A Legacy of Never Giving Up (a Generation ‘Y’ Perspective)

I remember walking around in my boys-size 6 LA Lights sneakers and following my father who was sporting the ball cap with the old diamond-styled “N-S-C” logo.  My father, who worked as a technical salesman for a textile company (which I still associate as the most NC State-esqe of the NC State degree-fields you can pursue), was meeting up with one of his bosses, also an NC State alumni, to watch the spring game.  I remember  following pretty close behind my father as we took our seats in the upper deck because when you are less than 3ft or 4ft tall, section 11 feels like it’s a 100 miles in the air.

My father started explaining the game of football to me and telling me little things about when he used to attend NC State games as a student.  He pointed out the lawn and talked about my mother and he sitting on the lawn, and watching coaches that I would never know beat Carolina.  My father’s boss gave me a deck of NC State cards that I no longer have.

Shortly after that, my father signed me up for a basketball camp that was taking place in Reynolds.  Basketball camp for 7 and 8 year olds is essentially watching a bunch of kids throw youth-sized kickballs into the regulation goals and celebrating when someone hit’s the net, but I was still star-stunned to see all of these giants walking around in red and white warm-up suits.  Of course I had no idea who any of them were, but that didn’t matter.  They were in my colors and because of that, they were like gods to me.

When it came to basketball, I only barely recall watching my father sit in his command chair (AKA, the recliner) and hearing my mother say “why do you even watch the TV if you are going to get mad at it?”  My father would later tell me about this man who was coaching when I was born who had lead an unsuspecting NC State team to be the best in the country and how he told every player who wore those terrible 1980’s uniforms to “Never give up.”  He told me how those players believed, no matter what the odds were or the statistics said, that they could win each and every game that they played if they just remembered to “Never Give Up”.  He told me about how even on this death-bed as he gave a speech on TV, he would still utter those words “Never give up”.  It clicked when I was still not even 10 that the reason my father watched NC State wasn’t because we were top 5 in the nation and not necessarily because people would see him sporting his NC State memorabilia and be impressed with his affiliation; he rooted for NC State because to be an NC State fan, you had to “Never Give Up”.  The stats and numbers were important, but when it came to being a fan, it was all about belief that your team could pull anything off, announcers and statistics be damned.

Go from those years in the 1990s to the year 2003, which was obviously the year following the 2002 season where NC State had gone to the Gator Bowl and defeated Notre Dame 28-6.  That was about the time when I had to make a decision on where to attend college.  I never really admitted it to my mother, who desperately wanted me to confirm my acceptance to Virginia Tech, or my father (who by the way is GoldenChain on this blog), who was supportive of any of the engineering schools I had opportunities with, but there was never a doubt in my mind that I would attend NC State.  I could have been accepted to MIT, and I bleed NC State so deeply that it would have taken a miracle for me to go anywhere else.  My father obviously gave me his blessing on one condition: I not major in textiles.

Looking back at my life and how much NC State has meant to me as a boy, and now as an alumnus, it’s pretty clear why I am still such a huge NC State fan.  It’s not because of the 2 “impressive” bowl games NC State has gone to out of the past two decades, and it’s definitely not because of the sub-standard basketball performance of the 1990s and mildly acceptable performance of periods in the early 2000s.  The reason why I keep coming back to the whipping post is because to be an NC State fan is to never give up.  That doesn’t mean we don’t form our opinions, bitch and complain about administrative woes, or call for the heads of coaches that “just can’t get it done”. 

No, what it means is that NC State is more than a statistic generator that I follow.  It’s more than a few stand-out players.  It’s more than a coaching era and it’s more than any one individual analyst or wellspring of insider knowledge on a blog.  I don’t follow NC State because I know the results and I don’t follow NC State because of the money I give them.  I don’t follow NC State because anyone will think me a “winner” or because I know my team will give me a good game each and every single season. 

Simply put, I follow NC State because I refuse to ever… ever… ever give up.  Not ever.

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73 Responses to A Legacy of Never Giving Up (a Generation ‘Y’ Perspective)

  1. TruthBKnown Returns 09/26/2011 at 11:16 AM #

    Well said, Pride. I’ve been wondering why I continue to take the punishment that I take as a State fan. You just made me realize why. It’s the same reason that you’re a fan.

  2. ncsu1987 09/26/2011 at 11:17 AM #

    Wow, very nice. Your father has obviously imbrued your soul with the beauty of expectation-less faith and support. Thanks for the reminder – we all need it sometimes. Gotta go call my dad.

