State goes cold in 67-58 loss to Terps

Greivis Vasquez scored 26 points to help lead Maryland past NC State 67-58. -Ethan Hyman/N&O

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Different night, same story for NC State.

The Wolfpack hit just one field goal in the final ten minutes against the Terps, allowing Maryland to erase a 10-point halftime deficit and pick up a nine-point win in its third game in five days. The Terps (18-7, 8-3), led by Greivis Vasquez, climbed into second place in the ACC with Wednesday night’s win and pushed NC State even deeper into the bottom of the conference standings.

Vasquez scored 26 points (17 in the second half) and dished out six assists while freshman Jordan Williams tallied 19 points and 11 boards. Dennis Horner led NC State (14-13, 2-10) with 19 points and ten boards, but only one other player, Tracy Smith, scored in double figures for the Pack.

“Like him or not, he’s a tough guy. He’s tough mentally and he just took the team right on his back and led them in there,” Sidney Lowe said of Vasquez. “That’s what good players do. I think we have a guy that can lead from a scoring standpoint but I don’t think we have anyone on the perimeter or anywhere else that will lead.”

Freshman forward Scott Wood, who scored nine points in 26 minutes, summed up NC State’s loss simply.

“Bad shots, turnovers, no defense, no energy, you want anymore? Just a lack of execution, coaches can’t do it for us,” he said. “They give us all the right stuff and it seems like we don’t want to do it.”

Maryland’s 22-5 run to end the game completely erased any hope for an NC State victory even after the Wolfpack played well enough to take a 10-point lead into halftime. NC State played as well as it had since the victory over Duke Jan. 20 before faltering in the second half. Lowe said he was pleased with the effort in the first 20 minutes but completely confused by the team he saw during the second 20 minutes.

“Two totally different halves. I thought we played real well both offensively and defensively. I thought we were very aggressive, I thought we executed offensively the way we wanted to and in the second half we came out and turned it over the first time we had the ball,” he said. “We got away from what we did in the first half. As a result we didn’t shoot well in the second half.”

Wood said it’s frustrating to go through stretches like the last 10 minutes of the second half, especially after playing so well for a good part of the night. NC State scored just 21 points in the second half after putting up 37 before the break.

“I don’t want to say it’s a mental block but it’s definitely in your brain and it’s frustrating when you play that well in the first half and you  play well in halves and you play well in spurts and you just can’t put it together for 40 minutes,” he said. “We’re just going to have to keep working. Every fan in the stands saw what we can do in the first half so if we could just put it together we’ll be fine.”

Lowe also commented on the potential of the team but said it’s frustrating to repeatedly see the same types of problems keep NC State from winning games.

“I’m not sure where their pulse is. I know they were disappointed in there, one guy looked like he was going to cry, a lot of guys with their heads down but you know the question is what are you going to do about it? That’s the question,” he said. “I’m frustrated because I’m trying to teach something. it’s not just about playing the game, it’s about how you play the game. To go over time and time and time again and talk about how you ply the game the right way, and making the right decisions and making the right plays. To do it in one half and not do it in the other is frustrating.”

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96 Responses to State goes cold in 67-58 loss to Terps

  1. RTPMedic 02/18/2010 at 11:09 AM #

    “You have plays designed foe easy baskets. Backdoor cuts off of high screens, screens on the low block.”

    In the later part of the second half I could not identify one set play that was run. How can you set screens when you’re standing there watching someone else with the ball waiting for them to do something?

    As for either Javi or Degand in the game at all times? Agreed! Mays has shown he is weak at #1 and if he is in the game should only be at the #2 or as a third guard.

    Finally, anyone know what our mins played/game looks like? Whenever we have a combination on the floor that is working well, it seems like irregardless of how well they are playing, substitutions are gonna happen come &%$# or high-water. Last night Maryland got back in the game by upping the tempo and we did nothing to slow it down…well other than dribble around for 25 seconds before starting to move to the basket and throw up a prayer. Using up the clock is fine as long as you either have someone that can take it one-on-one (in a somewhat successful manner) or a set play where someone drives and dishes off when defensive help comes.

  2. Rochester 02/18/2010 at 11:41 AM #

    JEOH2, It’s true stats don’t tell the complete story, but it’s not a favorable one to Lowe no matter how you spin it.

    As for Gary Williams, he went 6-8, 5-9, 5-11, and 2-14 in his first four seasons, then 8-8 in his fifth year. It should be noted that he was taking over for Bob Wade, who went 7-35 over the previous three seasons, so that made Gary look pretty good. You also had the Len Bias death mixed in there.

    Georgia Tech was 5-11 under Bobby Cremins the year before Hewitt took over. As bad of a coach as Hewitt seems to be, he was pretty much .500 in conference his first five years and took them to a Final 4. And everyone thinks Doherty was a chump (which he was), but I have a hard time thinking Sidney Lowe would have gotten a 13-3 finish out of the 2000-01 UNC team if we had a magic time machine and could go back and force the Heels to hire him.

