Comprehensive ACCT Thoughts

I decided to hold my thoughts on State’s ACC tourney performance until it was all over (and since I had stuff going on last night, I waited until today). So here goes:

1) State’s half-court defense against Clemson and Florida State was as good as I’ve seen us play in many, many years. Even against Georgia Tech, it was pretty good (although the Bees shot themselves in the foot on offense frequently, as did the Pack). This is both good and bad. It’s good because solid defensive work is the foundation for sustainable success. Good defensive teams don’t go, say, 2-10 during any stretch of conference play anywhere. And I firmly believe that pretty much any D-1 player can be at least an adequate defender with effort, coaching, and proper positioning (which is in reality a combo of effort and coaching). So, that does give me some semblance of hope. But here’s the flip side – why the hell did it take so long to start playing this kind of defense? And can we reasonably expect a strong, consistent defensive effort next year, or will 2010-11 be similarly frustrating?

2) Basketball IQ remains a significant problem for NC State. It didn’t show up so much in rounds 1 and 2 (at least not fatally so), but it sure as hell did in the semifinals. The only player that shows consistent game and situational awareness is Tracy Smith. I don’t mind losing to a team that plays a really good game, but I do hate losing one to a team playing as badly and sloppily as GT yesterday. State’s heart was in the right place, but its collective mind was not. And that’s a significant problem that can’t be swept under the rug just because we are happy with the improved play over the last 3 weeks.

3) On any given night, anything can happen with teams 2-12 in this year’s ACC. Gary Williams made lots of chicken salad out of chicken shit in 2009-2010. But his Terps also lost to Bill & Mary at home, and lost their ACCT opener despite Georgia Tech predictably doing everything in its power to try and give the game away. As I’ve said all year, this year’s ACC is the land of the blind, and Duke is the one-eyed king. Speaking of those Devils, they’ve looked awful all weekend, struggling to get past UVA sans Landesberg and Miami sans Collins. I fully expect them to massacre GT today, but Duke fans should be very alarmed. Without a much better performance next week (admittedly, the Devils are capable of much better play), Duke will be a first weekend casualty. Count on it.

4) It’s counter-intuitive to say this about a team playing for the ACC title today, but I really don’t feel good about my program if I’m a GT fan. They have raw talent galore. But this is, frankly, as stupid a team as I’ve watched play in a long, long time. And the semifinal game against NC State has to be among the most poorly played tournament semifinals of all time (it reminded me of the Wake/State NIT semifinal during the Sendek era). But fortunately for the Jackets, somebody had to win Saturday’s game. But I sure as hell don’t expect much out of them come NCAAT time. And I don’t expect anything to change as long as Paul Hewitt remains at the helm.

5) Conference tournament play is just fun, damn it. Even though the level of play Saturday wasn’t good, it was still exciting to watch and I enjoyed having State being a part of things for 3 consecutive days. Thanks for the entertainment, guys.

6) Anyone who believes the NCAAT field should expand to 96 is certifiably insane. There aren’t 8 “wrong side of the bubble” teams that have any legitimate argument for inclusion, let alone 32. Even in a good year, there are seldom more than 2 or 3 legitimate “snubs.” Don’t fix what isn’t broken, and the gambling-friendly 64-team bracket (after play-in game) qualifies. Teams on the outside looking in always have a late-season shot at redemption – it’s called the conference tournament. Win it like San Diego State, or take your best shot and come up a bit short like Miami, Illinois, or NC State. Each team has a fair shot, and each team’s post-season fate is equitable.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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19 Responses to Comprehensive ACCT Thoughts

  1. Thinkpack17 03/14/2010 at 12:17 PM #

    Good stuff. It was fun while it lasted.

  2. Pack78 03/14/2010 at 12:30 PM #

    Here’s to hoping for an NIT extension tonight to the season-

    Re item #4 above-BJD-you nailed it-Tech should be 12-15 points better than us IMHO-my two Tech bros (and a sizable portion of their fanbase have been screaming for Hewitt’s ouster for years-reminds of our problems w/Fowler. Apparently, then Tech AD Dave Braine(dead) gave Hewitt an annual rollover $7 Mil buyout (after his Final Four run years ago) if he was ever fired-sounds like current AD Radakovich might well pull the trigger soon anyway irrespective of Tech’s late-season run-we need a Radakovich-type in Raleigh.