  3. jrsr 09/26/2011 at 12:13 PM #

    VERY GOOD!
    Years ago I found a 1946 Gator Bowl program in some of my Dads stuff and it helped me to rember some great times with him!
    Will always pull for the PACK, we would all like to see more wins but lets be sure we/they keep a good clean program that strives to graduate the athletes with a degree that they really earned.
    Good job NCStatePride

  4. hamsixstring 09/26/2011 at 12:17 PM #

    Pride this is the most meaningful post I’ve seen on here in a long time. I love the heart and reality behind it. This is what NC State is about – that’s why we’re different and unique among a national spotlight consumed with W’s and L’s. I wish more fans had your attitude.

  5. 85Designo 09/26/2011 at 12:28 PM #

    I was that guy (your father) except I majored in Landscape Architecture. I was there in 1983 for the WIN. V’s speech still brings a tear to my eye. I took my two boys to the games during the lean years. The oldest went to UNCW then saw the error in his ways and is now a transfer to State. My high schooler is a big State Fan and an “ABC” fan. He is as frustrated as the rest of us but has yet to give up. Instead he turns off the TV and plays video games.

  6. Howler 09/26/2011 at 12:29 PM #

    As someone with an undergraduate degree from NCSU and a graduate degree from that school in Orange County, I definitely know why I bleed red. The same reason I prefer spending time with real friends over spending time with people I want to impress; the same reason I prefer a barbeque sandwich to sushi. The same reason I stand behind Coach O’Brien and patiently wait for sustained success…because he seems like one of us. The same reason I wasn’t sad to see Sendek leave for another opportunity…because he never seemed like one of us. Growing up, I never cared if more of my friends were Carolina fans than State fans. I always sought out “genuineness” in people and institutions. NC State is “genuine” and we have “genuine” fans.

  7. PackisRolling 09/26/2011 at 12:31 PM #

    Great post…good for you for continuing to support the Pack. I, on the other hand, have decided that I’m done with NC State football. So, basically I’m saying I give up – sorry Jimmy V. It’s like an amicable divorce actually. I’m not mad…I’m just over it and ready to move on.

    I’m a ’98 alumnus so I have basically experienced 90% heartbreak with NC State football – culminating in the disappointing end to the Maryland game last year where we squandered (again) a golden opportunity.

    I am now convinced that we will never achieve sustained success in football on the national stage and that our ceiling is probably last year – almost sliding into the ACC championship game. Look at past results – we’ve NEVER had sustained success in football and I have zero confidence that we ever will.

    Will I watch NC State football? – sure, I’ll tune in some and I hope they win every game. But I won’t plan my Saturday around it and I won’t be foolish enough to get my hopes up if they win a game or two or three.

    NC State Basketball? I basically have one foot out the door in basketball too, but I’ll see how Gottfried does. At least we’ve proven that we can win a national championship in basketball so it’s conceivable that we could be be good again. It’s doubtful but possible.

    I know this makes me a bad, disloyal fan but I can live with that. And I realize that if I’m proven wrong and NC State goes to a string of BCS bowls one day then I am forfeiting my chance to revel in it with the rest of you.

    NC State’s lack of success has driven me to care much more about the NFL and other national college games of interest each week anyway. It’s a much better way to spend my weekends.

  8. WolftownVA81 09/26/2011 at 12:37 PM #

    Very nice Pride – thanks. I had started to regret buying tickets to the GA Tech game this weekend but finally saw, with the help of my wife, that it’s not just about winning. This helped to reinforce that belief. I have no expectations of winning but will go anyway and have a good time with my wife and cheer on the Pack even if we get the whooping I fully anticipate. The die is cast for the season. What else can we do at this point other than support the players and have faith that the AD will address the situation.

  9. chuckdachest 09/26/2011 at 12:43 PM #

    One of the best articles I’ve read on here in a long time! Unlike many of you, I had no family ties to State (no family ties to any school), heck, I didn’t graduate from State..I’m a UNC-A grad…but I picked State as a kid and I bleed Red & White to this day (I’m 30)…I married a Duke fan (more like a uhh..i guess I like Duke fan) who now bleeds Red & White..my three year old can finally make the wolf symbols with both hands and scream “Go Wolfpack!” She is mighty proud that she can now make those with her little hands by the way! She also knows if I ask her what we think about the Tarheels..her answer..”They are stinky!” Jimmy V hangs in my office (as do about a dozen other NC State items)…so there’s no doubt in my mind…I shall Never Give Up on the Pack…no matter what…GO PACK!!

  10. TruthBKnown Returns 09/26/2011 at 12:47 PM #

    I have to wonder, though. With all this patting ourselves on the back here… would we be this teary-eyed reminiscing if State had lost to Pepperdine in 1983, and to Maryland in the 1974 ACC tournament?