    I looked the records up to see a couple of things besides just how crappy Sid’s record was overall:

    1. Everyone seems to feel the program will automatically be set back five years by a coaching change. 13 of 25 teams (not including Miami because Haith took over in their first ACC season) had better records in their first year under their new coach than they had the previous season. 4 teams had identical records, 8 got worse.

    2. I was curious to see how many truly crappy coaches made it longer than four years. Doherty was fired after three. Dave Leitao was fired after four (despite a .422 winning percentage that kicks Sid’s ass). Bob Wade got three years, Bob Staak got four. Clemson fired Larry Shyatt after five years. FSU dumped Steve Robinson after five. In fact, of the bottom eight records (first four ACC seasons only), the three to last longer than five seasons are Les Robinson, Herb Sendek, and Gary Williams. So most schools aside from NC State have enough sense to cut their losses.

  3. GAWolf 02/18/2010 at 11:58 AM #

    Nice info Rochester. Thank you.

    RTP- Someone else had the same substitution philosophy: Herb.

  4. GAWolf 02/18/2010 at 12:02 PM #

    WOLFONTHEHILL: I called it then too. That shot was the beginning of the end… and everyone knew it… the fans… the coaches… the players… everyone.

  5. mwcric 02/18/2010 at 12:07 PM #

    This is purely mental at this point. This team is in a fog, and I believe, to take a note from BassPacker’s post above, that the team as well fosters a “not if but when” attitude on the scoring droughts and lapses. Looks to me like a couple of shots don’t fall and a mentality locks into the team’s collective head that this is to be expected and there’s no way out. Then that leads to unforced turnovers and defensive lapses, etc.

    I think it’d be better if Sid moved on for everyone involved, but I’ve also reached the acceptance stage and understand that barring a major scandal he isn’t going anywhere. That being said, I don’t know that I buy the argument that the opposing coaches are adjusting better in the second halves of games, simply because it’s not always the second half when we lay the egg – sometimes we’re cold in the first half.

    My guess is that, more than State’s bench being outcoached, it’s State’s players being out-intimidated. All any halfway decent team has to do is come out of the tunnel in the second half and ratchet up the defensive pressure until the first media timeout. A couple missed shots and silly turnovers and we play defense on ourselves the rest of the game.

  6. mwcric 02/18/2010 at 12:11 PM #

    As far as how to recover, I think I’d try to do a complete 180. Forget about working the players’ butts off in practice and going over and over the same old drills. Give ’em a week off or change up practice. Hell, put the whole team under hypnosis and fill them with post-hypnotic suggestions: “You will play so hard and so focused that you will be incapable of losing.” LOL
    I mean, the season’s over, isn’t it? What’s the harm in trying something – ANYTHING – radical? All we can do is lose more games, and what difference does that make at this point?

  7. Rochester 02/18/2010 at 12:21 PM #

    Last year we made an adjustment midway through ACC play, “going big” by adding Tracy Smith to the starting lineup along with Costner and McCauley. How about switching things up a little and going big from time to time? Play Smith, Howell/Horner, and Vandenberg/Painter together for a bit. We obviously don’t have guards to match up with anyone. Let’s try to outbig them a little.

  8. ryebread 02/18/2010 at 12:29 PM #

    I’ve wanted SL to succeed. If he succeeds, we win. I love that he bleeds Wolfpack red, feels every loss like the fans, understands the importance of beating UNC and Duke and that he’s willing to embrace our past.

    At the same time, with each passing game, loss and ugly collapse, I’m more and more convinced that we need to go in another direction. I feel like we’re in a Les Robinson situation, except for the fact that we’re not coming off of probation. The fact that we can even make these comparisons is damning enough.

    SL may be a fantastic guy who we all want to see win. At at certain point though, it’s time to recognize what we have and cut our losses.

  9. mwcric 02/18/2010 at 12:34 PM #

    JEOH2, I think your analysis of Rochester’s numbers are accurate, but the problem is that, for example, Coach K had an abysmal record over four seasons, but I would venture a guess that there was at least gradual improvement. Lowe had some encouraging moments in his first season, tanked in his second with an offense built around a 5-star recruit, bounced back a tiny bit in his third and has taken major steps backward in his fourth, despite a very strong start to the season and a team full of his own recruits. He’s more like Hewitt or Shyatt than any of the other coaches IMO. I guess we’ll find out next year if he’s more like Hewitt than Shyatt, since he’s got a potential Hewitt-esque recruiting class.

