Pack Must Play Better To Win On The Road Against Wake

Don’t be fooled into believing that NC State will wolf down a cupcake against a poor team on Saturday in Winston-Salem.  Tom O’Brien certainly isn’t, and Pack fans would be wise to believe their coach:  State’s upcoming road and conference opener will be anything but an easy win for the favored Red and White.

Despite State’s gaudy defensive ranking of #1 nationally in Total Defense, O’Brien puts little faith in the numbers at this point.  “It doesn’t really say anything,” he said in yesterday’s weekly presser. “If we’re there after 12 games, I think it will say a lot about our defense.” But not until, obviously.

O’Brien has legitimate reason for concern.  Before making an in-game adjustment, State’s defense was being run over by freshman Dion Lewis, who was able to escape weak tackles and players out of position in order to gain nearly eighty yards before the half.  Lewis may have had even more yards, but poor special teams play on the part of the Wolfpack was leaving Pittsburgh with a short field most of the first two quarters.  Quarterback Bill Stoll was also effective passing the ball against the NC State secondary, and ended the game with a little more than 200 yards passing with two touchdowns against no interceptions.  More telling, in the Pitt game, the Wolfpack defense missed at least twenty tackles, continuing a disturbing trend that is unfortunately developing into an identity: this edition of the NC State stopping unit is simply comprised of poor take-down artists.

Yet somehow the Wolfpack was able to win the game, mostly because of an outstanding offensive effort that saw NC State move the ball nearly at will, and also because the defense was able to stop the Panthers from scoring a tying touchdown after they were handed the ball on the State 8 yard line as the clock melted down.  In that stand, State rose to the occasion, and prevented the game from being tied and possibly into an overtime stanza where anything could happen.  A sure TD pass was knocked away from Pitt receiver Dorin Dickerson’s hands by safety Brandon Bishop  one play before a pressured and hurried Stull’s fourth-down pass sailed out of the end zone with 1:15 left, handing the football back to NC State and with it a hard-earned victory.

AP NC State Wake Forest FootballAgainst Wake Forest and their mildly hostile crowd (expect a great deal of red-clad fans in Winston on Saturday) State will again face a wily and competent quarterback in Riley Skinner, and this time, the game will be on the opposition’s turf. Wake Forest leads the ACC in total offense with 412.2 yards per game, where  Skinner has a misdirection-oriented multiple-option ground attack at his disposal, one designed specifically to take advantage of teams the stray from a disciplined hard-nosed and hard tackling style.  In short, Wake Forest, despite their 0-1 ACC and 2-2 overall record will present another major challenge for a defensive unit that really isn’t as good as their stats might indicate.

On offense, State will have a major advantage in that their unit is firing on all cylinders and the Wake Forest defense is allowing more than 350 yards per game.  Sophomore QB Russell Wilson will undoubtedly again prove to be elusive in the passing pocket, where he can extend plays giving receivers time to escape their defensive shadows or to simply take off on his own, usually for big gains.  While he was bottled up against the South Carolina Gamecocks, Wilson has lit it up since then, increasing his personal total offense stats to 271 yards per game.  Granted, two of those games were against far inferior opponents Gardner-Webb and Murray State, but his last game against the quality defense of Pittsburgh proved that Wilson has lost little if any of his 2008 mojo.

State’s offense also features the running tandem of Toney Baker and Jamelle Eugene, who collectively are quite a load for any defense to handle for four quarters.  Baker has returned to the field after two years of medical redshirts due to knee injuries, and it looks like he has lost very little of his nationally-touted pre-injury skills.  A threat as both a receiver and a pounding north-south runner, Baker will be playing in a homecoming game of sorts as BB&T Field in Winston-Salem is the closest ACC stadium to his hometown of Jamestown, NC, which is between Greensboro and High Point.  Jamelle Eugene, who has had some in-season injuries, has yet to recapture his game-breaking 2008 abilities, but as each week without him on the NC State Injury Report goes without mention of him, it is reasonable to believe that Eugene will round into form and once again be the formidable weapon that he was last season.

falcons.saints4Two final intangibles simply cannot be overlooked for this game: penalties and the invisible yardage of the kicking game.  Despite winning against Pittsburgh last week, NC State can ill-afford another week where it garners 12 penalties and gives away 81 yards in the process.  At home, there were numerous procedure fractions against the Wolfpack offensive line, including four false starts.  Even though BB&T Field is hardly a deafening venue, the offensive line will need to be sharper before the snap and not get a set of downs “off schedule” by twitching or leaving early and setting the team back five unnecessary yards.  The same is true for correctly lining up at the line of scrimmage, and thus avoiding boneheaded “five men in the backfield” procedure calls.  In the kicking game, not only do punts and kickoffs need to be sharper, so does the downfield coverage that minimizes returns.  It is of paramount importance to the Wolfpack’s chances that they force Wake Forest into long-field situations instead of leaving the Deacons near or beyond midfield when Skinner and his offensive unit trot out to begin a possession.  These two things are critical keys to this game, and given the year-to-year excellence that are Wake’s special teams, could indeed turn into the deciding factor between loss and victory.

