Observers drops damaging UNC academic info; where have we heard this before?

If you missed it this weekend, the News & Observer/Charlotte Observer took a deeper dive into the type of ‘student’ athletes being admitted – and curiously remaining eligible – within the John Bunting & Butch Davis football programs at UNC-Chapel Hill.

The article is available here and a discussion had already been launched here on our forums.

The most revealing information in the article was the sheer scope and quantity of academic exceptions at UNC that the Observers verified:

At UNC, about half of the football recruiting classes over the past six years have been admitted to school through a special committee process required for students who fall below academic requirements. Those recruits include athletes who scored below 900 on the SAT or were in the lower half of their high school class.

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At N.C. State – which often recruits the same in-state athletes as UNC – 15 football players have gone before a special admissions committee since 2006 because they did not meet minimum curriculum requirements set by the UNC-system Board of Governors.

Gee.  That sounds familiar.!?  Where might I have heard something like that before? 

Oh yes…ON STATEFANSNATION.  Just about two months before the N&O published it.

With this said, I implore you to go back and read this fantastic entry from OCTOBER 7TH.  Please don’t just read the following as the quote from the October 7th entry as the entire is vital to this conversation (and I would really like to pump our pageviews some with some inter-linking)

Thorp’s comments didn’t square with some of the unverified information SFN has received regarding the academic prong of the current scandal as we have previously heard that an astronomical number – something along the lines of 45% to 50% – of Butch Davis’ recruits have been admitted by ‘special committee’ (once referred to as “academic exceptions” until Carolina hilariously did away with that designation years ago.) 

Well…this information is no longer ‘unverified’.  But, you had a feeling of its existence two months ago if you read SFN.

Soon, we will tackle the most obvious question of, “How in the world do all of these academic ‘committee cases’ remain academically eligible with such ease?”  As the article points out:

UNC officials say 49 out of 59 seniors who have played for Davis have graduated. Of the 17 seniors on this year’s team, officials say, 13 will graduate in December, and the other four are on schedule to get their degrees in May.

But a gulf exists at UNC between the traditional academic markers of its freshmen recruits and the overall student body. Incoming football recruits have had an average SAT score that ranges from nearly 300 to 400 points below that of the overall UNC freshman class for much of the past decade, according to numbers provided by UNC officials.

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34 Responses to Observers drops damaging UNC academic info; where have we heard this before?

  1. Prowling Woofie 11/29/2010 at 1:52 PM #

    ^^ Highstick, I must have missed this one – what’s the deal with Dwight Jones and Clemson ? Was he denied admission there before UNC admitted him ?

  2. Wufpacker 11/29/2010 at 1:52 PM #

    Yes, the question of what percentage of UNC-CHeat football players/recruits are “special committee” admissions is an interesting question. How that percentage compares to NCSU and other ACC (and NCAA) teams is interesting as well. But I’d also really like to know this….of those players that are considered special circumstance and are considered for special admission, how many are NOT admitted (if any) and of those that are not admitted how does their average star rating compare to those who are admitted.

    While I think I already know these answers, it would still be interesting to see it in print.

    Also, underwater basket weaving actually sounds pretty difficult to me.

  3. Prowling Woofie 11/29/2010 at 1:56 PM #

    Did anybody else notice Dickie and Holden on the field after the Duke-UNC football game, sporting their letter jackets (really ???) and smiling like idiots while back-slapping ole Butchie ?

    One of the stations had footage (WRAL or WTVD) of the two of them, running around like groupies. GAG !!!!

  4. packbackr04 11/29/2010 at 2:05 PM #

    seems to me if you average 20 recruits every year for 6 years you would have a total of 120 recruits. if 50% are academic exceptions. then 60 of UNX’s 120 recruits couldnt qualify on their own. If they are saying NC State has had 15 over the past 6 years, then using the same math, the Pack is making academic exceptions for 12.5% of their recruits.

    in other words, every class UNX has 10 academic exceptions, and State takes maybe 3.

    simplistic, and making a huge leap based on the numbers provided but that is staggering none the less.

  5. packbackr04 11/29/2010 at 2:09 PM #

    also, something i havent seemed mentioned but i would like to have clarified.

    at State “15 football players have gone before a special admissions committee since 2006 ”

    so… they went before the committee. what then? were all 15 admitted? the article doesnt seem to indicate that all 15 athletes were accepted to NC State, just that the coaches tried. if not, how many were admitted? what percentage of those that go before the committee are admitted at State vs UNC?

    It could just be careless wording from the N&O(big shock) but it needs addressing. it seems they are trying to paint a picture by using not necessarily the same set of numbers

  6. LKNpackfan 11/29/2010 at 3:21 PM #

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  7. wolfbuff 11/29/2010 at 3:35 PM #

    “Did anybody else notice Dickie and Holden on the field after the Duke-UNC football game, sporting their letter jackets (really ???) and smiling like idiots while back-slapping ole Butchie ?”

    Man love will make you do silly things.

    In seriousness, I don’t see how Thorpe escapes this ordeal with his integrity intact. I know the students like to see the chancellor support the athletics, but he seems to be enjoying himself a little too much playing “team owner” or “king of the hill.” I thought he was there to lead the university, and as such should portray a slightly more dignified persona. I would think he’d be more focused on the 10% budget cuts the University President has asked him to prepare for than working the tailgates, yucking it up in the luxury box, and back-slapping the coach down on the field. Reminds me of Jerry Jones (yuck)

  8. mafpack 11/29/2010 at 8:15 PM #

    Posted this in the forum thread, posting again here because it seems to have come up:

    My lovely wife pointed out that for the 15 players at State the ‘minimum curriculum requirements’ isn’t the same as the subpar SAT/GPA scores like the 50+ players for UNC, its stuff like only having 1 foreign language instead of 2, or only having a physical science instead of chemistry.

    Note: she used to work in the Durham Public School system and ran into these same curriculum issues with her students attempting to get into State/UNC/etc.

    Apparently in ‘educator’ speak, academic requirements are a very different animal than curriculum requirements… who knew.

  9. bradleyb123 11/30/2010 at 12:24 PM #

    mafpack, are you saying this only applies to the “NC State 15”? Or could this be true for Carolina’s slew of academic misfits, too?

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