Uh-O! Did Carolina go 0-12 or 0-13 in 2009? [Updated 4:20pm]

Originally posted @ 3:17pm. Updated at 3:21pm, 3:25pm, 3:27pm, 3:31pm and 4:20pm

The cracks are starting to appear more prominently in the University of North Carolina’s historically famous, impenetrable cone of silence. Who knows what is next!? Maybe someone starts publicly discussing the Range Rovers that Antawn Jamison and Vince Carter were rumored to drive throughout their college career, the strangeness of the lifestyle that Hakeem Nicks experienced before his eligibility was complete, or even start explaining the specifics behind Wayne Ellington’s living arrangements while helping Carolina win a National Basketball Championship.

Outside of the Carolina family people are also now talking more openly as the cracks around John Blake, aka ‘Black Santa’ are springing huge leaks. After Yahoo! and Joe Giglio/N&O/ChltObs each shed public light on some major data points of the story (that can be reviewed with excellent conversation by clicking here) the Old Ball Coach and former Head Coach at Duke has decided to enter the fray.

As you can read more fully here, Spurrier was asked about the recent John Blake-Gary Wichard revelations. Spurrier publicly stated what many around college football have said for years – he is not surprised. He further explained:

“Let me just say this: When you’ve been in coaching as long as I have, we know the reputation of almost all the coaches out there that have been around a long time,” Spurrier told The (Columbia) State newspaper. “So I guess what I would say is that article’s not very surprising. That’s about the least I should say about it. We all have a reputation, especially guys who’ve coached 20 years or so. It’s hard to hide whatever your reputation is.”

^This point dovetails very nicely with the N&O’s article this morning that discussed the NCAA’s previous investigation of Blake and Wichard’s relationship amongst other things. Butch Davis and the University of North Carolina knew exactly what they were hiring in ‘Black Santa’ and they weren’t the least bit deterred or concerned with the potential consequences.

After Spurrier spoke to the press, the N&O’s Joe Giglio broke more damning news on the UNC-CH scandal that will result in the eradication of Cam Thomas from all future UNC-CH Christmas card lists and football reunions – if the Heels ultimately retain a program to host reunions. I can see/hear Thomas now – the moment it came out of his mouth he shut up and wanted to put it back inside. Click here for link.

Former North Carolina football player Kentwan Balmer paid for his college teammates, Marvin Austin and Cam Thomas, to travel to California in the summer of 2009, Thomas said Tuesday.

Thomas, a rookie defensive tackle for the San Diego Chargers, did not provide financial details, or the dates, but said he and Austin worked out at the Proactive Sports Performance in Westlake Village, Calif. in the summer before the 2009 season.

Reached by phone on Tuesday afternoon, Thomas, who started all 13 games for UNC in the 2009 season, said he and Austin took the trip together and “‘Twan paid for [the trip].” Thomas, the Chargers’ fifth-round pick, then declined further comment.

Balmer, Thomas and Austin were teammates at UNC for the 2007 season and each played defensive tackle. Their position coach was John Blake, UNC’s recruiting coordinator and associate head coach. Austin and Blake’s relationship with California-based agent Gary Wichard has become a part of the NCAA investigation into the UNC football program, Wichard said last Thursday.

The NCAA returned to Chapel Hill on Aug. 4 after making initial visits on July 12 and July 13 to interview an undisclosed number of players, including Austin, about receiving improper benefits from an agent.

Under NCAA bylaw, or more commonly referred to as the “preferential treatment” bylaw, athletes can’t receive “preferential treatment, benefits or services because of the individual’s athletics reputation or skill or pay-back potential as a professional athlete, unless such treatment, benefits or services are specifically permitted under NCAA legislation.”

Amy Herman, UNC’s assistant athletic director for compliance, declined to comment on Thomas’ statement but answered a general question about a former player providing travel expenses for current player(s).

Herman said there are no set NCAA punishments for violating the preferential treatment bylaw.

“[The punishment] would be interpretative,” Herman said, “based on the facts of the specific case.”

Potential punishments include vacating the games Austin and Thomas participated in 2009, which would be the entire season. UNC went 8-5 last year.

If the NCAA forces UNC to vacate their 8 wins in 2009 for the use of at least one – significantly key – ineligible player…then does the Tarheels’ bowl appearance get counted in their record? Do they end up 0-12 or do they still get to say they lost in the bowl and end up at 0-13? One thing is for sure…no matter what the NCAA decides, they still lost to NC State.

We’ll have a lot more on this and other developments in the UNC case in the coming hours. In the meantime, please support us by participating in some conversations on our message boards accessible by clicking here.

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54 Responses to Uh-O! Did Carolina go 0-12 or 0-13 in 2009? [Updated 4:20pm]

  1. NCStatePride 08/10/2010 at 3:11 PM #

    The deserve it. All these years of claiming how classy they are and how inferior their rivals are in stature and success… I hope they get this, plus some. I’d love to see their entire 2009 season DQed and see them booted out of Bowls for the next couple of seasons. If they took away schollys, I might just have a heart attack.

  2. Alpha Wolf 08/10/2010 at 3:16 PM #

    The question now turns to Butch “The Right Way” Davis and to John Blake: “what did you know and when did you know it?”

