ESPN Blog: NC State tailor-made for Tubby(Updated Tubby entry – 3:15 pm)

Updated at 3:15 pm:

Apparently Eamonn Brennan of College Basketball Nation Blog hasn’t gotten the memo from the national talking heads yet. He thinks one of the best coaches of the last 20 years might actually be a realistic target for NC State:

Smith is clearly frustrated, and with good reason; 2010-11 is the second-straight promising Gophers season derailed by injuries and personnel woes, from Nolen to starting guard Devoe Joseph, who surprised Minnesota with a midseason transfer in January. But do his quotes say something larger about his desire to leave Minneapolis this offseason? There are always rumblings around Smith — he was one of many candidates rumored to be in the picture at Oregon last summer — and the impending job openings at Georgia Tech and NC State would seem tailor-made for him if he decided to leave.

What’s more, no less reliable a source than our own Doug Gottlieb is already hearing the rumor-mill murmurs about Smith’s potential departure:

The hottest chatter in coaching news is the speculation that Tubby Smith will be on the move this offseason. Three different head coaches told me the coaching fraternity is abuzz over whether Georgia Tech will buy out Paul Hewitt (reportedly in excess of $5 million dollars) and land Smith.

We have plenty of time to await that news. In the meantime, one thing is clear: Smith isn’t happy. The extent of that unhappiness — whether it’s reserved to this year’s team, or involves his program and situation at large — will be one of the more intriguing stories in what should be an otherwise quiet rumor mill this spring.

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Monday Morning’s initial entry:

Below is the latest report on Tubby Smith’s status beyond this season at Minnesota. Smith has been discussed behind the scenes by the authors of Statefansnation as one of the top, realistic potential hires for NC State. He has previously been tied to Debbie Yow as a replacement for Gary Williams two years ago. Also, he and his family have strong reasons to get back to the south with family in Maryland, Virginia, and Florida. Tubby played college basketball at High Point University where he also met his wife. One of his first coaching jobs was a high school job in Hoke County, NC.

Finishing his career at Minnesota makes very little sense for his family(at least to us) and Minnesota is nowhere near building the practice facility that was promised to him when he took the job. The funding isn’t even close to in place yet. Smith turns 60 years old this year. He probably has 5-8 years left in his career and he needs to make the jump sooner rather than later as his age will become more of a factor in landing his last high-major opportunity.

One source has indicated that one of the openings he would be interested in going into the season was NC State.

Sources have told ESPN’s Doug Gottlieb that Tubby Smith will leave Minnesota after this season.

There’s some speculation over whether Georgia Tech will buy out the remainder of Paul Hewitt’s contract and land Smith.

The Gophers are 17-11 overall and 6-10 in the Big Ten.

Via Doug Gottlieb/ESPN.com

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131 Responses to ESPN Blog: NC State tailor-made for Tubby(Updated Tubby entry – 3:15 pm)

  1. rtpack24 02/28/2011 at 5:56 PM #

    Tubby Smith is a great guy and a very good basketball coach. However, his situation in Minn has been downhill all year, for whatever reasons. He has blasted his players in the press which is not good for any program. The Kentucky job and his departure took alot out of him. I believe his best days are behind him. Our job should it become available will require a coach with something to prove, as everyone has pointed out Tubby has nothing to prove. Why hire a coach that you know you will not have more than 5 or 6 yrs. Tubby would have been a good hire when we brought Sid in, but now I believe is too late

  2. novawolf 02/28/2011 at 5:59 PM #

    Actually if Tubby gets the job, you’ll hear Herb’s name a lot…one of Rick Pitino’s early coaching staffs included Tubby Smith, Herb Sendek, Billy Donovan and Ralph Willard.

  3. JT 02/28/2011 at 6:02 PM #

    Smith’d be s very good safe hire. Very good coach, not great. Can’t say I’d be excited to see him at State, but it’d be okay. The name I hear more rumors about is Donovan, possibly willing to leave Florida for the right price, and I’d pony up big time for him. That would be a great hire. Smith would be a good but boring hire.

