Seth Davis & SFN address NC State fans

Dear NC State fans,

Don’t you feel smarter and significantly more special being condescended to by a Duke graduate of the ilk of Seth Davis?

Now that you’ve seen the video once…go back and watch it again with some cynicism and a more discerning eye. Is it me, or does Seth’s comments of our history early in the video seem particularly contrived and even sarcastic?

You know…for such an irrelevant basketball program the media sure does like to talk A LOT about poor old NC State!?!?

I was actually working on a much longer and fact-based response to old Seth and his buddies in the drive-by media…but, I just can’t justify spending my time beating against the wall anymore. Many of my points will come out in future entries just as they have in past entries of the last fifteen years. But for now there is no reason to try to educate ‘first level’ thinkers with second and third level information and analysis.

It just doesn’t work. I don’t even think it can be done. Either one is equipped with the gift of critical thought and complex problem solving; or they have to have those skills fostered and nurtured through challenges and experiences. If one doesn’t innately possess an ability to analyze issues, then sitting in front of a television camera &/or writing about sports for a career ain’t the place to figure it out.

I look at it like this — we have a group of lawyers, engineers, statisticians, bankers and other professionals that make up the volunteer author team at SFN. As a hobby, we’ve been able to successfully build a ‘media presence’ competing against the good old mainstream media like Seth and others. Over the last few years we’ve been able to generate a decent amount of credibility and following; and we’ve generated well over 25 million pageviews since we launched. That’s pretty good. Pretty successful. And, pretty amazing for a bunch of hacks with no ‘formal’ training who just sit down in front of a keyboard.

So allow me to ask you professionals a question — conversely, could Seth Davis, Gary Parrish, Tim Brando, Mike Patrick or most any other of these national sports guys turn the table on you and so easily walk into your profession and claim such success with no real experience? Could one of these guys underwrite a loan? try a legal case? spec requirements for building? perform surgery? sell a medical device? treat a sick animal? run a business and meet payroll? obtain a consulting or M&A engagement from a Fortune 500 client? audit a firm or compile financial statements of a business?

Only in this weird world of the ‘media’ do people with so little real world analytical experience and professional credibility get to have their opinions ‘mean’ so much. It is that power that just adds to the disappointment that those with the loudest megaphones wouldn’t try harder to more deeply understand issues on which they opine. But, I digress.

The great news for all of us is that guys like Seth are going to very soon have the opportunity to put his money where his mouth is. Soon, Coach K will be retiring from his beloved Duke University and will ride into the sunset. So, it won’t be too long until we can all read and watch as Seth Davis beats the drum for the need for Duke to hire the great Herb Sendek as their next basketball coach!! That is, of course, unless The Great Sendek won’t have already been snapped up by some other top program out there.

Folks, the very reaction of either laughter or utter disbelieve experienced by EVERYONE who just read that previous statement is exactly why Herb Sendek isn’t the right Head Basketball Coach for any major college basketball program. If he were, don’t you think he would have landed some job better than crappy old NC State over his 18 year coaching career? Seth?

Something tells me that old Herbie will still be available for Duke or UNC or Kentucky or Florida or Michigan State or Texas or Kansas or Maryland or Louisville or Michigan or Syracuse or UConn or Ohio State or UCLA or Indiana or Notre Dame or dozens of other programs when their jobs become available. And, something tells me that not a single one of the programs who have ignored The Great Sendek for the last two decades will suddenly swoop in and choose to hire him.

Isn’t that weird? Not only did NC State provide Herb Sendek the platform to succeed and make over ten million dollars; but NC State retained Herb Sendek after an initial five year period when almost every other school in America would have fired him!! In the HUNDREDS of job changes over the last 15 years, no other top basketball program in the country has chosen to hire Herb Sendek; but they are immune from media criticism while the school that actually did give him a chance gets criticized!?

The thanks we got from Sendek was his CHOOSING to leave after his 10th season when he had very little experienced talent returning and a very weak incoming recruiting class. (What a ‘coincidence’?)

The thanks we continue to get from idiot sports writers is ridiculous criticism that fails to notice that NC State continues to be the most high profile job Herb Sendek has ever been offered. We get criticized for hiring him and keeping him 10 years. No other school gets criticized for NOT HIRING him!

