North Carolina 77, NC State 63

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Other than that Mrs. Lincoln…

In a game that was there for the taking, NC State couldn’t get it done tonight against the Heels, letting a five-point lead slip away during an eight-minute scoring drought in the second half. The Wolfpack missed 12 straight shots during Carolina’s run.

On the night NC State shot 39 percent from the field and 31 percent from behind the arc. Carolina, conversely, shot 51 percent overall and 46 percent from three point range.  The Tar Heels dominated the Wolfpack on the glass, out rebounding NC State 35-28 in what is becoming an alarming tend for State lately.

If there’s a formula to lose a game, that’s it.

Deon Thompson, Larry Drew II and Ed Davis  (who certainly looked better than ‘very questionable’) led the Tar Heels. Thompson notched 21 points with Drew and Davis scoring 18 and 12, respectively. Davis and Thompson also played relatively good defense on Tracy Smith for most of the night.

Tracy Smith scored a hard-earned 20 points and pulled down six boards despite going against two and sometimes three defenders much of the night. Javi Gonzalez tallied 19, but much of it came in a five-minute stretch at the end of the first half and beginning of the second half.

Here’s the complete box score. Try to ignore Scott Wood’s…umm…below average performance. And Dennis Horner’s. And Richard Howell’s. And Julius Mays’. You get the point.

Here’s the N&O’s take.

Come March, North Carolina might look back on Tuesday’s 77-63 win over N.C. State and pinpoint exactly when its season was saved.

A three-game ACC losing streak was in danger of turning into four when the Tar Heels found new life and their way back into the win column.

Deon Thompson’s dunk at 10:04 left the lone returning starter from last year’s national title team pounding his chest and sent the Heels on their way to a seventh straight win over the Wolfpack.

There isn’t a whole lot more to say really. If NC State doesn’t go cold in the second half, it would have been in the ball game late. Carolina certainly didn’t play great and left the door open for the Wolfpack to make a run. That run just never happened.

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119 Responses to North Carolina 77, NC State 63

  1. wufpup76 01/27/2010 at 12:20 AM #

    Patented.

    We got killed on the boards (again), but this was not a vintage ‘Holes are way more superior to us’ type game. We did have our chances.

    Neither team was very impressive. At all. I was there – it was an ugly game between two not so great teams.

    We gave up a ton of points on offensive rebounds and couldn’t find ways to score. The Holes were the better team almost by default.

    For the Holes, they can take some things away from this game – it was a road win for starters and their defense was effective in the 2nd half – but any Hole fan thinking that some kind of long winning streak is going to start is delusional.

    N.C. State had *a lot* to do with Chapel Hole’s defensive prowess in the second half. The Holes are far from a good/great team, which speaks volumes about N.C. State at home this season.

    This game was there for the taking after Super Javi went on his tear, but being the inconsistent team that we are we couldn’t take advantage.

    We couldn’t generate turnovers or rebound a ball. Disappointing.

  2. Class of 2009 01/27/2010 at 12:20 AM #

    We 100% didn’t “get dominated”. There was an EXTREMELY tangible lack of effort on NC State’s part. UNC didn’t beat NC State tonight; NC State beat NC State tonight. We come out after a good build-up into this game (loss to UMd, but wins against Duke and FSU) and not take advantages of Carolina’s missed opportunities and bad ball handling? The announcers seem to think Carolina was “dominating” the game and if the N&O thinks for one second that the team that just defeated NC State is on the cusp of some turn around, they are more disillusioned than I ever thought.

    The performance by the Pack tonight was atrocious and Carolina only played slightly less terrible than the Pack did so they won. Plain and simple. If neither Carolina nor NC State improves this season, NC State will be saying “more of the same” and Carolina will be saying “at least we won 2 ACC games this season.” Both teams should feel pretty sorry for how they played tonight. Kudos to the Tar Heels for getting one more point in the “W” column. Past that, I’m not really sure what to congratulate Carolina for.

