Breaking Lies: Austin, Little & Quinn permanently ineligible [11:40 Update & Commentary]

According to reports, Greg Little and Robert Quinn will never see the field again for UNC-CH.  According to the linked article:

Little accepted diamond earrings, as well as travel accommodations for the Bahamas, Washington D.C. and two trips to Miami, among other benefits. Quinn accepted two black diamond watches, a pair of matching earrings and travel accommodations for a trip to Miami, among other benefits.

Heather Dinich of ESPN contradicts Butch Davis’ repeated comments to the media suggesting that Austin has been working his way back onto the team and that his absence hasn’t been NCAA-related.

The NCAA found unethical conduct charges against Little and Quinn for providing false and misleading information, saying they were not truthful during three separate interviews with university and NCAA enforcement staff members. North Carolina did not seek to have Austin, who was ruled ineligible for accepting improper benefits, reinstated by the NCAA.

Dick Baddour released this statement regarding Austin, Little, and Quinn.

“It’s a sad day when three young men are no longer able to represent their school based on actions they have taken and decisions they have made contrary to NCAA rules. Unfortunately, they made serious mistakes in judgment in accepting extra benefits and then not being truthful with our staff and NCAA representatives. Now they must forfeit the privilege of playing again for the Tar Heels,” Baddour said in a statement.

One of the worst “offenses” that any school can commit where the NCAA is concerned is a lack of truthfulness by one of their representatives during an investigation.  This turn of events – not the suspension, but instead, some of UNC’s players lying to the NCAA – does not bode well for the UNC football team when the final punishment is doled out.

SFN Commentary (11:40am)

A real shocker here, folks (sarcasm). This set of developments only goes to show you HOW MUCH lying is/was going on here:

First, these ‘kids’ have been lying to the NCAA and anyone else who has been asking questions.  Blatantly lying over and over.  In my best Scooby Doo villain voice — ‘and they would  have gotten away with it, too if it weren’t for that meddling Marcel Dareus!’

But, it is just nice that the Carolina fans can no longer whine that the NCAA isn’t treating them fairly by not ruling on their athletes and keeping them in limbo.  No more of that.  Here is your ruling.  You have what you wanted.

And, we have what we wanted with another stroke that shows just how much lunacy – some would call lying – was behind Butch Davis’ ridiculous quotes that Marvin Austin is in the process of ‘working his way back on the team’.

In addition to dozens of comments that we have made in our general message forums over the last couple of months stating that Austin, Little & Quinn were finished for the year…how else could/should you have known that this was the path the investigation was taking?  Take a look at our real-time analysis posted on September 9th in this forum thread – The Truth behind NCAA’s punishment of Green & Dareus:

I’ve heard a lot of people discussing and complaining about the difference between the punishments of (Georgia’s) AJ Green and (Alabama’s) Dareus.

In short, Green got 4 games for ‘selling a jersey’ (code for accepting money) from an agent for $1,000. Dareus got just 2 games for accepting about $1,800 worth of benefits in the form of a trip to one of the SouthBeach parties that Austin and the Carolina guys attended.

I have been very disappointed in the lack of analysis and thought into what is really going on here. So…let me help the radio guys and television guys that don’t get it.

Dareus cut a deal! Green’s violation is cut and dry and easy to punish in light of the NCAA’s set schedule of punishments.

Dareus, however, had material information about players and agents and what was happening in this whole Marvin Austin runner ring.

If you go back and look at the history of this whole thing, Dareus has been the most open and forthcoming from the very start. He & Alabama have played this thing perfectly, and I’m guessing that one can draw a conclusion about the quality of the information he provided by the light punishment he received.

That is not good news for UNC.

We were only one month ahead of today’s news with our version of the news.  But, what do we know – eh Dicky?  Erskine?  Holden?  Radio guys who talk junk about us?

Just remember, everyone – the folks at Inside Carolina have inside scoop (planted by this trustworthy coaching staff) that will ball over by next Friday.  Then the next Friday.  Then the next Friday.  There is nothing to it.  Nothing bad is going to happen to Carolina.

I just hope that all of the high school recruits, their coaches and their families are paying attention to the ever growing list of lies being pinned on the UNC spin machine; because they are the targets of the current big ones that Carolina is going to be fine and there is no reason to fear future sanctions.  Just like the way Marvin is working his way back onto the team.