    I’m not belittling those major accomplishments. They were beautiful. But it’s part of what makes us so proud — we have a history to be proud of. But without those championships, all this wouldn’t sound so glamorous.

    I wonder how long we can sustain this without eventually winning SOMETHING to juice the ole batteries. The bad thing is that it’s not just the losing. It’s HOW we’re losing. We’re barely competing any more. Every year is another year removed from 1983.

    Bottom line is it’s easy to say the winning is not the important thing, because we have some big wins in our past. But we do need to win something once in a while, don’t we? Will we still be thinking like this in 20 more years with no more championships? I doubt it.

    Maybe this is a little harsh. But I just think the occasional win is a necessity. We’re not Western Carolina fans just glad for whatever tablescrap wins we can get. We’ve tasted championships, and we need to at least be in the hunt for another one eventually, or the people that remember V’s speech will slowly be aging out of the fan base, and the people that replace them will not have the fond, distant memories of championships.

  11. gotohe11carolina 09/26/2011 at 12:50 PM #

    hit the nail on the head there Pride. I’m just a little older than you so I still have a few memories of fire and ice growing up. when the magic played the hornets in the exhibition game at the asheville civic center I went to see corchiani play not shaq and zo. hope springs eternal in love and nc state basketball.

  12. wufpup76 09/26/2011 at 1:01 PM #

    Good piece. Thanks.

    Well-timed, too.

  13. lupus occidit arietem 09/26/2011 at 1:23 PM #

    So thankful those words are a part of our legacy, so sad we have to live them every single year.

  14. TheCOWDOG 09/26/2011 at 1:25 PM #

    “… would we be this teary-eyed reminiscing if State had lost to Pepperdine in 1983, and to Maryland in the 1974 ACC tournament? ”

    Geezus, what if Washington didn’t make it across the Delaware?

    What if Norwood’s kick wasn’t wide right?

    Pretty work.

  15. 6-4Sequoia 09/26/2011 at 1:27 PM #

    I’m taking my three kids to their first college football game this year. I somehow managed to score tickets to the Carolina game for face value. I’m trying hard to get them to feel for this school what I have always felt too. I plan on having a great time in a great atmosphere regardless of how lopsided the game will probably be. My main goal is to have my kids smiling as we leave the stadium and hopefully have a fond memory of their first game surrounded by “millions” of people as my 5 year old puts it. It does hurt though when they come into the living room and ask me which team we are, the one with 14 pts or the one with 30. I answer 14 to which they say, “Daddy? Why do we always have to vote for the team that’s losing?” It breaks my heart because I don’t have a great answer for that yet. This article helps. Thanks!!

  16. Texpack 09/26/2011 at 1:28 PM #

    As a Pulp & Paper / ChE graduate I can appreciate the Textiles reference. It is the only degree that could participate in the discussion with Pulp & Paper about being the most “NC State.”

    As the son of a BSME ’50, I can also appreciate the how much more the big wins meant because I can share them with my Dad. My Mom emailed yesterday that she went to bed during last Thursday night’s debacle but “your Daddy stuck with it to the bitter end.” When my kids ask why I endure the yearly beat downs I simply tell them, “Because it’s MY school. One day you’ll understand what that means.”

    I will stay loyal to my school. I am not, however, loyal to mediocrity. I deserve excellence or at least the pursuit thereof from my school. Go Pack!

  17. nseast8 09/26/2011 at 1:37 PM #

    I was never much of a college sports fan until the night I got my acceptance letter to State. Just a coincidence, that day happened to be a Thursday and as I was flipping thru the channels that night I caught the end of the State vs. GaTech game. I just remember watching this freshmen QB throw the game winning touchdown to Koren Robinson in OT. From that point on, I was hooked.

  18. TruthBKnown Returns 09/26/2011 at 1:39 PM #

    Geezus, what if Washington didn’t make it across the Delaware?

    What if Norwood’s kick wasn’t wide right?

    Pretty work.

    You missed the point. This is all being glamorized, like we don’t need championships to “never give up” on the Pack. But part of what makes us never give up is the fact that we DO have championships. They serve as fuel in our tanks. We love our Wolfpack. We don’t need championships. We’ll keep coming back for more every year.

    But would we be this way without the very championships that we’re pretending we don’t need?

    It’s kind of a contradiction, really.

    And 20 years from now, without any “new” championships to speak of, will fans still “never give up”? Every year, we have new State fans that do NOT remember a championship. Will THEY ever give up?