  4. novawolf 02/28/2011 at 6:12 PM #

    I also have serious doubts about a Tubby Smith hire. One of his major problems at Kentucky was reported to be recruiting. He apparently didn’t care for it, and while he continued to get some good players, they were not the caliber of recruits to which Kentucky was accustomed. The pressure of the Kentucky job and the Kentucky fans nitpicking took their toll on him. Despite a national title, which he won with Pitino’s players one year (I think) after Pitino left, he bailed, which appears good for him and for Kentucky. While I have a healthy respect for Tubby’s record, I’d say he’s “a” candidate, and expect that Ms. Yow will have a serious search rather than a cursory “Tubby’s available”.

  5. novawolf 02/28/2011 at 6:12 PM #

    I also have serious doubts about a Tubby Smith hire. One of his major problems at Kentucky was reported to be recruiting. He apparently didn’t care for it, and while he continued to get some good players, they were not the caliber of recruits to which Kentucky was accustomed. The pressure of the Kentucky job and the Kentucky fans nitpicking took their toll on him. Despite a national title, which he won with Pitino’s players one year (I think) after Pitino left, he bailed, which appears good for him and for Kentucky. While I have a healthy respect for Tubby’s record, I’d say he’s “a” candidate, and expect that Ms. Yow will have a serious search rather than a cursory “Tubby’s available”.

  6. Wolfy__79 02/28/2011 at 6:29 PM #

    not that it matters but i don’t see sidney lowe chasing “big name” recruits. he was on john wall from the beginning.. hickson pretty early and his current three were recruited early on.. leslie being frowned upon b/c of his “laziness” but noone was shooting for lozo or harrow. they are all three to be improved but great players to me. wall was bought out by kentuchy!.. there was money somewhere in that deal.

    okay so maybe our recruits look so “great” as compared to the one good recruit per year hwsnbn would bring in?? he’s done a pretty good job recruiting at a school who hadn’t really recruited for 10+ years. he had no avenues preceeding him for recruits so that’s where my “great” comes from.

    unx’ coaches don’t recruit, the school does.. nike does.. but not hole roy. he merely looks at the buffet, that’s not recruiting.

  7. mwcric 02/28/2011 at 6:41 PM #

    I don’t understand all the griping about how awful it would be to hire an up-and-comer. In my 40 years of life I can only recall four instances wherein an ACC school hired an already-established BCS-level coach, NOT including instances of alums returning to their alma maters (G. Williams, R. Williams, Doherty):
    * Virginia getting Pete Gillen from Providence
    * Virginia getting Tony Bennett from Washington State
    * Clemson getting Rick Barnes from Providence
    * Miami getting Leonard Hamilton from Oklahoma State.

    Hamilton is far and away the biggest coup in that list. We like to mythologize Barnes – and he was successful by Clemson standards – but his overall winning percentage there was 61%, and his ACC winning percentage was 44%.

    Point being the trend seems to point toward up-and-comers being overall better hires than established coaches (though granted, none of the schools mentioned above are BCS powerhouses).

  8. leewolf 02/28/2011 at 6:51 PM #

    Assuming that we don’t get a big name guy that is younger (which I have gone ahead and assumed is the case), then you don’t pass on Tubby. There is no mid-major guy that is can’t miss in my opinion, including Marshall. Hell, Marshall isn’t even my top choice from the MVC at this point.

    Tubby could immediately come in and turn the program around, make this a tournament team and ACC title contender (assuming we don’t lose a ton of folks). His recruiting has been pretty damn good at Minnesota.

  9. VaWolf82 02/28/2011 at 7:01 PM #

    I don’t understand all the griping about how awful it would be to hire an up-and-comer.

    See:
    Gillen, Pete (who was very successful at Xavier)
    Sendek, Herbert
    Hewitt, Paul
    Jones, Jeff
    Staak, Bob
    Odom, Dave
    and on and on.

    The issue is risk. You might get the next K, but probably not.

  10. Wolfy__79 02/28/2011 at 7:06 PM #

    tubby has beaten unc as many times as sidney has in his tenure…yikes!