  3. Wolfy__79 01/27/2010 at 12:48 AM #

    by the score, we were in the game. i got up from my seat to stoke the fire, thinking.. we just aren’t playing like we’re in the game! funny you mentioned that very thing. the second thought that occurred to we’re due for a run, this unc team isn’t that good. but boy did we make them good. of course, we tend to do that. following those thoughts, i thought, we’re playing bad.. they are playing bad.. surely we’ll wake up during halftime and get IN THE GAME. but no, we decide to just let unc play, we’ll just watch. the 31% from behind the arc is my biggest disappointment. but that is just a side affect of the poor point guard play that we see if not each game in its entirety, atleast part of the time. our point guards simply don’t manage the game.

    someone, maybe many, will praise javi gonzalez for the 19 or however many points he had. i will not. it in fact disgust me. i appluad his improvements over the years, but i’m continually disappointed in his overall pointguard abilities or really lack there of. sure, we’ve got recruits coming in, but two of the best pg’s of our history side by side… how can we be where we are.

    i blame all of this on pointguard play and unfortunately LACK THERE OF. no inside play, pg play. low fg%, pg play. it all has to do with pg play to me. second to that is senior/upperclassmen leadership. where is it. we haven’t had it in decadeS! hodge may be the ONE exception. i’m not sellling out on this year’s season.. it still has a heartbeat.

    i want so badly to see sid get pissed off and fight for it. he is a very laid back coach, which i appluad, but now… actually since last year is/was the time to be a prick. reign these kids in, bring it home. if you want to play inside out ball then do just that. not rely on three pointers. i don’t care if we shoot another three pointer ever. to me it is about inside play, i don’t even want scott wood shooting three’s. inside play, let’s take the initiative on the boards.. i like tracy smith, but he is not a guy to lean on entirely to get consistent power inside..but it will only take very little help.

    second-guessing coaching is so easy to do. we all do it. that’s what is so frustrating when your team is losing, good decisions still look like horrible mistakes. if anyone had the nerve to watch this game again, if it was too difficult to register during the first viewing.. how we were in it at half and managed a lead in the second half baffles me. we’ve seen this team play inspired ball, courtesy of our last two outings we appeared as if we had nothing to play for? we’ve got this team this year, for all the bad things that are going to be said from here on out, noone can be sure of what else lies ahead of us.. so my question:

    WHAT IS OUR NEW MEASURING STICK? results/wins, results/wins/consecutive wins, results/w’s/ consec. w’s/ .500 ACC, r’s/w’s/cw’s/.500 ACC/tourney run, finally.. r’s/w’s/consec w’s/.500 ACC/ACC tourney run/ACC tourney championship. it really feels like, IMO, we need: results,consecutive wins, an ACC tourney run to the championship game to win in order for me to remove the numbness. last night’s matchup marked a spoiled oppurtunity, we have one more oppurtunity before us.. this team right now, this coach right now (maybe not by much), but is better than this. so i ask, WHAT IS OUR NEW MEASURING STICK?

  4. Wolfy__79 01/27/2010 at 1:02 AM #

    i cannot congratulate unc-ch for anything. i hope they said thank you when the teams shook hands. don’t underestimate that team, all it takes is a smidgen of confidence for them to become world beaters. the game wasn’t pretty. but you can’t tell that to anyone, unc-ch doesn’t play “ugly” ball. this was no miraculous win, only one that most might think is a bandaid on a major artery.. but don’t underestimate them. i came in feeling we would split with them this season. we can. we are better than we played. in addition to my post above, i’ll add consistency at the point as a measurement for success/improvement/ hope/whatever we can call it. i’ll also throw in a silver lining/ glimpse of hope, maybe this is what sid needs to get his act/team together. put the winning team on the floor. i hear this crap, the acc is weak this year.. don’t tell me that, we’re 2-5. we are not that weak, yet our record and play suggests that despite some inspired play no more than a week ago. please, whatever you do, please don’t praise javi for his heroics (measley 19 pts), they were nice but we don’t need that. we NEED SOLID POINT GUARD PLAY. just b/c he or none of the other so called point guards aren’t blue chippers doesn’t mean they can’t manage a game. we don’t need him with 19 points, we need him with 7,8,9,10 assists, steals.. all that good stuff. he does more damage with his streaky shooting than people give him credit for. remember this a guy who misses point blank layups every other game if that. i like javi, this is constructive, it’s time to take the training wheels off of both the players and coaches. IT IS TIME!

