Bowles 9/30 email to Thorp: “There needs to be a sense of outrage expressed on our part,” and “Its [sic] not enough to just have not known””

Today brings more fun news from released emails!

Yesterday we learned through a released email that Butch was supposedly so in-tune with his 16 suspended players that he knew they needed counseling.  He thought they might do all sorts of bad things, even including violence.  This is a coach who supposedly had no idea that these same players were flying to places like Las Vegas, Miami, California, had no clue they were receiving free jewelry, did not know that others were at agent parties, was not aware that Chris Hawkins was hanging out in the weight room, did not know the tutor he privately employed was helping football players, did not know his players were training with agents over the summer, and did not know his Associate Head Coach was taking money from an agent while employed by UNC-CH.  I could go on.  He knew none of that stuff, but all of a sudden developed such admirable emotional empathy.  Riiiight.

Moving on, today we learn in an excerpt from this piece from the N&O that on September 30th, (in the wake of the Yahoo! revelations about Blake getting money from an Agent while Blake was a UNC-CH employee) Erskine Bowles gave marching orders to Thorp and Butch just before a press conference:

“There needs to be a sense of outrage expressed on our part,” Bowles wrote in a Sept. 30 email to Holden Thorp, the UNC-CH chancellor, one day after the Yahoo! report was published. “I know you feel it. Its [sic] not enough to just have not known. We are and should be both outraged and deeply disappointed that someone we hired would have done this. It is certainly something none of us would have condoned or turned a blind eye to.”

Thorp responded just 14 minutes later.

“Just tried to call you,” he wrote in part. “Butch going on camera at 2:50 with very specific instructions from me.”

Two questions.  If Bowles knew Thorp and Butch felt outrage, why did he need to tell them to express it?  Also, what is this “Its [sic] not enough to just have not known” stuff?  Hasn’t UNC-CH’s entire defense been that Butch not knowing is a totally acceptable explanation/excuse?

Remember, Bowles was running the show when McQueen Campbell and Oblinger (our BOT Chair and Chancellor) resigned over a mess was that was far less serious than the UNC-CH football scandals.  But for UNC-CH, Bowles has take the “lead spin master” role, telling Thorp and Butch what to say and how to say it while standing behind them at press conferences telling everyone how great they are.  No talk of resignations obviously.

The top administrators in the UNC system and UNC-CH are going way out of their way to protect an employee of the University that not only is not a part of the central mission of the University, but who has brought them immense shame and unprecedented negative press.  Apparently, Davis is more important than UNC-CH’s national reputation.  And the kicker is that Butch hasn’t even won anything!

I am told that “Dickie” was on the radio this afternoon saying that this all would be over in a few days.  In the past, that has been a sure indication that all hell was about to break loose.  Stay tuned.

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18 Responses to Bowles 9/30 email to Thorp: “There needs to be a sense of outrage expressed on our part,” and “Its [sic] not enough to just have not known””

  1. turfpack 12/09/2010 at 10:06 PM #

    Sooooo…..Dickie said it will be ALL over in a few days…….Riiiiight….just like in the movie’s…it will all be over soon don’t worry….WHAM!….and the dude gets wacked.

  2. wolf_at_my_door 12/09/2010 at 11:37 PM #

    The “leaders” at UNC are protecting Butch because BoT Bob wants him protected. Why is this? What makes BoT Bob’s wishes so important? There is something very, very rotten in Chapel Hill.

  3. wufpup76 12/09/2010 at 11:52 PM #

    I only heard some of the interview, but did hear the part where Dickie said they were “honestly, we’re just a few days away” from the end of all this.

    What we need to remember is that the investigators show up on individual days – such as a Tuesday, and news is released on an individual day, and penalties are released on an individual day … So when you think about it like that they really are just a few (individual) days away from the end! So what if there are weeks interspersed between those specific days – they’re still just days away!

    We’ve got to be REASONABLE!

    Another point of emphasis from Dickie was “We’re doing this the RIGHT WAY!” If only Adam or Joe would’ve asked if the right way was the Carowhina Way.

    Some of the other stuff said was just laughable.

    Adam did make Dickie stammer one time when he asked if Chief and the school should have known about Santa Blake’s (well known) reputation prior to hiring him.

    This is just unbelievable stuff.

  4. choppack1 12/09/2010 at 11:56 PM #

    I said in another post that it would appear that protecting the football interests of UNC isn’t really part of Erskine’s job descriptions.

    Some of us have long suspected that he was UNC first and foremost guy, the rest of the schools be damned, and this kind of proves it.

    Let’s put this way:

    Scandal breaks involving UNC-Pembroke’s mens basketball program.

    Assistant Head Coach turns out to be an agent.

    Several players suspended for cheating and/or taking improper benefits.

    A tutor working for the Head Coach involved in the cheating scandal.

    Yea – I’m sure Erskine would stand behind said Head Coach, their athletic director and Chancellor in a push to keep that Head Coach. He’d fire him a few days after the story broke. But not in this case.

    This UNC, and dammit, they have a chance to do something special in football and bring lots of money to this state. Erskine is a Tar Heel born and bred. If he was interested in academic integrity, he could have ended this charade a long time ago. Nope – he wants UNC to be the next Miami or ‘Bama.

    In the words of Marvin after the Heels beat Miami. “F___ the U! We’re the “U” now.” You see, Erskine, Butch, Holden and Dickie all just wanted what Marvin wanted.

  5. tractor57 12/10/2010 at 1:31 AM #

    The story grows tiresome (not the coverage by SFN rather the whole sordid mess). This will not be over in a few days – possibly in a few days the NCAA will reveal the extent of their investigation but the issue will not be resolved for several years.