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Dick Baddour and Butch Davis have a press conference scheduled for 11:30AM. This entry will be updated with details as they become available, so stay tuned.

Dick Baddour:

“There is a a lot of smoke around here.”

So says the man in the middle of raging forest fire.

“I’m will fight the institutional control issues…I will not accept Loss of Institutional Control.”

Let’s do some math here, Dick. You’ve lost three players permanently, and eight or nine others at least for part of the year.  You’ve got agent problems, academic fraud problems, an assistant coach working for an agent, and a former player with major drug charges working out in your facility and hanging out with your kids.  No, there’s no evidence of a loss of institutional control.  Sure, right, whatever you say, Dickie!

But why not stick both feet in your mouth when you have one already in there?

We have strong compliance.  We were doing more than significant things.  We need to do more and that part will evolve.”

So strong that you’ve lost three players permanently, that you have tutors writing papers for team members and a coach working for an agent while he is second in command at your school.  Wow.  That’s some STRONG compliance there.  In fact, I would call it SIGNIFICANT compliance.  Amazing.

No, what’s even more seriously amazing is that Baddour said that UNC will continue to honor the scholarships of the three players who were permanently ruled ineligible.

“We will honor the scholarships of the athletes.”

Really?  After the NCAA kicked them out of college football forever?   JUST the kind of folks you want hanging around the school and no doubt hanging with their friends, many of whom are undoubtedly playing football for UNC.  That’s like leaving Stage 4 cancer hanging around, without having any need to have an oncologist cut it out and help you heal.  Maybe that’s the Carolina Way.

Bomani Jones, formerly of 850 AM here in Raleigh and now with a national show on Sirius/XM, perhaps put it best in Twitter:

“baddour should stop talking. he’s acting like this athletic program has never had top notch athletes. uh, basketball?”

Jones has been the most direct radio host, and been pretty much called this one down the line: that UNC is in some real trouble and that there’s no real excuse for the shenanigans that went on there the past few years.  Jones is right, but apparently over in Chapel Hill, not many involved in this scandal are living in the same reality as the rest of us.

According to Baddour today, Little, Quinn and Austin were told on Friday about their status with the team. Mark Armstrong, sports anchor at WTVD tweeted this today:

Per TJ Yates: Greg Little had ‘tears in his eyes’ this morning after getting the news.

Then again, the three dismissed players were seen signing autographs and having pictures taken with young people at the UNC-Clemson ballgame in Kenan Stadium on Saturday, so apparently, Little’s tears were shortlived.

Why in the world were these kids — who had been kicked off of the team permanently less than a day before — allowed into the stadium to be treated by fans like royal guests?  That says so very much about the UNC athletics department and quite honestly, Carolina fans too.  After all, would you want your smiling kid to have his picture taken with one or more of the three players who basically sent your team into serious sanctions?

UNC Scandal

69 Responses to Breaking Lies: Austin, Little & Quinn permanently ineligible [11:40 Update & Commentary]

  1. wufpup76 10/11/2010 at 1:00 PM #

    From the article linked by old13 above:

    “If Wichard and Blake had an improper arrangement then the case becomes one of the most significant in recent NCAA history.”

    “If the runner is working 80-hour weeks in the football or basketball office, there’s no one to blame. That’s the potential groundbreaking nature of this case – a widespread practice potentially finally coming to light. Blake isn’t some fringe character. He’s the former head coach of the University of Oklahoma and has been an assistant at five different programs dating back to the late 1980s.”

    ^Thank God for Yahoo. And I agree that the DTH has been very objective and tried to get the real stories. In other words, they’ve been doing their jobs.

  2. coach13 10/11/2010 at 1:21 PM #

    If I hear the radio folks say they “honestly believe UNC is being cooperative” and “how could they have known” one more time! These clowns know everything. They are praying and hoping everyone keeps their mouths shut. Everyone with a roll in this thing has gotten together and agreed to say nothing and hope nobody finds out. I would bet money the NCAA got more involved in the academic side of things cause they realized they were being spoonfed partial facts.

    UNC officials and lawyers have done everything in their power to keep that tutor quiet. The thing is, when so many are corrupted, even the minor players want theirs and get dirty.

    Take the FB that was just suspended. You don’t think they new he cheated 6 weeks ago? They simply didn’t tell hoping no one will find out. I guarantee more suspensions are coming.

