Observers drops damaging UNC academic info; where have we heard this before?

If you missed it this weekend, the News & Observer/Charlotte Observer took a deeper dive into the type of ‘student’ athletes being admitted – and curiously remaining eligible – within the John Bunting & Butch Davis football programs at UNC-Chapel Hill.

The article is available here and a discussion had already been launched here on our forums.

The most revealing information in the article was the sheer scope and quantity of academic exceptions at UNC that the Observers verified:

At UNC, about half of the football recruiting classes over the past six years have been admitted to school through a special committee process required for students who fall below academic requirements. Those recruits include athletes who scored below 900 on the SAT or were in the lower half of their high school class.

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At N.C. State – which often recruits the same in-state athletes as UNC – 15 football players have gone before a special admissions committee since 2006 because they did not meet minimum curriculum requirements set by the UNC-system Board of Governors.

Gee.  That sounds familiar.!?  Where might I have heard something like that before? 

Oh yes…ON STATEFANSNATION.  Just about two months before the N&O published it.

With this said, I implore you to go back and read this fantastic entry from OCTOBER 7TH.  Please don’t just read the following as the quote from the October 7th entry as the entire is vital to this conversation (and I would really like to pump our pageviews some with some inter-linking)

Thorp’s comments didn’t square with some of the unverified information SFN has received regarding the academic prong of the current scandal as we have previously heard that an astronomical number – something along the lines of 45% to 50% – of Butch Davis’ recruits have been admitted by ‘special committee’ (once referred to as “academic exceptions” until Carolina hilariously did away with that designation years ago.) 

Well…this information is no longer ‘unverified’.  But, you had a feeling of its existence two months ago if you read SFN.

Soon, we will tackle the most obvious question of, “How in the world do all of these academic ‘committee cases’ remain academically eligible with such ease?”  As the article points out:

UNC officials say 49 out of 59 seniors who have played for Davis have graduated. Of the 17 seniors on this year’s team, officials say, 13 will graduate in December, and the other four are on schedule to get their degrees in May.

But a gulf exists at UNC between the traditional academic markers of its freshmen recruits and the overall student body. Incoming football recruits have had an average SAT score that ranges from nearly 300 to 400 points below that of the overall UNC freshman class for much of the past decade, according to numbers provided by UNC officials.

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34 Responses to Observers drops damaging UNC academic info; where have we heard this before?

  1. Clarksa 11/29/2010 at 11:03 AM #

    Wait…what? I have constantly been told that UNC-CHeat operated at a higher standard than everyone else? I wonder how this compares to other teams in the conference..or even compared to SEC teams?

  2. StateFans 11/29/2010 at 11:07 AM #

    “The Carolina Way” = “Everybody Does it”.

    Well…not everybody. Just the scummy programs.

  3. greatballsoffire 11/29/2010 at 11:15 AM #

    No one likes to hear this, but Carolina does have different standards than NCSU when it comes to admissions.

    We accept most that we know won’t make it through, but our weed-out courses are insanely difficult. This is mainly why our retention rates are terrible, but I don’t think it’s a bad thing. It just means that everyone gets a chance, but if you don’t cut it, you’re out.

    Carolina notoriously accepts applicants on the grounds of affirmative action.

    They should still hold all of their students to the same standards. None of this makes it right, but I guarantee you that will be an argument from those in CH.

  4. Paramarine 11/29/2010 at 11:26 AM #

    ^ Respectfully, I think you’re missing the point.

    I don’t think anyone disputes UNC’s stringent admissions standards for undergraduate students (as opposed to student-athletes).

    But, whenever kerliner loses out on a recruit, how many times have you heard them say that they backed off because he wasn’t qualified academically?

    Likewise, how many times have you gotten an earful about Shackleford as evidence that our academic standards are practically non-existent?

    Admittedly, we’ve been loose with athletic scholarships in the past. And perhaps there was a time when UNC was uncompromising in their standards – but this is no longer the case.

    Of course, that’s never stopped those in blue from attempting to create and perpetuate a stereotype that covers the whole of both institutions.

  5. jpack 11/29/2010 at 11:37 AM #

    And yet, somehow, they graduate. Maybe that’s the bigger question.

  6. choppack1 11/29/2010 at 11:45 AM #

    It would be really nice if the article gave an estimated # so the general public could see a comparison. We know that almost half of UNC’s recruits the last 6 years were committee cases and we know that 15 NC State recruits were committee cases – so, the question is the following:
    What % of NC State recruits were committee cases OR how many UNC recruits were committee cases?

    In addition, what academic cases constitute which athletes go before their respective committees? The article mentions that they are different, but doesn’t explain it.

    These are the basic questions/items that are missing from the coverage of this scandal. Those who think that the local media is doing an acceptable job of covering this story would have you believe that there just aren’t enough reporters to figure this kind of thing out or maybe there’s not enough space. Me, I think it shows that the media is still giving UNC a very favorable pass in all of this – or at the very least, not covering this story thoroughly enough.

    Finally – isn’t time for the media to question how legimate said graduation rate is?