  11. Wolfy__79 02/28/2011 at 7:08 PM #

    …^that being the win earlier this season..

  12. choppack1 02/28/2011 at 7:29 PM #

    I’d be thrilled to get Tubby if the following was tried first:
    Barnes, Donovan, Anthony Grant, Sean Miller, Thad Matta, and Wright…

    I seriously doubt those guys would come here.

    I share the concern that others do with bringing in Smith. Here’s a guy that you know has a ceiling, he’s shown to be an average recruiter at best who usually leaves the program in worse condition than he found it. OTOH, he usually does start out very well. And he has won everywhere he’s been.

    One thing about all of Pitino’s guys – be prepared for A LOT of drama. For whatever reason, whether it’s Donovan, Sendek or Tubby – you seem to have a lot of pissed off players and chemistry problems galore.

  13. mwcric 02/28/2011 at 8:16 PM #

    I hear what you’re saying VaWolf82 – even though, although Gillen went from a mid-major to Providence, not UVA, and did well enough at Providence to get hired away by the Hoos at a ridiculous price. He flamed out, but for what it’s worth he did have Virginia in the top 10 many times in his tenure (before choking). Jeff Jones was not a mid-major coach, but a longtime UVA assistant to Holland. Hewitt did take GT to a Final Four and Odom had a decent run at WFU with Childress, Duncan et al. I think the common factor with these is that they started hot and cooled off (as opposed to Herb, who was consistently stuck in third gear and Staak who was a shady if I remember correctly). The argument is circular. What about Thad Matta (Xavier to Ohio State); K (Army to Duke); Matt Painter (Purdue assistant to HC); Dave Rose (BYU assistant to HC); Jamie Dixon (Pitt assistant to HC); Bo Ryan (UW-Milwaukee to Wisconsin); Calipari (Memphis to Kentucky); Steve Fisher (NBA assistant to San Diego St.); Boeheim (Syracuse assistant to HC); Lorenzo Romar (St. Louis to Washington)?

    Risk is inherent with any decision. That’s why the AD’s make the big bucks. And it’s not accidental. Just look at what a coaching factory Xavier has been over the years. They’ve been raided year after year by the big dogs and continue to find excellent replacements for what they’ve lost. That’s not luck.

  14. wayofthemaster 02/28/2011 at 8:30 PM #

    Agree with choppack1.

    Tubby is fine, if Yow misses out on the first 4-5 big names.

    He went 18-14 in the SEC in his last two years at Kentucky, never getting past the second round of the NCAA’s.

    He’s 32-25 in the Big 10 in his four years at Minnesota, and hasn’t gotten past the first round of the NCAA’s (I’m aware they stank before he got there).

    Plus, every story you read in a Minnesota or Kentucky newspaper calls his time at those two schools disappointments (he never got back to the Final Four with Kentucky after winning the title his first year).

    His best basketball seems to be behind him.

  15. PoppaJohn 02/28/2011 at 8:31 PM #

    Hmmm
    Interesting arguments on both sides.
    DY better get comfortable with the recruiting question (Can he recruit at a high level?) because he’s going to be in a dog fight to bring quality players to State. He’d better like recruiting, it’s a big part of being successful. I can see a coach nearing retirement getting sick of kissing the butts of high school prima donnas.

    One thing I’d be excited about is he could teach these current players how to play basketball, including rebounding and defense. It would be a treat to watch them reach their potential.

  16. wayofthemaster 02/28/2011 at 8:39 PM #

    32-35 at Minnesota.

    My bad.

  17. 61Packer 02/28/2011 at 8:39 PM #

    Am I the only one on here who thinks there’s still a chance that Low will get one more season?

    All the talk about Tubby sounds good, almost too good to be true.

  18. Wolfy__79 02/28/2011 at 8:52 PM #

    sure there’s a chance he gets to finish up next year. i hope not. the @unx game did it for me. since then he’s kept the wheels from coming off but that’s about it. if dY doesn’t make a move i will have serious concerns about the basketball program..even the athletic dept. i love sidney, but he’s killing me! seriously, who can stand another year of this???