    The simple fact is that these two coaches HAD to know what was going on, or…it was a lack of institutional control. Devil or deep blue sea, that, but who (besides Joe Giglio) might have balls enough to ask that question?

  3. Plz2BStateFan 08/10/2010 at 3:18 PM #

    Oh Lawd!

    The creative side of my brain is telling me to start photoshopping and youtubing the hilarity of this…..I think it is time to bust out the paint.net!


  4. StateFans 08/10/2010 at 3:19 PM #

    In this morning’s article, the N&O clearly explained that Blake and Whichard had been previously investigated by the NCAA. Butch Davis and UNC-CH knew of this…and knew of Blake’s reputation in the industry prior to hiring him. Butch and the UNC administration chose to hire Blake despite what they knew.


  5. StateFans 08/10/2010 at 3:21 PM #


    Start your creative work and we would love to run/feature it if you would allow us

  6. islandbreeze 08/10/2010 at 3:22 PM #

    I’m going back to Cali….to Cali…to Cali

  7. PackisRolling 08/10/2010 at 3:29 PM #

    “The simple fact is that these two coaches HAD to know what was going on, or…it was a lack of institutional control. ”

    totally agree. If Butch/Blake knew then they broke the rules. If they didn’t know then they broke the rules (by not having control over the program). What’s amazing is the layers of this thing…how can they NOT get some major punishments.

    – MA as a runner for an agent
    – 2010 MA, GL agent-paid trip to MIA to agent’s party
    – 2009 MA, CT agent-paid trip to CA to agent’s workout facility
    – UNC coaches and players lying to investigators (if their story matches Wichard’s lies)

  8. newt 08/10/2010 at 3:35 PM #

    So Blake worked with Wichard at Proactive then went to UNC. Wichard then represented UNC player Balmer. Wichard client Balmer then paid for UNC players Cam and Marvin to train at Proactive, where Blake worked with Wichard before Wichard represented Balmer. Got it.

  9. packbackr04 08/10/2010 at 3:38 PM #

    Is cam thomas repped by wichard?

  10. packbackr04 08/10/2010 at 3:40 PM #

    TOB better be putting the full court press on some of the soft verbal commits UNX has. we need some of them to switch to the red and white

  11. newt 08/10/2010 at 3:48 PM #

    John Blake and Wichard are “best friends.” Wichard is Godfather to Blake’s son. Blake was/is coach to Balmer, Cam, and Marvin. Proactive is Wichard’s training facility.

    However, we’re going to be asked to believe that neither Wichard nor Blake were aware that these boys were training together at Proactive in the Summer of 2009 on Balmer’s dime?

    And of course Wichard already said that he had no thoughts about representing Austin.


    By the way, does a head football coach know where his prized NFL prospect rising Junior lineman practices football in the Summer?

  12. packof81 08/10/2010 at 3:50 PM #

    Wow … waiting for the other shoe to drop. It serves them right to have to twist in the wind waiting for the NCAA’s pronouncement. Here’s hoping the NCAA burns ’em a new one.

  13. Sweet jumper 08/10/2010 at 3:50 PM #

    Karma is a bitch! Since the early ’70’s, I have repeatedly from UNX fans that State cheats and that the holes do things the right way and hold themselves to higher moral and ethical standards than all other college programs. I called bs then, and I will definitely call bs now!

  14. packfan03 08/10/2010 at 3:53 PM #

    I am in desperate need of witty twitter retort from TJ Yates. On that note, will his interceptions from last season be vacated? He seemed to be on pace to set records with that statistic. I’d hate for this to get in the way of his crowning moment atop the ‘Pick’ latter.

  15. PackisRolling 08/10/2010 at 3:54 PM #
  16. Old MacDonald 08/10/2010 at 4:08 PM #

    Do we get to keep our win against them or does that get vacated also?

  17. graywolf 08/10/2010 at 4:10 PM #

    Thank god they didn’t sell any shoes or they really would be in trouble.

  18. GAWolf 08/10/2010 at 4:17 PM #

    For what it’s worth, I know Hakeem’s agent personally and I can pretty confidently say anything he may have gotten prior to the end of his amateur playing time was NOT from an agent.

  19. islandbreeze 08/10/2010 at 4:23 PM #

    so GAwolf, the boosters paid for the bling? 😉

  20. newt 08/10/2010 at 4:31 PM #

    What a great Summer!

  21. StateFans 08/10/2010 at 4:31 PM #

    Great points and conversation — exactly the point re: Nicks. I don’t care where any of the bling came from. It was widely rumored and discussed that he was living a different lifestyle than the average student athlete prior to his eligibility expired. Would be interesting to learn more in the event there was anything to those rumors.

  22. islandbreeze 08/10/2010 at 5:08 PM #

    Welcome to bigtime football and NCAA violations. ROFL

  23. tuckerdorm1983 08/10/2010 at 5:24 PM #

    win at all costs that is all that matters. Something about the chickens coming home to roost.

  24. highstick 08/10/2010 at 5:35 PM #

    But, but, but, but, but, but….This can’t be right! It is totally impossible for anyone to do this cause it’s not the Carolina Way! OR IS IT? And those of us at Statefansnation have known it all along!

    Cam Thomas is da man!!!

    As someone above referred above, first Fowler, now the Tarholes! Life is sweet!!!

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