  3. Wolfy__79 03/14/2010 at 12:45 PM #

    i agree with everything you’ve said.. especially the bball iq. i think maturity has alot to do with it. i would add late season horner, he really stepped his game up towards the end. lost his legs yesterday though.

    i’m very pleased with the team finishing the way they have. they certainly didn’t give up. one of the things i expect heading into next season is a tougher, more experienced team. i think tracy will be an excellent example of the level of effort for the rest of the team. with a lighter load on the court, i say this with absolute certainty. i also think javi will have plenty of time to reevaluate his loss of composure yesterday and learn from it.. ntm competing for the starting job next year. but, i think our maturity next year will far outreach this years level and the entire team will much improved.

    gt, what can i say. i’m glad we don’t play that brand of bball either. sometimes it’s hard to identify what we’re doing on offense & defense, but its not the lack of plan for us, just the lack of talent.

    my things to look forward to in 2010-11:

    our incoming players, tracy smith’s jump shot, improved defense, howell in the paint, scott wood’s own shot createablility, more versatile offense. so these are just a few areas where i think we’ll be much improved…

  4. Wolfy__79 03/14/2010 at 12:47 PM #

    gt is kind of sad, they just aren’t good at all. we were the bonafied 11th ranked team and beat some of the more poorly coached teams in the league… and almost knocked the worst coached team off!!!

  5. Wulfpack 03/14/2010 at 12:55 PM #

    Good stuff, BJD. My thoughts exactly. GT plays horrid basketball. They should retain Hewitt as the recruiter, but hire a real head coach that teaches the fundamentals of basketball and game management. They have athletes galore, but the only one I’ve seen play basketball is Favors. They are also a first weekend casualty as a #10 seed.

    I also agree about the basketball IQ comment. I do think Wood has a high IQ and we can look forward to seeing that coming to fruition in the coming years. He has GOT to get quicker and stronger, though. Teams are going to stick an athletic guy on him all game these next few years, and we have to find a way to get him more looks. Even if he doesn’t take the shot, just getting the ball in his hands opens it up for others with all the attention he demands.

    Greenberg’s in for another bad day today, I am afraid. Their strength if schedule and performance against the top-25 is just miserable. Their ONLY win against a top 25 team was UNC…which we now all know is a joke of a statistic. Poor guy.

  6. choppack1 03/14/2010 at 12:59 PM #

    Great post BJD 95 – As usual, I find myself agreeing w/ a lot of what you say.

    One can only hope that THIS TIME the staff can learn from a very similar experience they had in 2007. Translation: if you fight like this every time you hit the floor, your ACC tourneys won’t be to secure an NCAA bid, but rather merely for seeding.

    I thought the coaching and heart this weekend were awesome – incredible to watch.

    However, watching us play in an obviously-fatigued state Saturday did nothing to erase my overall concern w/ this staff’s conditioning S&C program. Miami, GaTech, Georgetown and WV had played 3 straight games (GaTown had played 4) – but they weren’t as obviously spent as our kids were. It’s entirely possible I’m not paying enough attention to other teams, but it just seems like this is a huge area of opportunity.

    Of our kids, only CJ Williams looks like he spends a good bit of time in the weightroom.

    Two things need to occur for me to feel good about the future of the program:
    *more consistent, ball-busting effort for the volume of your 30 game season.
    *Seeing a team that not only can play ball, but looks and plays like elite, well-conditioned athletes.

  7. Thinkpack17 03/14/2010 at 1:38 PM #

    Chop…you don’t think that Javi, Horner and Tracy have transformed their bodies in the past few years? When Tracy came in I never would have thought there would be multiple games where he played 35+ minutes. I hear CJ is the weight room rat of the team but he and Tracy only had good things to say about the new S&C guy.

  8. Rochester 03/14/2010 at 1:58 PM #

    Wood seemed to look for his shot more the last two games than he did since the first time we played FSU. Too bad he didn’t take all of Horner’s shots. I cringed every time Horner launched a 3. I just knew they weren’t going in.

    Great tournament effort, though. We kept things interesting far longer than I expected. This was only the second time all year we really exceeded expectations. The first time was the Duke game.