The contradictions in the media’s ‘thought’ processes are dumbfounding. NC State is an awful job that can’t expect to get a great coach; yet, we supposedly had a fantastic coach in Herb Sendek. Get it?

NC State is an awful job that can’t expect to be successful on par with many other programs; yet Herb Sendek was able to find supposed success at NC State for a five year period that he has not been able to replicate at either of his other two coaching stops. That’s odd. Did he have success at State or not? Can State have success or not? Was it Sendek? or was it NC State? Considering that FOUR other NC State Head Basketball Coaches have managed to win a total of 10 ACC Championships in the 43 years before Sendek arrived (more than every school in the ACC except UNC-CH…including Duke)…I ask the same question again — was it Sendek (who never won a title in 10 years)…or was it NC State?

Last one — Herb Sendek is a fantastic coach that NC State should have been very pleased to have; yet, the only other job that Herb Sendek has been able to secure in the open market over the last 18 years is at one of the perpetually worst 20 programs in major college basketball conferences.

Don’t you understand the logic? The sports writers sure seem to! …which is exactly why they are sports writers.

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73 Responses to Seth Davis & SFN address NC State fans

  1. slushy1975 02/11/2011 at 12:58 AM #


    Seth Davis was correct that having a coach who led us to 5 straight NCAA’s was not enough for the Wolfpack fanbase so Herb Sendek took a better paying job at NC State. Had or if Roy Williams or Coach K lead UNC & Duke, respectively, with such little passion for the schools, traditions and grudges of the team they coach, their stories would end the same way. The modern day Duke-UNC rivalry wouldn’t be the ESPN lovefest it’s become if either Roy or K were apathetic about showing up to work on those two days of the basketball season.

    A great basketball program cannot reach its heights without a coach who, first, can coach college basketball players and, second, without a coach who is an absolute partisan for the team they lead. The Pack has secured the services of coaches who possessed one ability or the other, but seemingly not both.

    By the way, it’s easy to fire up Pack fans by revisiting Sendek then making Lowe’s struggles a comparison. What you’re absorbing is an element of show business, a few quick sentences read over a Teleprompter to bring attention and relevance to commentator. Fair enough. It’s tasty bait.

    1983 was a magical year but magic was the key element. The Pack wouldn’t have been an NCAA tournament without a conference tournament run. The years after 1983, our program was strong, with a competitive spirit until Jimmy V left. We could win without the magic. In the scheme of things, considering where we want our basketball program, we wouldn’t want it to be 1983 again. Odds are tremendously against catching that lightning.

  2. packalum44 02/11/2011 at 1:11 AM #

    Look at the rat-like smirk on his face. He reminds me of kids we used to give wedgies in middle school. If anyone ever sees him give em’ a wet willy for me.

  3. WV Wolf 02/11/2011 at 1:54 AM #

    I think this quote from CNBC’s Darren Rovell is appropriate:

    Sports broadcasting is too much of a 1 way street. Diehard fans are smarter than announcers. Networks have to accept this.

    I know more about NC State basketball than Seth Davis or the other guy from CBS Sportsline, as do many other die hard State fans. When I know more than the “experts”, I really don’t care what they think and I didn’t bother reading or watching their opinions.

    However I completely understand why SFN felt the need to write a public rebuttal because the “experts” do have a platform to get their opinion out in the public that the more informed die hard fan usually doesn’t.

  4. Hamlet 02/11/2011 at 3:00 AM #

    To put it mildly, I’ve never particularly liked Seth Davis. I see no reason to start now.

  5. BureauOfMines 02/11/2011 at 4:11 AM #

    Why does Seth Davis bait us so?

    You’re quite right. For an such an irrelevant program, the “drive-by media” sure pays us a lot of attention. But why make such a smear video as this? Because he can. He’s standing before the camera saying nah nah na nah nah. HIs apparent intent is to taunt and rile NC Sate fans.

    As my daddy would say, he’s showin’ his aise.

  6. tractor57 02/11/2011 at 6:35 AM #

    Dear Seth,
    In the words of that country song:
    “If you don’t like Hank Williams …”

  7. mak4dpak 02/11/2011 at 7:27 AM #

    Success at State has existed and again can exist, but we have had incompetnt ADs, who had no clue, and thus the last 20 years. Hopefully our new AD, a woman, can show our past failures, how to have some balls, and find the right man for the job. I think she will, then Seth Davis can stick his comments, and sarcasm where the sun don’t shine. Roy and Coach K are not invincible, and a new coach has to feel that way when he takes the helm.