    This does not end until the NCAA gets what they already know…a full confession followed by resignations/terminations at the top, particularly and at least Baddeur and Davis.

    The fact that they think everyone is so stupid and gullable is baffling, and the fact that half the UNC fans are is comedic gold!

    The 1 thing I find hard to accept is that we have seen so few defections of the recruits. Sounds like the NCAA will not give a verdict til summer regarding sanctions and such. Are they going to hold out that long? I am hoping it is because they are involved in their respective high school seasons and aren’t really pressed to worry about it for now. But the universities have to keep recruiting and filling their spots. I would be shocked if, come signing day, any of these kids sign a LOI without a clear cut verdict on UNC.

  3. coach13 10/11/2010 at 1:25 PM #

    and lastly, I would bet anything the academics spreads to basketball. Maybe not the agent stuff. But these athletes run in similar circles, take similar classes…there is no way player A from the football team doesn’t tell player B from basketball about this girl who will do your work for you. Take this class. The professor is a huge fan. It is coming…and they are all cringing.

  4. Alpha Wolf 10/11/2010 at 1:32 PM #

    ^ Booster payments may be the next area of focus according to the smart guys on PP.

  5. package5 10/11/2010 at 1:36 PM #

    Butch Davis said during his press conference today that the first time they talked to the 3 players was this morning

  6. Alpha Wolf 10/11/2010 at 1:40 PM #

    ^ So they can’t get their stories straight even when they are side by side, can they?

    Baddour VERY CLEARLY stated that the players were told on Friday.

  7. package5 10/11/2010 at 1:46 PM #

    Davis talks about it at 24:40 http://www.wralsportsfan.com/rs/video/8432435/#/vid8432435

    here is the quote: “we were together, Dickie and I were both together when we visited with both of…. or all 3 of the players this morning. and I do think so. I think they were sad and disappointed that they hurt the team and their teammates.

    “i have yet to have a conversation with them other than the one we had this morning”

    then asked “is that when they were informed?” butch davis says “that’s correct”

  8. Alpha Wolf 10/11/2010 at 1:59 PM #

    ^ I don’t doubt you. I heard it too. Baddour also said that they learned that the NCAA had made a decision on the three on Thursday and the details on Friday. He added that they needed time to work with the student-athletes, their families and that some of them were being represented by attorneys.

    That in mind, the point holds true: UNC knew on Friday and nonetheless, the players were allowed to be at Saturday’s game within range to talk to the current players on the team during the game.

    And I will ask you again: if you were in Baddour or Davis’s position, would you allow that? Or did Butch once again “have no idea” and “not know” that the three cancers on his team who are leading them straight into sanctions were interacting with his players during a game?

    Told or not told — and Baddour’s and Davis’s accounts are different — that still says a great deal about their controls in place. All they would have had to have done was ask an usher to relocate the players. They didn’t.

  9. 61Packer 10/11/2010 at 2:02 PM #

    The autograph-signing at the Clemson game is just a continuation of these guys being suspended just prior to the LSU game yet showing up for the game that night, on ESPN no less.

    And we NC taxpayers should have a real warm feeling to know that these three guys, in the Coach Blake tradition, will have their scholarships honored.

    Where was THEIR honor?

  10. Hungwolf 10/11/2010 at 2:05 PM #

    WRAL stating that Baddour states the gifts are not related to Blake, Wow! Then who? This seems to open a whole new side to the investigation. Is it now a three prong investigation Academics — Blake/Agent — Gifts?

  11. MrPlywood 10/11/2010 at 2:24 PM #

    Here’s a typical UNX’er on the ESPN board:

    “The uni didn’t know about it, their controls were reasonable for the time, and none of these three played a game during the period they were ineligible (and UNC lost against LSU when its roster was decimated by the allegations). Unless there’s a “failure to adequately monitor” charge against the coaches and uni the NCAA can make stick (which I doubt), I don’t think the NCAA would be able to do anything against the uni.”

    And they really believe it… This is like shooting fish in a barrel…

  12. BJD95 10/11/2010 at 2:25 PM #

    This has been quite the long season of Schadenfreude Christmas, hasn’t it?

  13. MrPlywood 10/11/2010 at 2:38 PM #

    LOL BJD – if only State was 6-0 now, it would be perfect…

  14. Hungwolf 10/11/2010 at 2:41 PM #

    Baddour “I will fight any claim of lack of institutional control.” If you already planning to defend yourself, you were probably guilty to start with.