    Just waiting for what will surely be revealed late Friday afternoon.

  6. LRM 12/10/2010 at 7:25 AM #

    Be clear: the *investigation* may be over in a few days, but that’s just information gathering. Don’t expect any kind of response from the NCAA for quite some time. Keep in mind that they began investigating Reggie Bush in 2005 and just handed out sanctions earlier this year.

    All that “outrage” will be long faded by the time anything actually happens.

  7. packplantpath 12/10/2010 at 7:56 AM #

    I don’t see Erskine as a big football guy, but I could be wrong. He is obviously a Carolina first guy. For perhaps the first time ever, the academic & football groups have something to agree on. They have to do damage control to protect their reputation.

    I suspect Bowles is truly furious about this, but his cronies on the UNC BOG have convinced him to let them play it out and try to do damage control. Keep in mind, from the UNC first perspective one of two things will happen. They try to keep the dirt under a cover of lies and misinformation in hopes of minimizing the damage or they come clean and admit to being a dirty program. To those of the “carolina way” persuasion, the second alternative is worse than death.

    Choppack is right, this isn’t the way it should be. It’s also not surprising.

  8. blpack 12/10/2010 at 8:30 AM #

    It all seems very well rehearsed. I didn’t know, yet I feel empathy and outrage over what happened. Marching orders from the top. An asst coach fall guy. Players suspended; a few kicked off the team. Turn your head and cough. The cover up is being exposed. They are all in it as thick as thieves.

  9. Hungwolf 12/10/2010 at 8:34 AM #

    I said it all along. total “cover up.” If I were the local media, I would be outraged because they have been misled and played. Bowles and Thorpe are the puppetmasters and the North Carolina media are the puppets!

  10. bradleyb123 12/10/2010 at 8:47 AM #

    This illustrates the corruption at the highest levels — it’s not just at Carolina, the institution, but it’s as high as North Carolina’s state GOVERNMENT.

    I feel like we’re screaming to the rest of the country “HEEEEEELP!!!”, but no one cares about the corruption, and nothing will be done about it. This is the “good ole boy network” in play here, and the rules are slanted in favor of the Heels.

    The school isn’t going to do anything about it. Our state government isn’t going to do anything about it. Our only hope is the NCAA. Will THEY do anything about it? And will it be enough? I have my doubts, but I’m still hoping for the best.

  11. Pack78 12/10/2010 at 9:10 AM #

    ^Amen-Let’s see: Mike Nifong (tarhole) goes rogue on the Duke Lacrosse team and gets hammered,Johnny-boy Edwards (tarhole) (apparently) commits
    major campaign funding fraud and (apparently) will get hammered, Mike Sleasly (tarhole) steals money hand-over-fist and gets convicted on one felony count (skated the others), to say nothing of the BS deal he drove for wifey at State. In all cases these low-lifes proceeded as if the rules don’t apply to them. Now we have the unx scandal which (apparently) reaches at least to the unx BOG and BOT; anybody else see a pattern here?

  12. Prowling Woofie 12/10/2010 at 9:15 AM #

    For God’s sake, Bowles was an integral part of the Clinton administration – do you not think he knows how to spin corruption, deception, and immorality ? That was his job then, and it’s his job now.

    We have a member of one of the slimiest good ole boy networks in the history of national politics in charge of our state university system, and overseeing the ‘investigation’ into his alma mater. What does that say about North Carolina ?

  13. coach13 12/10/2010 at 9:40 AM #

    UNC alum need to be purged from all positions of authority within NC’s university system and the ACC. Their voice in anything in the ACC should be silenced for some time. They should be placed in the back of the bus. I think the other ACC universities should step up regardless of the NCAA’s findings and speak out against the corruption at UNX. There needs to be a serious reckoning. I would have no objections to hangings.

  14. ppack3 12/10/2010 at 10:13 AM #

    “I only heard some of the interview, but did hear the part where Dickie said they were “honestly, we’re just a few days away” from the end of all this.” – I love when people begin a statement with, “Honestly….” Everyone knows that the next statement to spew from their mouth is a lie. Look, you don’t have to talk us into it, if it’s not a lie, Dickie. It’s like Butch saying, “Trust me.” Or, John Blake saying, “Believe me when I tell you this.”

    BTW, Coach13, if you think that the ACC member institutions are going to rise up to defeat this cover up, you are living in Candyland. This is called ‘Politics.’

  15. bradleyb123 12/10/2010 at 10:14 AM #

    I agree 100%, coach13. Absolutely.

  16. JeremyH 12/10/2010 at 10:56 AM #

    “… and the Oscar goes to …”

    “… *sob* … I’d like to thank the Academy, and my lying coach …”

  17. RegularExpression 12/10/2010 at 1:03 PM #

    Let there never, ever be any confusion that Bowles puts Carolina first and the UNC system second. He wears his love for UNC on his sleeve just as CD Spangler and other presidents before him did. I don’t hold out much hope that the incoming president will be much different given his ties to UNC.

    This is one of my favorite Bowles quotes:

    “Holden Thorp is doing a phenomenal job. He is, without a doubt, the single best decision I’ve made in my life.”

    That was before the scandal broke and Thorpe has appeared to way out of his league, but still, REALLY? The best decision of your life?? What a fahgoo.

  18. Pack78 12/10/2010 at 5:29 PM #

    For those that are old enough to remember, we need a review of these press conferences by Dan Akroyd of the old ’70’s Saturday Night Live skits playing Leonard Pinth-Garnell-to be called “Bad Press Conferences’,,,

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/4128/saturday-night-live-bad-ballet

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