  8. bradleyb123 02/11/2011 at 7:50 AM #

    I’m getting to the point where I really want to just ignore the folks that bring up Herb Sendek. He’s gone. We’re glad he’s gone. He doesn’t want to come back, and we don’t want him to come back. We didn’t make a mistake in letting him walk (regardless of what happens with Sidney).

    But people like this idiot keep bringing up Herb and we take a black eye for it, because people that don’t know any better probably just swallow this garbage without giving it another thought.

    If only Sidney could have outperformed than Herb. Then they wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. They don’t anyway, they just don’t know that. Sidney’s lack of success makes them THINK they have a leg to stand on.

  9. NCSU88 02/11/2011 at 8:09 AM #

    Too bad Seth’s name isn’t Kyle.

  10. mak4dpak 02/11/2011 at 8:10 AM #

    I guess this idiot (Seth Davis) has failed to follow Herb’s accomplishments at ASU. Just enjoying hearing idiots blow off steam, when their comments are unfounded. Wonder why he is not coaching anymore? Too bad we can’t do a take on that one.

  11. Lock 02/11/2011 at 8:12 AM #

    Let. It. GO. Even if the media, whom you consider yourselves to be so much better than, won’t let it go.

    Learn what the high road is, and give it a shot every now and then.

    We didn’t make a mistake in letting Sendek go, but he sure as hell doesn’t deserve the ridiculous amount of hate he’s still getting, and honestly? I think that’s why all these ‘media-types’ still give us grief.

    It’s been 5 years, and we still give HIM grief. FOR DOING WHAT WE (in a loose sense) WANTED HIM TO DO.

    SFN, please, for the love of God, talk about something else. I don’t care if news reporters are still giving us hell. I think it’s because they know how to bait the most vocal and irrational among us, and it works time and time again. So talk about something else. Invent it if you have to. How’re the club teams performing this year? Seem to remember we used to have a competitive Ultimate team.

    Also, if you think a Duke grad gives a rat’s ass about us right now, you’re sorely overinflating our current status, sad as that may be.

  12. Sw0rdf1sh 02/11/2011 at 8:20 AM #

    I’ve heard of Gary Parrish twice….just twice in my lifetime. And they both dealt with NC State. Is it just me or does it take kicking the hornets nest for him to get some pub?

    I’ll say it again. Tradition doesn’t go away. We’ve had it since the 40’s, it just took a beating with V’s ouster. Most of these homers don’t know that because we’ve made it easy on them since that time.

    That will soon be over. And soon is a relative term.

  13. PackInsider 02/11/2011 at 8:23 AM #

    Herb’s passion for NC State was there, he just did not outwardly show it. That, IMO, was not his problem. His problem was that he didn’t win enough. I am convinced he wanted to win here more than any single person in our entire fan base. It just didn’t happen. When he didn’t win enough, like any other coach, all of his perceived flaws and minor annoyances became magnified and epic. Just like whistling, bow ties, red shoes, red jackets, day-tight compartments, chopping wood, etc.

  14. Rick 02/11/2011 at 8:48 AM #

    Great response. It takes no talent or skill to talk about things you know nothing about.

    BTW who is Seth Davis?

  15. T-Pack 02/11/2011 at 8:50 AM #

    Saying “I told you so” is unfortunately a human foible that only the most self-assured of us can forego. Even more unfortunate is the fact that there are many who would call attention to themselves and their own faux-wisdom by saying “I told you so,” even when they didn’t. It’s called, “Look at me as I rub someone’s nose in it! I’m smart … they’re not.”

    I read this Vince Lombardi quote earlier this week, one that I hadn’t heard before. “Gentlemen, we will chase perfection, and we will chase it relentlessly, knowing all the while we can never attain it. But along the way, we shall catch excellence.”

    Herb was a good coach, but not a great coach … one that hasn’t won anything but a couple of CoY’s in over 15 years. He chased mediocrity and caught it easily, but came nowhere close to catching excellence.