On paper, this game has every look of a potential shootout, one that may well be decided by who has the ball last.  Then again, games are not played on paper, and footballs take extremely funny bounces — especially in an ACC that is not filled with powerhouses, but instead a collection of good-but-not-great teams.  In other words, anything could happen in Winston-Salem, and despite being favored heading into this contest, all indications are that NC State will need to be firing on all cylinders if it plans to come away with a win in a stadium that quite honestly has been a house of horrors for them for the past decade.  Wake Forest has won three of the last four contests, including the past three games in Winston-Salem, where the Pack has not won since 2001.

Perhaps Tom O’Brien put is best yesterday. “This is conference play,” he said.  Then, in a statement that needs to be perfectly clear to State players, he added that  “this is the big time. This is where you earn championships, right here. You’ve got to man-up now.”

Last Ten Games Against Wake Forest

Year W/L Site Score
2008 Won Home 21-17
2007 Lost Away 38-18
2006 Lost Home 25-23
2005 Lost Away 27-19
2004 Won Home 27-21 (OT)
2003 Lost Away 38-24
2002 Won Home 32-13
2001 Won Away 17-14
2000 Won Home 32-14
1999 Lost Away 31-7

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48 Responses to Pack Must Play Better To Win On The Road Against Wake

  1. OAB 09/30/2009 at 3:07 PM #

    Can someone that understands football better than I do explain what adjustments we made on defense in the second half of the Pitt game? It was like two completely different teams out there.

  2. SeaWolf 09/30/2009 at 3:31 PM #

    The thing that scare me about Wake is special teams. We looked awful on special teams last week, and Grobe stresses this aspect. I was listening to his show on 101.1 a few weeks back and he was discussing his special teams philosophy. He said that the secret is to get your best guys out there, and that his guys have to understand that in order to play on defense you may have to play special teams as well. Guys like Aaron Curry started (I think) every year on special teams even after he was a defensive starter. Grobe claims that having players that understand the importance behind the kicking game are the kids he wants. He even talked about benching guys who were starters on offense and defense if they refused to play special teams.

  3. Alpha Wolf 09/30/2009 at 3:32 PM #

    ^ I saw and have heard it confirmed that the defensive players were told to make tackles lower in order to take the legs out of the Pitt players. It worked.

  4. choppack1 09/30/2009 at 3:44 PM #

    Good info Alpha – and good question OAB.

    One thing to remember though – our D didn’t start out too good in the 2nd half. We gave up 2 TDs on Pitt’s first two possessions. Then we absolutely shut them down.

    I’ll be interested to see the 2-deep Thursday. Clem Johnson and Earl Wolff were grabbing some pine during key moments in the game Saturday.

  5. RabidWolf 09/30/2009 at 3:44 PM #

    ‘In the immortal words of Clubber Lang…”PAIN!”’

    I would prefer the immortal words of Jack Jenkins (Harlem Nights)

    “D d d don’t t t take this a a a ass whippin’ p p p personally”

  6. SeaWolf 09/30/2009 at 3:50 PM #

    Meant to post this earlier. Gotta be quote of the week so far. Grobe on Wilson’s streak:

    “That guy hasn’t thrown an interception since Moby Dick was a minnow.”

  7. bradleyb123 09/30/2009 at 6:36 PM #

    Great article, nice read, and right on target. Although, I have one MINOR critique. This comment…

    ^^^ “Yet somehow the Wolfpack was able to win the game, mostly because of an outstanding offensive effort that saw NC State move the ball nearly at will, and also because the defense was able to stop the Panthers from scoring a tying touchdown after they were handed the ball on the State 8 yard line as the clock melted down.”

    … doesn’t really give proper credit to what the defense did down the stretch. Yes, we stopped them on that 1st and goal at the end. But you didn’t even mention how much of a brick wall our defense was for pretty much the last 19 minutes of the game. We held them to mostly, if not entirely, 3-and-outs over that stretch. We absolutely dominated Pitt on defense in the last quarter plus 4 minutes.

