioner. I would always be looking out for the Pack. Sorry about the rambling post. GO PACK. Finish strong and take care of business these last 3 games.

  20. NCStatePride 02/22/2012 at 10:15 PM #

    FWIW, the references to playing as “underdogs” isn’t meant to imply anything other than where we currently are or at least who my generation has ever known themselves to be. Obviously I believe NC State can (and will/should) become a national powerhouse again in several of it’s athletic disciplines. At the same time, we have to acknowledge what we are and what it will take to get back to that point. To get there, we can’t have an delusion that we are somehow better than we are; at least not yet.

    If this season is any indication of things, I would suggest that the time for us to become great again is quickly approaching. NC State is a great institution, but it deserves to be so much better than it is. Being a fan is never giving up on what we know NC State can be.

  21. GoldenChain 02/23/2012 at 11:37 AM #

    Great piece.
    As said, I remember the days where we owned ACC swimming, baseball, soccer, tennis, CC, and were definately factors in basketball and football.

    It is obvious that DY & Woodson are the 1st admin tandem we’ve had since the 80’s that “get-it” and already their efforts are showing results in a very short period of time.

    Seriously, the maximum tenure of a varsity athlete is 4 years and usually 2 years (before they become a starter). there is no erason we can’t be pretty proud of our athletic program in another 2-4 years.

    Just remember its that last 10% of effort that makes the difference between being good and being great and that is the hardest to get.

  22. GoldenChain 02/23/2012 at 11:46 AM #

    And BTW, I used to let it ruin my life for days after a loss when I was in my 20’s and one thing the ups & downs of the last 20 years have done is help me put things in prospective.
    At the end of the day losing or winning doesn’t change my love for NC State or the experience I had there or the friends I made. It doesn’t de-value my diploma one bit.

    When we start winning consistently over the blues it will make the winning seem all the sweeter and allow us to savor the victor all the more.

    Think about it: Duke wasn’t all that before K and most likely won’t be after he’s gone (and he ain’t got taht much longer). unx was able to “buy” their way to success securing roywonderboy but he ain’t a spring chicken eiher.
    Think about it: unx fans were ready to jump outta windows that year they went 8-20.
    Mark my word: the worm always turns.

  23. NCSU84 02/23/2012 at 8:53 PM #

    Hey Hungwolf, we have a similar past I too “arrove”, I mean arrived at NCSU the same year as Valvano. I lived in Raleigh during the Thompson, Holtz, and Sloan years. I witnessed championships (ACC and NCAA) like they were second nature. But I would like for everyone to know why I HATE UNC sooooo much. I copied this statement from the UNC blogs after the recent game:

    “Carolina and Dook fans totally hate each other – but they are more equals, though opposites (good/evil, Cain/Abel). State’s hate toward Carolina is the starving, bloodied guy crawling in the ditch hating the smart, happy guy in the Mercedes driving by.”

    Now I happen to know that , although they may not admit it in public, many UNC fans feel this way about State. Trust me. I married a UNC alum and she drives a Mercedes – honest.

  24. tabramos 02/24/2012 at 1:14 AM #

    NCSU84: That quote is outdated in 2012 which just shows you the quirky mentality that UNC fans/alumni still have in a technology advanced age.

    First, they continue to insist they are peers or equal to Duke. In the same way UNC sees NCSU as inferior academically (even though it was the state of NC that set up NCSU as inferior by not allowing it to be a comprehensive university), what makes UNC fans think on the other hand that Duke sees UNC as an equal academically. Duke is perceived to be academically superior to UNC and the majority of UNC students would not be able to gain admission into Duke as undergraduates.

    As far as the Mercedes comment, that is outdated. Plenty of NCSU graduates with a bachelor’s degree, in particular those in the sciences, engineering and architecture are doing very well career wise and have average salaries higher than the average UNC person with a bachelor’s degree. I am not talking about what happens if those students go on to graduate school because than their careers and salaries are a reflection of those degrees. NC State graduates are hired in greater numbers by companies like Google, Apple and Microsoft than are UNC graduates.

    The richest man in the state of North Carolina is Dr. James Goodnight of SAS and he is an NC State graduate. He is a billionaire and would easily be one of the ten richest people in the world if SAS had gone public. Dr. Goodnight can have all of the Mercedes’ he wants.

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