  5. travelwolf 01/27/2010 at 1:10 AM #

    the game can be summed up in few words: we couldn’t hit outside shots. that’s all there is to it. they double/triple teamed Tracy and dared us to shoot, and we couldn’t hit. We played pretty good D until the last quarter, when we got sloppy. the only improvement is perhaps that we need to force it inside when we can’t hit from the outside. other than that, i’m proud of our guys. carolina was hitting everything it seems. and they had an amazing foul advantage (again – 11 FTA vs. 22 FTA). Lowe needs to start praying to the “God of Fouls”.

    This is the first year in a while when I have a realistic hope that we can make it to the top 7 teams – so we only have to play 3 games to win the tournament. we’ll learn to score hopefully by March.

  6. El Lobo Loco! 01/27/2010 at 2:34 AM #

    Well, it is back to the high-n-low teams we are used to.
    At least the domination was not complete, even though the score says otherwise.

    I still think Lowe needs to hire a motivator or a psychologist, or something to make the players BELIEVE they are good.

    move on people…. nothing to see here!!

  7. Broccoman 01/27/2010 at 4:45 AM #

    The effort from this game is what has convinced me that even next year’s recruits won’t make a difference.

    The whole culture at NCSU has to go, starting with Jed, and Sid needs to go as well.

  8. Pack Mentality 01/27/2010 at 5:48 AM #

    Vegas had State as a 1.5 point underdog. I guess Vegas doesn’t know shit since Carolina blew that out. I bet on State. I guess I’m the fool. Last time I bet on State was ’98 when I lost and said I’d never do it again. I won’t do it again (at least not until State shows me they are a power to be reckoned with). That probably will not be in my lifetime, I’m already 34 years old. I’ll probably post some comments here expressing my dissatisfaction up until I die, but I wholeheartedly do not think that we’ll be a national power before I die in 50 years or so.

  9. OwenDorm83 01/27/2010 at 6:27 AM #

    PATHETIC effort.

    In addition, don’t know where our guys’ heads are. Several of them just absolutely looked LOST last night…and at Maryland…and first half against Clemson.

  10. Wulfpack 01/27/2010 at 6:38 AM #

    “I still think Lowe needs to hire a motivator or a psychologist, or something to make the players BELIEVE they are good.”

    Umm…isn’t that, you know, the head coach’s job?

  11. Scooter 01/27/2010 at 7:23 AM #

    I must not be tall or heavy enough to ride this emotional roller coaster.

    Big question with no answer — who the hell is this NC State team? Are we the physical presence that beat Duke? Or are we the crappy out-side shooting team that lost so poorly last night.

    Make no mistake, a lot of the reasons we lost were because we didn’t try to pressure the basket. Carolina’s inside men were giving away fouls when we tried to push the ball inside. We were scoring or drawing fouls we went to the basket (though there were also a great many of the token Carolina No-calls as well), but we never committed to it. Instead, we attempted three after three after three…. on a night when everyone but Javi went cold.

    Too many missed threes contributed to State spending too much time on defense, picking up a lot of fouls (some/many unnecessary), and ultimately losing the game.

  12. ncsumi 01/27/2010 at 7:37 AM #

    This team has no leader, coaches included. If I’m Lowe, I pull an Amato/Rivers, call Harrow this morning, name him as our floor leader and tell him to be prepared to play 40min+ per game next year. If Harrow can not handle it then it is the next coach’s problem.

    There are three players on this team that you know what you are getting play-to-play: Smith, JV and unfortunately CJ. Everyone else is a crapshoot pretty much minute to minute.

    As Lowe, my new goal this year is to average no less than a technical per game until we get some consistency back on the inside game from both ends of the floor.

