The Silver Lining

There is a silver lining. But I’ll get to that in a minute.

Last night, 45 fouls were called collectively. That’s 5 more than the game has minutes. If you look at the stat sheet, you see that we got called for 24 fouls and they got called for 21. This, according to those who didn’t watch the game or are in #protecttheblues denial, would indicate an evenly called game.

We obviously saw the shift in momentum when the stripes called a barrage of fouls to begin the 2nd half (can’t let Duke lose honestly #protecttheblues). Obvious LOL of some fouls came when Richard Howell was pushed down and tripped someone because he was on the floor and he gets whistled for his 4th. Or the time where Calvin gets a rebound and has 3 Duke attack dogs hacking at him to the point where he loses the ball out of bounds. No whistle, except to notify everyone that Duke gets the ball on the turnover. Or the insane over the back no calls that Duke gets away with all the time. Or the obvious flops (I recall one sequence where two Duke players went down simultaneously). It was so bad that even Gmenski had to report to the folks that Duke was simply fishing for fouls.  All I know is that you have to have help losing a 20 point lead with 11 minutes to go.

And here’s that help: 18 fouls called against our starters. 10 on Duke’s. Thorton was Duke’s only starter in foul trouble who had 4 fouls and 0 points to go along with them.

I know, I’m preaching to the choir.

The silver lining, though, came via twitter this morning from @thedevilwolf who gave us this gem:

At least NC State’s starters should all be well rested for FSU on Saturday. Am I right?

Yes, @thedevilwolf, you would be right.

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47 Responses to The Silver Lining

  1. 1.21 Jigawatts 02/17/2012 at 12:25 PM #

    adding 3 freshmen next year isn’t happening in a bubble. We are losing a starting senior guard (who is contributing 11+ ppg) and our backup PG off the bench. Sure the new guys will have more talent but they are NEW. You want to look at it properly we’re going from 7 deep this year to 8 deep next year.

  2. Ed89 02/17/2012 at 12:31 PM #

    For the record, if you are going to be CONSISTENT and call 45 fouls in a game, there is NO EFFING way that the Plumlees play 52 minutes and only commit 3 of those 45 fouls. NO WAY!

    That being said, it did show that CJL and Howell owned their asses last night in spite of fouling out. Now, let’s go kick some FSU a$$.

  3. Ed89 02/17/2012 at 12:34 PM #

    ^^Sure the new guys will have more talent but they are NEW. You want to look at it properly we’re going from 7 deep this year to 8 deep next year.

    All three Freshmen, plus Vandy, plus Harris and DeThaey will see minutes next year. Even without Harris/DeThaey playing a ton, we still go to a 9 man rotation with Vandy and the Freshmen. If Amile comes, he’ll definitely see alot of time. So, while we lose CJW and AJ, we will gain MUCH more. If everyone improves in the next year, like they have the past year, we will make serious waves.

  4. Khan 02/17/2012 at 12:38 PM #

    ^ DeThaey should actually subtract one player.

    I hope he improves some.

  5. HAve2650 02/17/2012 at 1:03 PM #

    It’s not the total number of fouls or the fouls against certain players. It the fact that the odds of the refs doing all of the following are too slim to be purely coincidental:

    1) calling the game as tight as possible the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half (or until enough of our players were in foul trouble)
    2) Changing their tactic to let everyone play after our guys were in trouble so they would have to back off
    3) Missing several critical calls that would have stopped Duke’s momentum but instead built on it as well as put us further in the hole.

    I personally find the combination all of these events too much to be purely coincidence.

    I know that nothing will be done about it because it didn’t happen from Coach K being in the ref’s ear. It’s not from style of ball that Duke plays. In my mind, and I hope I’m wrong, it’s because someone is controlling the outcome of the game. It’s either from the Commission which has proven to be run by the TV networks, the networks themselves, or possibly from connections to gambling.

  6. ADVENTUROO 02/17/2012 at 1:05 PM #

    Just as a team WINS, so it LOSES. If you look at what each starter did wrong, and elminate the thing we can NOT control – the officiating, then the loss was a real TEAM EFFORT. CJW should have been smarter in some of his play, but he got whistled. Need a BIG RED bungee cord on Howell to keep him inside. He got stupid fouls for playing like a guard. Calvin also overplayed folks and tried to do it all. Brown, who the WPN called the MVP, had turnovers in the beginning and stepped out of bounds on our LAST hurrah possession. Did I forget to mention that Scott Wood missed critical FT and also did not contribute his usual 3P barrage? Alex Brown is the only one that did not have a serious blunder. He was great….hope that the SAME Johnson will suit up tomorrow.