  9. choppack1 03/14/2010 at 2:12 PM #

    Horner doesn’t have much definition to his arms at all – and he was obviously tired yesterday

    Just look around at the other teams. Do our guys look physically imposing? What do their shoulders look like? Chiseled? Are the muscles well-defined?

    I wouldn’t be as worried about it if it didn’t look like we were struggling more than anybody I watched yesterday w/ the obvious signs of fatigue.

    Hey, I think this run in the ACC was excellent – especially when you couple it w/ the way we finished the regular season. It can really be a springboard to some good things for this program under its current leadership…But the two items I’m mentioned are my main concerns right now.

  10. Thinkpack17 03/14/2010 at 2:29 PM #

    Our shooting looked tired, but when the rubber met the road the cardio was there. We exerted a lot of energy on defense and out worked all three teams that we played. And looks are not an entirely accurate gauge for fitness. A lot of the “look” comes from genetics. Dennis isn’t defined…I never said he was. But he did transform his body over his career, especially this summer. And it doesn’t matter if he locks himself in the weight room for the next 3 years, Dennis is never going to look like Gani…Scott is never going to look like Shumpert. That doesn’t mean they can’t be as fit as those guys. Handsjob worked harder in the weight room than anyone, he was in great physical condition, but as far as appearances go he was no great physical specimen.

  11. choppack1 03/14/2010 at 2:43 PM #

    I’d agree w/ you on cardio -but that’s only half of the battle. I do think from a cardio standpoint, our guys were in pretty good shape.

    You mentioned Hasboro – it was pretty obvious he worked hard in the weight room if you looked at his definition. he just had narrow shoulders.

    I have a hard time believing that you won’t get a chiseled look if you put in the time and do the right excercises in the weight room.

    If you want to look at a team that “does the time” there – look at a Bob Huggins team. I’ll never forget when his Cincy team played a very good GaTech team in the NCAA tournament. GaTech looked like children compared to the Bearcats. Now, a lot of that is recruiting – but a lot of that is putting in the time in the weightroom too. And if you watched WV – you can see that he’s put the same thing into practice there.

  12. Gene 03/14/2010 at 2:59 PM #

    One big question mark for me going into this year is would anybody step up? Tracy Smith had potential and showed some flashes of being a good player, but didn’t get enough PT his Freshman and Sophomore years to prove himself. Brandon Costner was in a similar situation between his second and third years at State and fizzled. Same with several players under Herb, who never could quite step up their game and become All-Conference players.

    Tracy did step up, which was impressive.

    The guard play was inconsistent, but better than it’s been since Atsur was here. Our team wasn’t always a turnover waiting to happen, unlike the past few years. We were in the middle of the conference in turnovers, versus being close to the bottom previously.

    I view that as progress. The guard play went from always awful, to sometimes not awful and occasionally good.

    Hopefully we make the NIT.

    We can then see if the improved play, especially on defense, continues. The biggest problem with this year’s team is they’d put together a good game, like Duke or Marquette, and then go into a funk for the next half-dozen.

    Keeping my fingers crossed we can keep playing basketball and see if the last few games were a fluke or if this team has actually matured.

  13. Thinkpack17 03/14/2010 at 3:04 PM #

    Well if “chiseled” is what you are looking for you shouldn’t be concerned because we will get more definition overnight. Horner’s out and a very fit looking Lo Brown comes in. CJ Williams and Tracy get another summer in the weight room and on the treadmill where they excel. Johnny’s out with a chiseled Davis moving up the depth chart and CJ Leslie is shredded. Sounds like half of an NC State Swimsuit calender.

  14. Texpack 03/14/2010 at 4:01 PM #

    On the conditioning front I take a pretty harsh stance. (That comes from running my first marathon at age 47.) A 20 year-old kid who is “worn down” from playing his third 40 minute basketball game in 65 hours isn’t in respectable condition in my book.

    Scott Wood and Richard Howell both need big time strength programs this off-season. You could see that Howell dropped some lbs after he came back from the knee, but he needs to convert 10 lbs of fat to muscle and drop another 15 lbs. He and Wood both impress me as the kind of kids who will put in the work to get stronger.

    As for the ACCT itself, I was most impressed by the number of people dressed as empty seats during the sessions. Fan support was pathetic compared to previous years. I also agree that GT plays well below their talent level.