  13. tuckerdorm1983 01/27/2010 at 7:46 AM #

    the heels have too much talent. We are undersized. Ergo killed on the boards. Smith tries to ramp it up on the boards and he commits fouls. I still say we are a work in progress. We handled the double team of Smith better. I am looking forward to next year. This year I hope (fingers crossed) we make the NIT.

  14. Thompson44 01/27/2010 at 7:47 AM #

    Brocoman you need to relax. As long as Sid keeps Javi in the point position it will remain up and down. The kid dribbles more than anything and makes poor passes at least 5 times a game. You also can’t blame Sid for the ball not going in the basket, if we shoot like we did against Duke we win. It is just the nature of the game. I can hold onto the fact that I got to see 2 National Championships in my lifetime and I do believe that if Tracy comes back and with Harrow coming in at point State will be a factor next year in the ACC. I am not saying they will win the ACC but they will be in the top 5. I know patience is running thin but keep the Faith that is what makes us the best fans in the ACC. Just Fire Jed and move on.

  15. packplantpath 01/27/2010 at 7:52 AM #

    Without an outside threat, we suck. It is as simple as that. With Duke, we had Horner and Wood both making threes. Perfect storm game.

    This game, neither could get a shot to fall leaving smith to get double and triple teamed because they don’t think we can kick it out and score. They were right. If Horner or Wood were a threat, this game turns out different.

  16. RSP123 01/27/2010 at 8:05 AM #

    I said in an post before the game: we need a leader on this team to steady the ship when the water is rough. Javi – maybe in spurts – but no player has emerged as the guy to motivate the others on the court. We desparately needed that last night when the shots would not fall and the Heels made their run.
    Quick Observations:
    (1) lost game in first half with inability to hit open outside shots
    and keep the Heels off the offensive glass (had these fallen,
    inside would have opened up for Smith and the Heels would be less
    8 first half points)
    (2) lost game in second half when we made run and then came down on
    four straight possessions and could not score to increase lead. We
    rushed and did not run our offense (Degand misses lay-up, Vandy
    misses put back)
    (3) in second half while we had the lead, Smith gets 3 fouls and there
    is a missed goaltending call (did anyone notice when he picked up
    his fourth, there was a obvious UNC over the back not called?)
    (4) finally, I do not care who you are playing, you cannot go 8 minutes
    in a half and not score a point (players have to make plays and our
    players did not)
    In closing, where do we go from here? Who knows. I do know that State better be ready to play Saturday against NC Central. With this team’s mindset and no proven leader, this game is not a sure thing. Plus, throw in bad weather and a sparse crowd – this potentially has disaster written all over it. I hope the Pack bounces back!

  17. Rick 01/27/2010 at 8:09 AM #

    “There was an EXTREMELY tangible lack of effort on NC State’s part. UNC didn’t beat NC State tonight; NC State beat NC State tonight.”

    All I have been reading on this board is “we just have to show effort”, “if we at least improve”…

    I thought I saw it for two games. Now we are back to the same SL team we have seen for 4 years. (Hint: it was HWSNBN players that were the problem)

  18. Broccoman 01/27/2010 at 8:24 AM #

    Yeah you got to live during those championships. I wasn’t born for the first one, and was babbling during the second. You’re lucky in that regard.

    Quite simply- I see an unacceptable performance, and it can’t be blamed on anyone but Sid anymore. I remember something about a guy from Harlem being the savior of a previous coach. That worked out well didn’t it.

    This game was pretty much the final straw in my eyes, barring a string of unlikely road wins.

  19. Tiew 01/27/2010 at 8:25 AM #

    People who complain about effort are just upset we lost and looking for a moral failing to blame it on. We had great effort and better teamwork than UNC for most of this game. Our effort and teamwork (and UNC’s sloppiness) kept us in this one even though we were outclassed in shooting and rebounding.