    So, IMHO, we got over confident with 20 points. I remember a similar ACC final tourney game in Charlotte when I watched JJR totally blow a great lead and Coach Herbie had NO defense for him. Last night, we played like a team that expected to win and then played like a team that HOPED to win and we did not.

    We have come a LONG way, but the ability to have confidence and poise is still lacking.

    Next year, with CJW gone, I think it will be a bigger challenge. Remember folks, many here wrote prolifically about how Coach Lowe’s Fab Frosh were going to win it all. One left and it has taken almost the entire season for the other two to develop into better BB players.

    Rivers and Curry has the advantage of having been “coached” since they could walk. Most Mikey D. players don’t have that in their DNA and their environment.

    Looking forward to a SOLID game tomorrow and feeling GOOD when I leave the RBC. GO PACK!

  7. Hungwolf 02/17/2012 at 1:15 PM #

    Lots of good points being made on here, no sense in being personal we are all Pack fans.

    One point I have not seen made is composure starts with the coach. I think Gott has done an excellent job, but if there is a complaint it would be his game composure. He was biting his nails on the bench and as much as the players were rattled so was he. I think he over-reacts to the officials. He needs to work the officails, but his actions only will carry over to the players.

    After the game in an interview, Curry stated in a time out midway through the second half Coach K told them they were going to win the game. Duke played with confidence the second half. We played rattled with no composure as our coach chewed his nails and looked rattled on the sideline also.

    I really like Bobby Lutz on the sideline, he was clearly teaching/instrucitng the players throughout the game. Kudos to him!

  8. pbp4th 02/17/2012 at 1:30 PM #

    “And here’s that help: 18 fouls called against our starters. 10 on Duke’s. Thorton was Duke’s only starter in foul trouble who had 4 fouls and 0 points to go along with them.”

    Ummm…State only plays starters. State had 7 guys with significant minutes. Duke had 9. Makes it a little easier to spread out the fouls.

    At the beginning of the second half when Duke made it’s first run, it was in spite of a 7-4 foul differencial in favor of State. My only point is that it is overly simplistic to suggest that foul totals or foul totals of starters were particularly determinant in the outcome of the game.

    Calls will always be missed. When Duke was down 20, I can guarantee you their fans were not happy with the officiating – whether they were justified in feeling so or not. Just like officials blow calls, some people step out of bounds under 2 minutes and take terrible shots and crack under pressure. I know it is easier to blame the world around you, but State has a better team than that…even if that doesn’t ease the pain of a game that you let slip away.

  9. BAM 02/17/2012 at 1:42 PM #

    Regarding CJW’s low foul rate in prior ACC games… another way to look at it, he averaged 2.64 fouls per 40 minutes (int he previous 10 ACC games) going into last night. Last night, fouling out in only 12 minutes of play, would be like getting 16.6 fouls in 40 minutes!

  10. GAWolf 02/17/2012 at 1:49 PM #

    I’ll get personal…

    My wife is a professional, grade-a button pusher with a sharp tongue. I love her dearly and cannot imagine going through life with anyone else by my side. However, she, and she knows this to be true, can twist the verbal knife so well she could make Ghandi’s blood boil.

    Saying our guys are to blame for this loss last night because they got down and quit fighting at the end of the game is like my wife fussing at me for losing my cool when she slings verbal daggers at my big head.

    One cannot exist without the unnecessary catalyst other. Had we not been literally bent over and fisted in in the first 10 minutes of the second half while K gooned up the game with scrubs knowing their only chance was a war of personal foul attrition, our guys wouldn’t have been sitting on the bench with the look of “we don’t have a chance.”.

    Shit fire. We didn’t have a chance. Those boys, sadly, lost a little bit of innocence last night. They got a first class lesson of society’s cruel nepotistic bullshit. I’m sorry for them. I ache for them. They became a little closer to bitter old men like the rest of last night, and that’s unfortunate.

  11. tobaccordshow 02/17/2012 at 1:51 PM #

    ^ Wow. Nail. Hammer. A+ post.

  12. coach13 02/17/2012 at 2:06 PM #

    I hope Puke gets a quick athletic team in the NCAA tournament that smokes them sends em home early. They have a couple of talents but are not that good. Without ACC refs in their corner a run for a title is out of the question.

  13. Hungwolf 02/17/2012 at 2:25 PM #

    Well I don’t have the experience of knowing how GAWolf’s wifes tongue relates to the hardwood, but lets hopr the boys learned from their second half tongue lashing or whatever analogy you want to use and it equals wins in upcoming games.