    As for Sidney Lowe, I am still skeptical. I couldn’t put together a coherent argument for him to keep his job based on what he has done so far. Perhaps an NIT run would help this team next year to start out with a bit more confidence. His approach to PT is very different from any other coach I’ve ever watched. CJ Williams just baffles me. The difference in his effort and intensity from the start of the season to the end is mind boggling.

  15. JaxPackMan 03/14/2010 at 4:29 PM #

    Great summary…I came away convinced that Sid and his Coaching Padres did a great job. Even with less talent then the top tier of the league they were able to motivate the team and make the inter-game moves necessary to allow them to play and beat the top tier teams.

    He’s come pretty close to signing some of the blue-ist of the blue chippers. With the new players coming in next year, and with the way the team ended up this year, hopefully that will be a big help in recruiting.

    There has been a lot of criticism of Sid on this site, but maybe we can give him break for a day or two anyway. He and his staff have done a great job in the tournament in light of circumstances.

    Better are soon to be here. Go Pack!

  16. Alpha Wolf 03/14/2010 at 7:24 PM #

    BJD – on one hand you say that too many players on the Pack have a low basketball IQ, and on the other you seem to be saying that it took the coaches too long to teach the kids how to play tough defense.

    I am not disagreeing with you or even trying to be disagreeable, but in your opinion is it one, Low hoops IQ or two, poor coaching or a combination of the two things?

  17. triadwolf 03/14/2010 at 10:21 PM #

    First let me say that I’m proud of the way the team represented us in the tournament. Too bad they couldn’t have come together a week or two earlier.

    I have been on the fence about Sid for the most part. BUT… if my only basis for a decision was from this tourney, I’d have to give Lowe my total support. I really thought he did an outstanding job overall. The only thing I really questioned was keeping Javi in after the intentional, but Javi showed why – making one three and almost tying the game.

    With regard to some of the comments regarding why it took us so long to start playing good D – Playing good Defense is really an attitude and I think players pass on that attitude from class to class. It appears to me that we really turned a corner on D and I hope this is going to become part of this teams indentity going into the future.

    I live GBO and the local media (TV & Print) stated several times that Pack fans were very well, if not the most, represented. I think maybe the ACC needs to look at school allotments and determine if equal distribution is really fair. If your school continues to not fulfill it’s allotment, a portion of that allotment should be allocated to schools that do consistantly represent. Consistantly epresenting your team well in post season should be rewarded.

    Great job guys; since you’re in the NIT you may as well win the whole damn thing!

  18. tvp1 03/15/2010 at 10:15 AM #

    Point 1 is the really interesting one to track for next year. As of today our adjusted defensive efficiency is 92.4 – 47th nationally. This is close to where we were in 2004 and 2005 and significantly better than 2006 (Herb’s last year) or Sid’s first three years. We really came on at the end of the season with the defense – not just the ACCT but also in wins over Wake, BC, Miami, and even the loss to Maryland.

    It’s reasonable to expect a better offensive performance with the addition of two talented guards. So the key will be to match the level of defense we played this year.

  19. hball57 03/15/2010 at 2:10 PM #

    We probably have the lowest talent level in the ACC. So as we examine our season, at what point do we give any credit to our team for overcoming this? We do not have a player who can break down and get a great shot on his own, which probably manifests itself in the one possesion losses that we had this year. So some call this team out for “poor basketball IQ” but I think it is less basketball talent. So I give credit to the players and staff for overcoming that.

    I also love the defense discussion. It’s sort of like what Mike Tyson says – everyone has a plan until they are punched in the mouth. Defense does have a lot to do with effort and coaching. But at this level, it has a lot to do with talent as well. You can work as hard as you want, and can be coached the best, but if you are 6’7″ and you are guarding 7’1″, all of the want to you can have might not make up for it. And the only way you begin to overcome it it when all 5 players instinctively react in concert. I think many times we don’t give credit to how difficult a game it is at this level.

    Now for the positives for this team. I think that we can see some natural progression from Howell, Wood, Painter and Vandenberg. I think Brown and Harrow will help upgrade our backcourt and I think CJ Williams will continue his improvement (I think he has found his strengths and is starting to become comfortable with it). Cothron will eventually work his way in but I don’t think we will depend on him next year.

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