    I’m not sure if this was a case of us taking three quarters to figure teams out, or did we “find ourselves” in this game, and it took three quarters. I think that’s also a key. If we have indeed found ourselves on defense, then we’ll come out strong (defensively) from the getgo against Wake. If not, we’ll have to figure things out on defense again. Hopefully it won’t take three quarters to do that.

  8. bradleyb123 09/30/2009 at 6:53 PM #

    ^^^ “As for the atmosphere – while the fans won’t be loud. Wake will have their loudspeakers blaring while our offense is in the huddle.

    Every activity Wake employs is designed to be right at the edge of the rules. It is designed to give them an advantage and frustrate the opponent. But hey, they don’t break them – so it is what it is.”

    This is something I’ve been noticing lately. I don’t think “official” noise should be made, by the bands, or by the loudspeakers, once the play clock (not game clock, the play clock) has reached a certain number. Part of me thinks “official” noise shouldn’t be made AT ALL once the play clock has started ticking. Because at that point, they are playing on OUR time. We have X number of seconds to get the play off, and the opposing band plays until there are 3 seconds left on the play clock, something’s just not right about that.

    I know, we do it, too. I don’t think we should, either. Play on your own time, not the team’s time.

    I’m not talking about crowd noise. Nothing can be done about that, and shouldn’t. That’s the home field advantage in action. But a bunch of band people beating drums and banging cymbals preventing communication by the team on offense is not right.

  9. bradleyb123 09/30/2009 at 7:00 PM #

    ^^^ “Finally, on a different note, I don’t think the facemask mattered that much in the SC game. First, I think they were a better team- on paper they got a ton more yards.”

    I thought that, too. But when you considered the way we shot ourselves in the foot all night, we mostly did that to ourselves. We had a 50 yard pass completion brought back by a penalty (illegal man down field) that really had nothing to do with that play. And so many dropped passes. It would have been SO EASY to put up similar numbers on offense if just a couple of those unforced errors didn’t happen. We prevented ourselves from scoring one TD (dropped pass despite having BOTH hands on the ball), and we left a lot of yardage on the field, too. I daresay, those two catches alone would have come close to evening up the yardage stats, as well as put us ahead on the scoreboard.

    Sure would like that game back now. Dang!

  10. cooldrip 09/30/2009 at 9:58 PM #

    If you look back at that third quarter, our defense began playing better when the field-position advantage shifted our way. Before then, Pitt was starting drives around midfield.

    This will be key against Wake; as has been mentioned, our punt and kickoff coverage and kick length must improve. Wake’s offense over the past few years has been opportunistic, taking advantage of a talented defense that generated turnovers, and an NFL-quality kicker. They have neither now, so I believe our performance in the above-mentioned areas will be the difference between a comfortable win and a nail-biter. If we force Wake to drive the length of the field all day, we win by 14+.

  11. Sw0rdf1sh 10/01/2009 at 6:46 AM #

    Regarding the facemask call:

    From what I recall we have had 2 facemask calls this year on punt returns that would either have provided a score or red zone field position. I know in SC we did not get the score we needed, I can’t recall last week (I think this was last week).

    It is a smart penalty to facemask a player you would not stop for a score any other way, and that has kept our special teams play looking less than spectacular. Not saying our kicking and field position game has not been terrible, but on some of the other factors I think we are “slowly” getting there.

    Now we have conference play beginning, we need this portion of our game clicking. We need TJ to run one (or a few) back to really keep the opponents with that piece in the head…..it will help that is for sure. Having R Smith back should be nice as well.

    Field position, special teams, and tackling look to be our biggest factors as we ride up to Wake for a conference Win.

  12. section2chuck 10/01/2009 at 8:15 AM #

    Does anybody on here know how I can get my own avatar? I have looked all through the account settings and cannot find it, any help would be appreciated.

    Go ‘Pack!!!

  13. pack44fan 10/01/2009 at 8:27 AM #

    There sure is a whole lot of “confidence” on this board for fans of a team that has beaten only 1 division 1 team. I hope that you are right in your predictions. Based on NCSU’s past in games that the pack was favored in, I am reserving the right to be “hopeful”. Wake is a sound football team with a very good coach and I really don’t see much difference in the 2 programs except that Wake is more established at this point under Grobe than the pack is under O’Brien. I prefer to live by the adage “respect everyone, fear no one”.