  14. Hungwolf 02/17/2012 at 2:26 PM #

    Well I don’t have the experience of knowing how GAWolf’s wifes tongue relates to the hardwood, but lets hope the boys learned from their second half tongue lashing or whatever analogy you want to use and it equals wins in upcoming games. 🙂

  15. hball57 02/17/2012 at 2:32 PM #

    Here is my problem with the officiating last night.

    The way the game was called changed at the beginning of the second half. Now that happens all the time. But normally there is a tangible explanation for it.

    What caused the change last night? The first half was not overly physical. Players were not barking at each other. There were no near fights. So what was the reason to get tight at the beginning of the half? Of course that favors the deeper team, even if that wasn’t the intent.

  16. tobaccordshow 02/17/2012 at 2:40 PM #

    “Well I don’t have the experience of knowing how GAWolf’s wifes tongue relates to the hardwood, but lets hopr the boys learned from their second half tongue lashing or whatever analogy you want to use and it equals wins in upcoming games”

    Wow, so many ways you can take this post. Well done.

  17. Khan 02/17/2012 at 2:57 PM #

    I don’t normally go all conspiracy theory, but this certainly is interesting. I’m sure that there are forces at work that we will never know about. Interesting post:

    “It’s not the total number of fouls or the fouls against certain players. It the fact that the odds of the refs doing all of the following are too slim to be purely coincidental:

    1) calling the game as tight as possible the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half (or until enough of our players were in foul trouble)
    2) Changing their tactic to let everyone play after our guys were in trouble so they would have to back off
    3) Missing several critical calls that would have stopped Duke’s momentum but instead built on it as well as put us further in the hole.

    I personally find the combination all of these events too much to be purely coincidence.

    I know that nothing will be done about it because it didn’t happen from Coach K being in the ref’s ear. It’s not from style of ball that Duke plays. In my mind, and I hope I’m wrong, it’s because someone is controlling the outcome of the game. It’s either from the Commission which has proven to be run by the TV networks, the networks themselves, or possibly from connections to gambling.”

  18. MISTA WOLF 02/17/2012 at 3:09 PM #

    I was so devastated last nite that I took a day off from work. The officiating was immoral without a question. Their either going to come out tomorrow guns a blazing or like physically abused children. Hopefully they beat the ever living F|_|CK out the Criminoles!!

  19. Rick 02/17/2012 at 3:15 PM #

    GA just knocked it out of the friggin’ ball park.
    He said exactly what I have been trying to say.

  20. Gene 02/17/2012 at 4:05 PM #

    The officiating was bad, but that shouldn’t stop the offense from being able to get off shots in the final few minutes. At some point, if we have guys driving the lane and looking to hit shots, we should either make the shot or draw the foul.

    If we want to be a championship team, we need someone who can break down the defense and score or dish, when things bog down.

    10 years ago, Duke had Jayson Williams, who could do this. UNC had Ty Lawson, who could do this.

    Brown seems like he has the ability to do this, but maybe needs more time to really break out.

    We couldn’t buy a bucket in the final two minutes. If we’d made one or two shots late in the game, we might’ve still eked out a victory.

  21. Wolf-n-Atl 02/17/2012 at 9:17 PM #

    My biggest issue was Thornton’s reactions to calls without getting a technical. Not once, but twice he complained about calls in a way that would have instantly been called a T against our team or anyone else. The refs turned their back to avoid seeing his tirade.

  22. nouveau wolf 02/17/2012 at 10:12 PM #

    My Tarhole fan friends, who witnessed something eerily similar a week a ago, commiserated with me today at the favorable officiating Duke gets. We all agree it’s crap, and we all saw it on display last night. They even agreed with me that the jawing and jabbing during the UNC/Dook 1st half was responsible for the tightening up of the officials in that game, but there was no cause for it in our game, other than K.

    So we ALL know. It SUCKED and hamstrung our defense and rebounding in the second half.

    What it in NO WAY affected was Zo’s driving(or lack thereof) to the basket in the 2nd half(he had no fouls), or stepping out of bounds. It didn’t affect missed free throws, or stupid fouls, or turnovers. 3 more made FTs, a couple of less TOs, and just one or two more buckets in the last 11 minutes, and our 20 point lead would have been too much for Duke to overcome.

    We should have won this game, regardless of the biased, kiss K’s butt officiating.

    We should have beat Dook and GT. We COULD have beat Va, Vandy, and maybe Indy. We are all of 7 minutes of not great play from being a solid mid-seed and in a tie for first in the ACC. Would anybody have complained knowing that 9 months ago? Anyone want to complain now? We are building a program, not a season. Yes,last night hurt A LOT (I wish they had italics), but this is looking very, very promising.

    Though the pain, I am proud and excited.

    Tomorrow…oh boy, I feel good about it!

    GO PACK!

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