  19. camel77 02/28/2011 at 9:27 PM #

    Please let GT have him. We have gone through enough coaching change in the last twenty years. What we need is a younger coach that can come in and be successful for fifteen or twenty years. This is why Duke and UNC are in the position they are in. They hae the same coaches in place for a long period of time. You may say that Roy hasn’t been all that long but he is apart of the coaching tree that has been in place for fifty years now. Tubby may come in and have some good years but to go through another coaching search in five to eight years doesn’t help in the long run.

  20. howlie 02/28/2011 at 10:08 PM #

    JEOH:
    1) “Although Smith compiled an impressive resume during his UK career, he came under considerable pressure from many UK fans, who believed that his failure to achieve even a single Final Four appearance in his last nine seasons was inadequate by UK standards. This drought is the longest of any coach in UK history, although Tubby did come just a double-overtime loss short of another Final Four appearance in 2005. On March 22, 2007, Smith resigned his position of UK Head Coach to accept the head coach position at the University of Minnesota.” [from wiki].

    2) Herb & Tub MIGHT be comparable, in the belief that sustaining programs at levels of mediocrity is acceptable here. Whereas Herb felt 5 NCAA appearances was extraordinary achievement, it was clear our program plateaued & would never build improve beyond that point. I’m afraid Tubby would mistakenly believe that would be adequate here. Mind you, Tubby could turn into powerhouse here… I just don’t see the ingredients and motivation for Tubbo to make it happen here.

    3) Yes, we’ve tried the up-&-comer. His name was Valvano, & it worked out well before the dark forces destroyed him & our program. The first point is to get the RIGHT up-&-comer. That’s not my choice, however. I simply stated I would prefer & up-&-comer to Tubby.
    I’m just one opinion on the board, & that’s all it is.

  21. camel77 02/28/2011 at 10:08 PM #

    This would be only a short term solution. We don’t need to go through another coaching search in five to eight years. What the ideal situation would be to find a younger coach that if successful would be here fifteen to twenty years. This is how to build a successful program and maintain for a longer period of time.

    Also if Tubby was to come and stay for eight years, the last couple of years would be hard for him to recruit because other coaches would be telling recruits that wouldn’ be there to coach them for their college career.

  22. jbpackfan 02/28/2011 at 10:36 PM #

    61Packer Says:
    February 28th, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Am I the only one on here who thinks there’s still a chance that Low will get one more season?

    _______________________

    I’m pretty sure he’s gone. In addition to other things, it can’t be a good sign for him that Mr. Murphy declined his ACC Tourney tickets. I wonder if Murphy has ever refused his tickets, esp. when the Tourney is in Greensboro.

  23. JeremyH 02/28/2011 at 10:46 PM #

    What kind of name is Tubby?

  24. ThomYorkepack 02/28/2011 at 10:54 PM #

    It’s mildly amusing to see folks on here debate the merits of a Tubby Smith hire when we have lost 63% of our ACC games, and had 6 NCAA bids during the last 21 years.

    OF COURSE Tubby Smith would be a fantastic hire at NC State. He wouldn’t be my first choice, but he may be our most realistic “A” list candidate.

    Hiring Tubby Smith would be very similar to the TOB football hire, only better. A proven coach? One that has had success at every single program he’s ever coached? One that has a national title on his resume? One that would give the program instant credibility? On paper, he would be by far the best basketball or football hire in State history.

  25. triadwolf 02/28/2011 at 11:04 PM #

    In a perfect world I prefer an up and comer with a high potential ceiling. However, we’ve been out of the game for 20 yrs., if we have a chance to get a coach like Tubby we need to strongly consider him.

    While I have some concerns with him, we are at a point where we absolutely cannot afford to miss on this hire. Tubby is a safe hire that brings us instant credibility across the board and one that we would maintain a very good chance of retaining all the current players.

    I really feel this may be the most important hire in NC State Basketball history. While I want a homerun, I’ll take a triple over a strikeout. Strike out and the games over…

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