Pack Must Play Better To Win On The Road Against Wake

Don’t be fooled into believing that NC State will wolf down a cupcake against a poor team on Saturday in Winston-Salem.  Tom O’Brien certainly isn’t, and Pack fans would be wise to believe their coach:  State’s upcoming road and conference opener will be anything but an easy win for the favored Red and White.

Despite State’s gaudy defensive ranking of #1 nationally in Total Defense, O’Brien puts little faith in the numbers at this point.  “It doesn’t really say anything,” he said in yesterday’s weekly presser. “If we’re there after 12 games, I think it will say a lot about our defense.” But not until, obviously.

O’Brien has legitimate reason for concern.  Before making an in-game adjustment, State’s defense was being run over by freshman Dion Lewis, who was able to escape weak tackles and players out of position in order to gain nearly eighty yards before the half.  Lewis may have had even more yards, but poor special teams play on the part of the Wolfpack was leaving Pittsburgh with a short field most of the first two quarters.  Quarterback Bill Stoll was also effective passing the ball against the NC State secondary, and ended the game with a little more than 200 yards passing with two touchdowns against no interceptions.  More telling, in the Pitt game, the Wolfpack defense missed at least twenty tackles, continuing a disturbing trend that is unfortunately developing into an identity: this edition of the NC State stopping unit is simply comprised of poor take-down artists.

Yet somehow the Wolfpack was able to win the game, mostly because of an outstanding offensive effort that saw NC State move the ball nearly at will, and also because the defense was able to stop the Panthers from scoring a tying touchdown after they were handed the ball on the State 8 yard line as the clock melted down.  In that stand, State rose to the occasion, and prevented the game from being tied and possibly into an overtime stanza where anything could happen.  A sure TD pass was knocked away from Pitt receiver Dorin Dickerson’s hands by safety Brandon Bishop  one play before a pressured and hurried Stull’s fourth-down pass sailed out of the end zone with 1:15 left, handing the football back to NC State and with it a hard-earned victory.

AP NC State Wake Forest FootballAgainst Wake Forest and their mildly hostile crowd (expect a great deal of red-clad fans in Winston on Saturday) State will again face a wily and competent quarterback in Riley Skinner, and this time, the game will be on the opposition’s turf. Wake Forest leads the ACC in total offense with 412.2 yards per game, where  Skinner has a misdirection-oriented multiple-option ground attack at his disposal, one designed specifically to take advantage of teams the stray from a disciplined hard-nosed and hard tackling style.  In short, Wake Forest, despite their 0-1 ACC and 2-2 overall record will present another major challenge for a defensive unit that really isn’t as good as their stats might indicate.

On offense, State will have a major advantage in that their unit is firing on all cylinders and the Wake Forest defense is allowing more than 350 yards per game.  Sophomore QB Russell Wilson will undoubtedly again prove to be elusive in the passing pocket, where he can extend plays giving receivers time to escape their defensive shadows or to simply take off on his own, usually for big gains.  While he was bottled up against the South Carolina Gamecocks, Wilson has lit it up since then, increasing his personal total offense stats to 271 yards per game.  Granted, two of those games were against far inferior opponents Gardner-Webb and Murray State, but his last game against the quality defense of Pittsburgh proved that Wilson has lost little if any of his 2008 mojo.

State’s offense also features the running tandem of Toney Baker and Jamelle Eugene, who collectively are quite a load for any defense to handle for four quarters.  Baker has returned to the field after two years of medical redshirts due to knee injuries, and it looks like he has lost very little of his nationally-touted pre-injury skills.  A threat as both a receiver and a pounding north-south runner, Baker will be playing in a homecoming game of sorts as BB&T Field in Winston-Salem is the closest ACC stadium to his hometown of Jamestown, NC, which is between Greensboro and High Point.  Jamelle Eugene, who has had some in-season injuries, has yet to recapture his game-breaking 2008 abilities, but as each week without him on the NC State Injury Report goes without mention of him, it is reasonable to believe that Eugene will round into form and once again be the formidable weapon that he was last season.