  16. VaWolf82 02/11/2011 at 8:56 AM #

    Seth Davis, Gary Parrish, and the TROLL (Greg Doyell) all have several things in common (beyond their double-digit IQs).

    -Can you think of what they are?
    -Do you think that there might be some cause/effect going on?

  17. BassPacker 02/11/2011 at 9:10 AM #

    Only thing I don’t understand bout this idiot Davis is why is only platform to dishing Pack Nation is by comparing Sendek to Lowe. All Pack Nation know that its not about the two, only uninformed media wannabees like Davis think it is. If Davis wanted to be really relavent in how the basketball program went south, he should be taking issue with the past Athletic Director not the fans and alumni. Maybe the media should also compare the situation with Lowe more with Matt Daughtery at UNC. Why wasn’t he given 5 yrs by the loyal Tarheel fan base? Why is it different for UNC to want success compared to NC State. So Pack Nation needs to remain content after 5 yrs for both coaches while another on Tobacco Rd was correct in firing after one?

    I look at it this way with the Davis video. “Thank You Mr. Davis for the great endorsement why NC State is one of the best HC opportunities and distinations for a basketball coach”. What real coach wouldn’t want the opportunity to come to a school that plays third fiddle to Coach K and Roy Williams? I mean if you wanna be a great coach for a traditionally great school, you gotta beat those great programs and coaches mentioned……..right Mr. Davis? Sounds like a great opportunity at NC State.

    And when a coach such as Sendek can’t embrace tradition and fans wanting more than making the dance, then he should move on. And after Sendek is fired at ASU next year, we all look forward to Mr. Davis endorsing him for replacing the retiring Coach K or Roy Williams.

  18. section2chuck 02/11/2011 at 9:15 AM #

    I am done with these hacks…They don’t know want their talking about, and they are giving our fans and program a bad name, and trying their best to “warn” potential candidates from coming to NC State. Because we are so delutional, and their success will always be measured up to the Great Duke/UNC programs. I never hear this argument about the other jobs in the ACC, why just us? Once again, it doesnt matter if you are 10 miles or 1,000 miles away from the two blues….you still have to compete. Also, if they are the gold standard for the ACC, what’s so wrong about wanting your program to get to that level or at least compete?

  19. Rick 02/11/2011 at 9:18 AM #

    “Seth Davis, Gary Parrish, and the TROLL (Greg Doyell) all have several things in common (beyond their double-digit IQs).”

    Let me guess. They spent the three years they were in the tenth grade with a constant swirly?

  20. Rick 02/11/2011 at 9:20 AM #

    Wait, is it an affinity for midget porn?

  21. swamppack 02/11/2011 at 9:24 AM #

    This is certainly a taunt piece to say the least. The response to the vid. was well written, StateFans.

    You alluded to the fact we have some good writing and some insightful perspective here at SFN and you’re right. We’re on here to have fun, be a part of something we love, and hopefully do a little good along the way. Even when we get childish on here sometimes I look at most of that as comraderie. We’re not paid pros in the field of journalism.

    Seth Davis though, as stunning as it may seem, is a paid journalist. Professional? uh-uh.

    I had to sit back, cool off and gain the right perspective on this before I could comment. By doing that I got a giggle at the vision that came to mind of Seth and the rest of his toddler-mentality buddies and the pathetic lack of intellect they collectively share in while doing these You-tube-quality videos.

    By the way, I realize that all Seth saw during his yrs. at Duke was a second-rate State ballclub, but my how shallow and self-absorbed his child-like mind must be to have been on Tobacco Road for 4 yrs. and not have any more respect for the history and tradition than he does.

    Shame on CBS sports.

  22. tractor57 02/11/2011 at 9:26 AM #

    grew up in NJ?

  23. VaWolf82 02/11/2011 at 9:32 AM #

    They all work for CBS and coincidentally two of them have started parroting the original Troll. It makes me wonder if Gregg shared the secret of generating more page views.

  24. tractor57 02/11/2011 at 9:41 AM #

    ah the NJ-Duke connection was so tempting

  25. novawolf 02/11/2011 at 10:30 AM #

    I can understand that venting on Seth Davis and on Herb Sendek in a Wolfpack environment, might be therapeutic or enjoyable for some. But I wonder, with StatefansNation becoming such a popular source of information for many, if this is in the best interest of N.C. State Basketball(?).

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