  19. TruthBKnown Returns 09/26/2011 at 1:44 PM #

    We have students at State that think it’s acceptable to rush the court after beating Wake Forest in basketball (just a scant few years ago). I felt like Iron-Eyes Cody sitting on his horse, roadside, shedding a tear when he saw a car drive by and throw litter out the window. You don’t EVER rush the court after beating Wake Forest. EVER. Maybe when they win a championship and contend for top-10 status for a number of years and build a legacy that makes them worthy of rushing the court.

    All I could think to myself was, “No. Please don’t do it. NO!” And they did it. I felt like that was “good enough” for those students. And I sat on my horse, roadside, and shed a tear.

    And we’ve done “the wave” at each of our home games against FCS opponents this year. I can almost chalk that up to fans just having a good time. So maybe I could let that one go, but I didn’t like that, either. We’re not looking good on the field, yet we did the wave for beating FCS opponents (even though we struggled with them).

    I want State fans to have enough pride to not behave this way. We’re better than this. But we’re better than this BECAUSE we’ve been there before. And we need to get there again.

  20. 6-4Sequoia 09/26/2011 at 1:46 PM #

    To that point, TruthBKnown, I am many generations removed from the heroes who fought to start this country but I am as proud as I can be to be an American and will never give up on this country. As long as there is video of our championships and of V’s speech, I think the sentiment about State will always live on..

  21. highstick 09/26/2011 at 1:56 PM #

    Don’t forget it was those “NCSU Textile grads” that were probably responsible for those ugly basketball uniforms and that “ugly ass Diamond NCS which I absolutely detest!

    Somehow, I think the “Ag” boys beat textile and pulp to the punch at State! And they still have jobs!

    Chain, if you ever need a spare “Diamond NCS hat”, let me know..It’s even in “green and blacK”! Wonder which marketing whiz kid decided to do that one?

  22. tractor57 09/26/2011 at 2:50 PM #

    That “Diamond NCS hat” was courtesy of Sheridan who brought the logo idea with him from Furman. I never liked that design just like I do not like colors other than red and white.

    Nice work ‘Pride.

    My days on campus were between the ’74 and and the ’83 championships so I had the joy of Mrs. Norman Sloan singing the National Anthem in Reynolds, Holtz and Rein coaching football, Kay Yow’s very early years, chancellor Thomas, Kenny Carr, Ted Brown, no cafeteria on campus and a lot of other things. I was in the first generation of my family to attend college so there was not family tie to State. In fact I grew up a UNX fan until I got the acceptance letter from the only college where I applied.

    Never saw Valvano in Reynolds – I did see him in Clemson that magical ’83 year.

  23. GoldenChain 09/26/2011 at 2:51 PM #

    “I have to wonder, though. With all this patting ourselves on the back here… would we be this teary-eyed reminiscing if State had lost to Pepperdine in 1983, and to Maryland in the 1974 ACC tournament?”

    I have news for you, a play here and a play there and anyone could say that. Even Duke, even unx, even UCLA.
    The point is the plays were made when they had to be made.
    I’ll point out that in that 10 game winning streak in ’83 we beat how many ranked teams Truth? I’ll help you out: we beat heavily favored unx & UVA to win the ACCT just to have a shot @ NCAAT. Then we beat powers UNLV, UVA (again), and Houston. That’s 5 wins over top 10 or 12 schools in a very strong year. So you can say what you want but the truth is V and those kids put themselves in the position to be in a scrap w/the UMd’s and the Pepperdines.
    You make a good point that unless something changes those successes will fade into antiguity with those of us who wittnessed them unless we come up with inspiring coaches who can recruit players with the same passions. And no, personally I don’t think that means paying top $ for the “flavor of the year” coach.
    It means catching a Case, a Valvano, a Holtz, or a Sheridan whose star is rising.

    …I think that’s why we’re all here. I think that’s what Pride was saying.

  24. TruthBKnown Returns 09/26/2011 at 2:58 PM #

    GC, the point wasn’t that we should or shouldn’t have won those championships. The point was we can’t sit here and pretend that they don’t impact our ability to “never give up” on the Pack. They matter. They’re a source of pride for us. And they motivate us.

  25. Pack1969E 09/26/2011 at 3:02 PM #

    Perhaps I was too negative a few days ago in my post, but this blog almost states my case for loyalty and never giving up. I just wish a bunch of you could participate in the invasion of Hillsboro St and the Capitol the way we did in 1967 after beating Houston. Were we as high as number 3 nationally? No matter the rankings, the white shoes defense and those of us who supported NCSU knew what winning felt like if only for a short time. It has to come back…Go Pack. I’m talking football. We did it; we have to find a way to do it again and sustain the winning tradition. That would indeed be something that has not yet been achieved in West Raleigh. I never give up hope; none of you should….

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