  15. packof81 10/11/2010 at 2:45 PM #

    coach13 said, “and lastly, I would bet anything the academics spreads to basketball. … It is coming…and they are all cringing.”

    I was thinking the same thing. I’ll bet they have a pucker factor right about now. Yessir. Roy is liable to have a meltdown. Talk about Schadenfreude …

  16. old13 10/11/2010 at 2:58 PM #

    OK Sorry for the diversion. But I need some educating, please:

    1. What is “Schadenfreude”.

    2. What does the message board abbreviation “FTFY” mean?

    Thanks.

  17. rky 10/11/2010 at 3:07 PM #

    ^alow me to be of assistance . . . 😉

    Schadenfreude:
    http://tinyurl.com/22m8ao5

    and

    FTFY:
    http://tinyurl.com/33bput4

  18. Hungwolf 10/11/2010 at 3:08 PM #

    I bet:

    Matt Doherty smiling somewhere right now. They fired him to protect the integrity of the university said it was not about wins and loses.

    John Bunting’s agent sitting by the phone waiting for UNC to call and ask him to be interm head coach for rest of season.

    L. T. on the phone with his publisher planning a sequel to his book. The real story behind the “Carolina Way, I told you so.”

    Roy Williams on the phone with his agent looking to see if Kansas will take him back or if Jordan and Brown have room for him on the Bobcats staff.

    Butch “Chief” Davis on the phone with his agent seeing if Miami or the Browns take him back.

    Thorpe on the phone with Obama seeing if he got any staff openings.

    Baddour calling Lee Fowler to see if he can go to his lake home and hide.

  19. MrPlywood 10/11/2010 at 3:08 PM #

    schadenfreude |ˈ sh ädənˌfroidə| (also Schadenfreude)
    noun
    pleasure derived by someone from another person’s misfortune.

    FTFY = Fixed That For You; used when someone has altered/corrected another’s post for accuracy and/or to be funny

  20. bradleyb123 10/11/2010 at 3:15 PM #

    Thorpe on the phone with Obama seeing if he got any staff openings

    That would be good for another two years, but then what? 😉

    (Sorry, I couldn’t resist!)

  21. McCallum 10/11/2010 at 3:22 PM #

    I just want you boys to know I’ve been wearing my kilt once or twice a week since the curse of the Blue Hose started. See, never screw with Presbyterians and despite the rancid cultural Marxism of the central PCUSA office we remain the frozen chosen.

    Cheers Wolpfackers, Tod dem Marxismus!!!!

    I have a life time of salt to plow into the ground in chapel hill.

    McCallum

  22. old13 10/11/2010 at 3:37 PM #

    Thanks, rky and MrPlywood!

    Hungwolf, you forgot Irksome Bowels looking for a camera and microphone to say how pleased and proud he is of the others’ actions and thoughts!

  23. golf76 10/11/2010 at 3:57 PM #

    “Guys – we need to really give the Daily Tar Heel some credit. They are leading a thankless crusade – and demanding much more than their supposedly “professional” counterparts.”

    We should give the DTH immense credit. As journalists we do not have the luxury of being loyal fans to a fault, we only have a relentless obligation to expose corruption and find the truth, wherever that may lead us. If it were NC State on the hot seat we should expect nothing less from The Technician, StateFansNation, or any other media outlet pursuing the truth.

    Sorry to get carried away with my soapbox.

  24. old13 10/11/2010 at 4:02 PM #

    “If it were NC State on the hot seat we should expect nothing less from The Technician, StateFansNation, or any other media outlet pursuing the truth.”

    YES, just like the “Expose Foulup the Fraud” campaign finally outed the truth (and Foulup!) OK it wasn’t technically criminal or integrity issues exactly. But it still required the same kind of pursuit IMO.

  25. Lunatic Fringe 10/11/2010 at 4:24 PM #

    I still think NCAA will take some action before Signing Day. The NCAA always gets called out for not being responsive enough in these type of incidents. The only one really affected by the NCAA regulations at USC that was truly responsible was the AD.

    I think the NCAA is going to use UNC as an example of it becoming more pro-active. They can make sure all the people responsible – the players, coaches, and administration are all punished for their incidents in a timely manner.

    The NCAA does not have to be done with the investigation to make a ruling on punishment. They just proved that with the rulings on the 3 stooges.

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