  10. Pack Mentality 02/18/2010 at 12:35 PM #

    The incoming freshmen should put us in at least 9th place next year. We will always be in the bottom half (at best) of the ACC with Sidney at the helm. So we have a good recruiting class next year. The freshmen will be on a team with upperclassmen who managed to finish last place. There are plenty of other ACC schools who have good recruiting classes. And guess what – these teams are adding those recruiting classes to a team that has existing talent and good coaches.

  11. Wulfpack 02/18/2010 at 12:44 PM #

    I don’t know how you can say the recruits will improve our standing 4 positions. The same exact thing was said last year, and look where we are. And what if Tracy leaves? What if Leslie and Cothron don’t show up? You’re telling me that’s what 2 guys are worth, when the other 10 couldn’t manage to win a game? Very wishful thinking IMHO.

  12. JEOH2 02/18/2010 at 12:55 PM #

    Rochester, I definitely wasn’t arguing that your statistics could be construed as favorable to Sid Lowe…just that the numbers shown were very interesting just not extremely informative because as you expressed, everyone has individual situations that impacts their record (Williams, Cremins)…

    And the big lineup idea is a good one, why not!? Painter/V at center, Smith at PF, Wood/Horner/Howell at SF, Degand/Wood at SG, and Javi at PG

  13. Pack Mentality 02/18/2010 at 1:12 PM #

    Wulfpack – I guess my sarcasm didn’t show. IMO 9th place is still a very crappy year. And you’re right, it may not be improved by even that much. If I’m not mistaken, these aren’t even McDonald’s AA that we’re talking about – and people are saying how they are going to be the savior of our program.

  14. GAWolf 02/18/2010 at 3:21 PM #

    Well the MCDAA selection has become completely political. It’s lost credibility in my eyes.

    I was talking to a friend today who made a valid point… the “system” that has worked in UNC’s favor for so long has become Roy’s demise to some extent. Now UNC recruits get named MCDAAs because their UNC recruits. It used to be that UNC was out getting all the MCDAAs because they were the best players. It seems now these kids that UNC is recruiting get named MCDAAs because they’ve been courted by or committed to UNC. The result is that Roy winds up with all these MCDAAs that might not actually be worthy of it, the expectations are inflated for those classes as a result, and then when they lose you have idiot Carolina fans screaming from the roof tops about Roy, and THEN you’ve got Roy dogging his players in the media with his hands thrown up talking about how he doesn’t know what’s going on.

    I say my friend has a pretty valid argument there!

  15. JeremyH 02/18/2010 at 3:46 PM #

    If you doubt the validity of the argument for success in the ACC that relies on top-tier talent, moreover top-tier guard talent, more than coaching strategy experience, as a premise, both UNC and Florida are perfect examples for an inductive argument.

    Because of how Sid was brought in, you simply cannot use a standard measuring stick on Sid, he gets some time to work things out because he had no recruiting ties, and no real-time college coaching experience. If you do insist on applying the same standard measuring stick for performance as you might normally, then we might as well not have hired him in the first place. If that is your quibble, your quibble is not with Sid, its with his boss.

  16. JT 02/18/2010 at 4:02 PM #

    Lowe will be here next year, so screw it, why bitch about it or whine for his firing? It ain’t gonna happen. If he doesn’t pull in way more talent over the next couple years then he’s toast and he should be for taking a half-assed program (yes, State sucked under Sendek- low NCAA bids is not success) and bottoming it out. As disappointed as I am with how much the team sucks and how Lowe has not given a reason to think there is an upswing coming, at least there’s nowhere to go except up. I guess that’s assuming the ACC doesn’t expand and there is another spot to drop.

  17. JeremyH 02/18/2010 at 4:14 PM #

    JT-I agree with you but your finish leaves something to be desired : ) If you elaborate on the reason for upswing, you can cite “highest ranked guard recruits coming in since Corchiani and Monroe”. And I take the sarcasm on “no where to go but up”, but it doesn’t really help your case, and you leave an opening for a counterargument on the bar being set too low, so on and so forth.

  18. mwcric 02/18/2010 at 4:47 PM #

    From the Maryland fanblog Turtlewaxing:
    “You wouldn’t know that Maryland was the team on short rest from the box score as Sidney Lowe had a ridiculous 44 substitutions in the game compared to just 26 for Maryland. That probably contributed to the lack of continuity that plagued N.C. State in the 2nd half. Lowe also found no way to get his best player, Tracy Smith, involved in the game. Maryland was doubling Smith, as they did in the last game, but having Farnold Degand, Scott Wood and Julius Mays take as many field goal attempts as your one true great player is another Sidney Lowe coaching lowlight.”

    So it doesn’t appear the “lunatic fringe” is just made up of Wolfpack fans.

  19. 61Packer 02/18/2010 at 4:51 PM #

    JT may be right about Lowe being back next season. However, if we do end up last in the ACC, and especially if we close on a 10-game losing streak, there will be significant financial consequences for the Wolfpack Club, not to mention attendance in the RBC.