    This isn’t an apology for Sid. He’s ultimately responsible for his wins and losses. If he can’t start winning at some point he should be let go. I don’t care if it’s not his fault. Coaches get paid the big bucks because their responsible whether or not it’s their fault. I’m just saying this to defend the players who are working very hard to make the best of the bad situation our university has put them into.

  20. PoppaJohn 01/27/2010 at 8:27 AM #

    I HATE losing to Carolina

    Here’s the problem – defense. When we play our best defense, we get more easy shots and they get fewer easy shots. Result = they don’t shoot 57% to our 29% in the second half and we are in the game. Our defense stunk.

    I HATE losing to Carolina!!!

    I keep thinking all of this good team / bad team schizophrenia will go away when the team gets a little more experienced, but here we are, 21 games into the season, only 13 wins, and no reason to think it’s going to happen soon. We have the talent and coaching to be good – in the pre-game Roy said he thought this is Sid’s best team – we just can’t seem to do it night in and night out.

    I know you guys want somebody to kill, Sid, Javi, Fowler or somebody. I’m not pointing fingers, I just want to see that team that beat Duke again.

    Did I mention, I HATE losing to Carolina?

  21. LRM 01/27/2010 at 8:28 AM #

    During that 8:14 patented Sendek-Lowe scoring drought, how many times was Tracy sans defenders when we didn’t even look to get him the ball?

    That brilliant gameplan we executed against Duke fell apart against Maryland and then crumbled again last night. Instead of running the so-called sets to get the ball to Tracy, instead, while Carolina mounted a 13-0 run over that 8:14, we made bad passes around the perimeter and settled for bad shots.

    Luckily for us, we were doing so much wrong no one thing stood out as a difference-maker.

  22. PackerInRussia 01/27/2010 at 8:29 AM #

    I haven’t noticed a huge difference from game to game (including all of the past 5 games) in the team. It seems to me that they have been taking the same shots and doing the same things on offense, but they just happened to hit a higher percentage of those shots in some games (see: Duke, FSU when Scott Wood(no “s”) couldn’t miss if he wanted to) and not in others (see: UNC, MD). In the Duke game, Javi steps back and hits an insanely long 3-pointer. In the Maryland game he airballs it. Last night, Scott Wood(no “s”) was the polar opposite of himself against FSU.
    In the games that they’ve won, they have been hitting almost all of their close-range shots and a high percentage of their mid-range/outside shots. That did not happen last night (at least consistently). When their offense gets off, they get desperate and different players try to put the team on their back and take over. Admirable, but it only makes things worse. I would call it misplaced effort. Thus I think that execution is a bigger problem than effort for this team.
    Their defense seems to take its cue from their offense (don’t good teams do the opposite?). When they’re on on offense, they ramp up their D. Conversely, when they’re not getting it done on offense, they don’t exert themselves on the other end (although this is not always true. At FSU there were some bad defensive moments despite a stellar offensive game). Additionally, I still haven’t seen their answer against the zone. Passing it around the top of the key and throwing up a shot worked against Duke, but I wouldn’t rely on that if I were them.
    Based on all of this, I think the inconsistency will continue. They have the players and shooters that can play lights out one night and disappear the next. We should just hope that Jekyl shows up more than Hyde. Or is it the other way around? I can’t remember.

  23. cc4ncspack 01/27/2010 at 8:31 AM #

    I am so tired of seeing Sid clap and whistle. When the refs suck, get on their asses. A technical foul may just fire the team up at times. Its time to step up or step out. NOW!!!

  24. NCSU84 01/27/2010 at 8:39 AM #

    HWSNBN players??? Please define this acronym.

  25. Clarksa 01/27/2010 at 8:39 AM #

    For us to win, we need:

    A) Tracy to play well
    B) Gonzalez/Degand/Mays – 2 of the 3 have to play well
    C) Horner/Wood/Howell – 2 of the 3 have to play well

    I *think* that is why we have such bizarre substitution patterns…because Coach Lowe has no idea who is going to step up on any given night and he constantly “tinkers” with the lineup…

    Wood and Horner both had some good looks last night and the shots just wouldn’t drop…very, very frustrating game.

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