  7. Paramarine 11/29/2010 at 11:45 AM #

    ^^ I think it is.

  8. choppack1 11/29/2010 at 12:07 PM #

    Yep Paramine – seems to me it’s basic logic…Let’s face it, given what we know at this point – a tutor w/ direct involvement w/ the HC implicated in a cheating scandal, harping on UNC’s graduation rate is like Bernie Madoff talking about his investment returns.

  9. coach13 11/29/2010 at 12:20 PM #

    Simple fact is their best players likely do not go to classes, get some pathetic degree that is useless in the real world IF they do stay long enough to graduate. Best bet is they probably sprinkle in some smart local recruits albeit not that talented who are die hard UNC fans along with smart walk-ons, none of which are likely any good or make a difference, and who make up the majority of the reported graduates.

    The concept of student athlete is foreign to that program, period.

  10. fullmoon1 11/29/2010 at 12:21 PM #

    It is like watching the Hindenburg explode or the titanic go down in flames or even the Death Star in Star Wars(thats IV A New Hope for you youngins). It is nice to see the observers chip away. Ahh the majestic destruction makes my morning mocha sweeter. Finally a little validation for what the rest of the acc already knew!

  11. fullmoon1 11/29/2010 at 12:23 PM #

    Ok the titanic did not go down in flames but you get teh point.

  12. Paramarine 11/29/2010 at 12:31 PM #

    I’m sure there were flames at some point.

  13. kiljadn 11/29/2010 at 12:33 PM #

    I for one have been really impressed with you guys and how you’ve kept the iron in the coals for the duration of the scandal.

    Job well done. SFN has been on the fore the whole time.

    Keep hammering guys, and don’t stop until the whole damn thing comes down.

  14. Ismael 11/29/2010 at 12:34 PM #

    ^ i think the flames were just drowned out by an ocean of water

  15. backnine 11/29/2010 at 12:36 PM #

    Until the NCAA proclaims similar info as fact, Tarheelia will continue to dismiss such articles. They will blindly follow along with the drum beat of Thorpe/Baddour/BOT that nothing is wrong over there. Mountains of data will be cast aside until a governing body FORCES them to accept punishment for their ways. Everyone over there is participating in the ruse in an effort to deceive the public on the realities. Hopefully the media will continue to stay on it. And a few more revelations in the near future wouldn’t hurt either.

  16. bradleyb123 11/29/2010 at 12:37 PM #

    Soon, we will tackle the most obvious question of, “How in the world do all of these academic ‘committee cases’ remain academically eligible with such ease?”

    Is it too obvious to suggest that they remain academically eligible due to their fantastic tutoring program over there in Chapel Hill? *wink* *wink*

  17. TheAliasTroll 11/29/2010 at 12:40 PM #

    This isn’t really news. We already knew Carolina had a roster full of idiots and cheaters.

  18. bradleyb123 11/29/2010 at 12:48 PM #

    AliasTroll, what this does is quantify what most of us already believed. It puts numbers to the problems, and helps bring them to light in a way that cannot be disputed. It also gives fodder to those who can and will ask MORE, and DEEPER questions, such as how do all these academic exceptions remain eligible, and graduate? The answer to THAT question could lead to more broken rules, and more sanctions.

    And if we can somehow force them to recruit more like the rest of us, they won’t be getting so many 4- and 5-star athletes.

    They broke the rules (or best case, bent them beyond recognition), and they benefited from that on the field of play.

  19. highstick 11/29/2010 at 12:48 PM #

    I would love to see the majors for those grads of Butchy!!

  20. bradleyb123 11/29/2010 at 12:50 PM #

    I always thought the “Underwater Basket-weaving” major was just a joke. At Carolina, it may just be an actual curriculum!

  21. jrsr 11/29/2010 at 12:51 PM #

    This just PROVES that it aint that hard to graduate from Chapel Hill.
    Getting a job with a UNC liberal arts degree is another story.

  22. fullmoon1 11/29/2010 at 1:05 PM #

    Brace yourselves for the…”everybody does it” followed by “perhaps the standards are far to rigorous for athletes, lets pay them and ease the requirements, afterall athletes lead such hard lives”, indicating the problem is the ncaa and the rules themselves, not the ability of unc to follow set rules. They use the same excuses my 8 year old does. Remeber when all the basketball players at UNCh majored in communications ;).

  23. packof81 11/29/2010 at 1:15 PM #

    choppack: “What % of NC State recruits were committee cases OR how many UNC recruits were committee cases?”

    That is the question indeed. Giving one as a percentage and the other as a number muddies the water, perhaps on purpose. It looks like they wish to avoid a direct comparison.

  24. highstick 11/29/2010 at 1:19 PM #

    jrsr, where do you think all of those Walmart managers matriculated?

    Guys, don’t forget Dwight Jones…Clempson is still trying to figure out how he got in…

  25. Old MacDonald 11/29/2010 at 1:27 PM #

    And somehow they have figured out a way to pay a coach over $2 million per year to field crappy teams with all of the NCAA violations and entrance rule-bending going on.

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