  14. Sam92 10/01/2009 at 9:29 AM #

    the facemask call in the SC game wasn’t nearly as important as the dropped pass in the end zone. we have no one but ourselves to blame for the SC loss, we played like crap

  15. Greywolf 10/01/2009 at 11:58 AM #

    “If we have indeed found ourselves on defense, then we’ll come out strong (defensively) from the getgo against Wake. If not, we’ll have to figure things out on defense again. Hopefully it won’t take three quarters to do that.”

    I don’t think our defense is a matter of “figuring things out.” In another thread I mentioned wholesale substitutions between downs based on down and distance. Our best pass rushers and defenders are in on passing downs and our best run-stop defenders are in on downs that are more likely to be runs. Our defense is rested and fresh in the 4th quarter regardless of who is on the field. Defense wins football games. We can’t expect to always out score our opponents but if the opp can’t score, they can’t win. Obviously it takes both O and D to be the best, but a strong D covers a lot of errors — like turning the ball over on the 8 yard line late in the game.

    I am very impressed with our defense. Our young D-backs are doing an outstanding job and will only get better. It was only Murray State but that same Murray State scored 66 points the Saturday before our game. Had we not dipped down below 3rd string on the field, those guys would have been hard-pressed to score against us.

    Like TOB said, we are a bad team and bad teams that are the number one over-all defensive team in the nation with a 3-1 record are teams to be reckoned with. And this is without our possible AA linebacker. Considering that 2 starting DBs quit after spring practice, our coaches are doing an out of this world job.

    Go Pack!

  16. Greywolf 10/01/2009 at 12:15 PM #

    Every week we see and hear partial scores where lesser teams are ahead of better teams yet it is not uncommon for those better teams to prevail in the 4th Quarter. As I think back to some of the games over the last half century that State has been one of those teams that fell just a little short, I enjoy even more being a solid team that prevails in the end.

    If we don’t do this… If we do that… If we do the other…. If a frog had wings, he wouldn’t bump his ass.

  17. bradleyb123 10/01/2009 at 3:34 PM #

    ^^^ “There sure is a whole lot of “confidence” on this board for fans of a team that has beaten only 1 division 1 team.”

    pack44fan, you sound a bit like the Carolina fans giving us a hard time about that. Sure, we’ve only beaten one D-1 team, but we’ve only played two. And we disposed of the FCS opponents the way good teams dispose of FCS opponents. Basically, we held serve.

    I’m with you, though. I just have hope. I’ve seen us play well early in the season for a change, unlike the last few years. We definitely have room to improve, but TOB has had us improving throughout the course of the season in both of his previous years here. So that gives us room for hope.

    And I agree — respect everyone, fear no one.

  18. bradleyb123 10/01/2009 at 3:37 PM #

    Greywolf, I hadn’t thought about that. Our defense played better late in the game because they were fresh and Pitt’s offense was not as fresh. Good point.

    I just hope we figure out how to play a little better earlier in the game. I’d like to see us put teams in a hole early, and keep them in a chokehold down the stretch. We don’t need to fall behind the way we did against Pitt.

  19. Broccoman 10/01/2009 at 4:28 PM #

    After seeing how our young secondary is, I think we might now know why some of those DBs quit. Hopefully that’s the case.

  20. bradleyb123 10/01/2009 at 4:36 PM #

    ^^^ “After seeing how our young secondary is, I think we might now know why some of those DBs quit. Hopefully that’s the case.”

    I thought about that as I was reading some of these posts, Broccoman.

  21. Greywolf 10/02/2009 at 12:24 AM #

    “I’d like to see us put teams in a hole early, and keep them in a chokehold down the stretch.”

    My idea of a close game for us is something like a 42-10 win, but it doesn’t happen every Saturday. Think of the games in the RBC where we played a tight 1st half only to lose in the last couple of minutes. Every team has close games. The good ones win them.

  22. pack fan 10/02/2009 at 9:04 AM #

    State simply needs to apply pressure on Skinner early on in the game. A couple of hard hits without penalties would be nice. The old saying “ring his bell” would apply. It seems that Winston-Salem has been a tough place to win for the pack as of late. Lets just hope that the boys are ready to come out and hit somebody. Go State!!!

  23. pack44fan 10/02/2009 at 11:47 AM #

    Red and white fan through and through. Graduated from NCSU in 1983. Love the pack. Just hate to get my hopes dashed. Think Tom O’Brien has us on the right path to success. I just respect Jim Grobe and the fantastic job he has done at Wake and think the Pack should in no way shape or form be overconfident going into this tilt.

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