    I’ve watched attendance dwindle at the RBC for the past four years, and this season the empty seats grow in number. $25 seats to ACC games, even against Duke and UNC, are going unsold. There are plenty of empty seats in the lifetime rights areas of the lower level. How many more can and will empty out before NCSU officials start facing facts?

    Money, or lack of it, may be the ultimate deciding factor in Sidney Lowe’s fate as our basketball coach. If he were a better man than he is a coach, he’d take one for the team and step down at season’s end. It isn’t going to work.

  20. Howler1 02/18/2010 at 5:38 PM #

    Hey Rick,

    I know about BB practice as I have talked to a couple people who have seen several practices and the practices are like shoot arounds.
    Sidney had a reputation when he came in of having a very poor work ethic. Just go by the BB offices during the week and see if he is there working or out. He absolutely cannot coach college basketball.
    The recruits coming in will not win if he can’t coach them. L. Brown has not qualified and my people say he never will. That is why Sidney got his committment. Other coaches knew his grades were bad and quit recruiting him.It’s time to move forward and “LET LOWE GO.”
    Lee Fowler has to go also because no good coach will work for him. Why did we not let him hire a football coach? Duh!!

  21. JT 02/18/2010 at 5:39 PM #

    JeremyH,
    I get your point. I’ve posted somewhere before that the glaring weakness for the Pack under Lowe has been in the backcourt. If Harrow and Brown can come close to Fire and Ice (my favorite all-time player at State being Monroe), then Lowe may get that pendulum swinging. If he can get Leslie and/or some other top talents then it’ll be game on. Nothing would help this team more than having strong guards since some other pieces are in place. Chalk my sarcasm up to frustration at seeing light and then seeing it disappear in game after game. I REALLY hope Lowe can turn it around and I want him to have two more years to give it a shot. But the overall trend under Lowe through this year hasn’t been good- he’s running out of time. He’s gotta make it happen now.

    I do regret my “State sucked under Sendek” statement- to be accurate I should have said that State under Sendek never got to the level I wanted and it was obvious that Sendek had hit his ceiling, unfortunately well short of competing with rest of Tobacco Road. He’s a much better fit at Arizona State.

  22. Rochester 02/18/2010 at 7:17 PM #

    Right about now I’d take a coach who could get us back up to our “sucking under Sendek” level.

  23. PoppaJohn 02/18/2010 at 7:36 PM #

    ^Yea, agree with that. Making the tourney and dreaming of upsets was better than just dreaming of an occasional win. This 0-fer Feb is terrible.

    The season is over, just ask the players. I am out for this year. Sid will be back next year, we’ll have a couple more good players. We’ll see what happens.

    This year is dead. (dead last)

  24. whope90 02/18/2010 at 9:06 PM #

    The season is not over yet, there are five acc games left,four regular season and the trip to GBO for the acc t beat down. But for everyone blaming the players, that is the el sidney lowe cop out!!! These young men are 18-21 years old and they have to be taught,coached,trained, disciplined and loved and parented!!! If Lowe was a parent,his kids would be in social services home the way he treats them and abuses them!!

    Best thing for Lowe to do is resign and save face and admit he made mistakes and failed and that someone better than him should take over and apologize to these kids,university and us the fans!!

    Plus, You have to wonder if the Ryan Harrow blog message has had an affect on this team and the current players and all his talk about how help is on the way and he supports coach lowe??? And the coach states how he appreciates “the kid”(ryan harrow’s) support?

    Where is the coaches loyalty to his current players?? Does he even defend them especially when people talk about how the talent level is??

    I never seen a coach degrade his players with comments and lack of positive comments such as Sidney Lowe. Except Bobby Knight, he may cussed his players out,bout he fought for them and he loved them and won with them(four scrubs and Steve Alford beat a UNC 1984 Michael Jordan team in second round of NCAA”S/Still hurts the heels/that’s coaching)and ask Alford if he loves his coach!!

    Ask Javi G if he loves his coach after the Lowelovefest for Ryan Harrow??

    SIDNEY LOWE,
    SHOW SOME CLASS
    RESIGN,RESIGN RESIGN!!!!

  25. whope90 02/18/2010 at 9:12 PM #

    WAKE HOME SAT
    ROAD GAMES VIRGINA TECH,MIAMI
    HOME BC
    AND THEN 5-12 GAME IN GBO FOR ACC T!!
    COULD BE V TECH,OR MARYLAND OR CLEMSON
    OMG!!!
    FOUR OF THE LAST FIVE GAMES COULD BE 15+ LOSSES

    WHAT WILL LEE FOWLER DO?
    How could you allow a coach with a 11 game acc losing streak in which nine of the losses are by nine or more pts??

    PRICELESS!!!

    LEE FOWLER YOUR JUST LIKE CHARLE BROWN
    HOPELESS SIMPLY HOPELESS!!!

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