falcons.saints4Two final intangibles simply cannot be overlooked for this game: penalties and the invisible yardage of the kicking game.  Despite winning against Pittsburgh last week, NC State can ill-afford another week where it garners 12 penalties and gives away 81 yards in the process.  At home, there were numerous procedure fractions against the Wolfpack offensive line, including four false starts.  Even though BB&T Field is hardly a deafening venue, the offensive line will need to be sharper before the snap and not get a set of downs “off schedule” by twitching or leaving early and setting the team back five unnecessary yards.  The same is true for correctly lining up at the line of scrimmage, and thus avoiding boneheaded “five men in the backfield” procedure calls.  In the kicking game, not only do punts and kickoffs need to be sharper, so does the downfield coverage that minimizes returns.  It is of paramount importance to the Wolfpack’s chances that they force Wake Forest into long-field situations instead of leaving the Deacons near or beyond midfield when Skinner and his offensive unit trot out to begin a possession.  These two things are critical keys to this game, and given the year-to-year excellence that are Wake’s special teams, could indeed turn into the deciding factor between loss and victory.

On paper, this game has every look of a potential shootout, one that may well be decided by who has the ball last.  Then again, games are not played on paper, and footballs take extremely funny bounces — especially in an ACC that is not filled with powerhouses, but instead a collection of good-but-not-great teams.  In other words, anything could happen in Winston-Salem, and despite being favored heading into this contest, all indications are that NC State will need to be firing on all cylinders if it plans to come away with a win in a stadium that quite honestly has been a house of horrors for them for the past decade.  Wake Forest has won three of the last four contests, including the past three games in Winston-Salem, where the Pack has not won since 2001.

Perhaps Tom O’Brien put is best yesterday. “This is conference play,” he said.  Then, in a statement that needs to be perfectly clear to State players, he added that  “this is the big time. This is where you earn championships, right here. You’ve got to man-up now.”

Last Ten Games Against Wake Forest

Year W/L Site Score
2008 Won Home 21-17
2007 Lost Away 38-18
2006 Lost Home 25-23
2005 Lost Away 27-19
2004 Won Home 27-21 (OT)
2003 Lost Away 38-24
2002 Won Home 32-13
2001 Won Away 17-14
2000 Won Home 32-14
1999 Lost Away 31-7

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48 Responses to Pack Must Play Better To Win On The Road Against Wake

  1. choppack1 09/29/2009 at 1:31 PM #

    Hopefully we’ll see the 4th quarter D vs. Pitt rather than the 1st and 3rd quarter Ds.

    I think Pitt didn’t get a first down on their last 4 possessions.

    One thing is certain, we can’t afford to be undisciplined (which includes poor tackling) against Wake Forest.

  2. ncsslim 09/29/2009 at 1:56 PM #

    We pretty much had a winning effort on both sides of the ball in the second half Saturday. We can only hope that the first half was part of the team’s progression, starting with a fumble on the first o-play of the game against USC and progressing to a best of 2008-like performance in the second half against Pitt (of course, that bad snap can go…).

    Only a fool will take the game in W-S litely. We’ve had what appeared to be much more dominating advantages against these guys end baddly. I mean baddly. May the “progression” continue into uncharted success.

  3. choppack1 09/29/2009 at 2:07 PM #

    ncsslim – we really dominated the 4th quarter and probably the last 2 possesions of the 3rd. However, Pitt scored on their first 2 possessions after we tied the game.

    We can’t afford to stumble out of the game. Of course, what’s interesting about this game is that Wake has stubmled out of the gate too against all 3 of it’s D1 opponents. They’ve had comebacks and put themselves in all of these games…

  4. Alpha Wolf 09/29/2009 at 2:09 PM #

    I almost mentioned that, Chop. Wake has started slow and finished strongly, so this could be an extremely tense affair down the stretch.

  5. howlie 09/29/2009 at 2:43 PM #

    How cum Skinner is so good at the nekkid bootleg?

  6. choppack1 09/29/2009 at 3:39 PM #

    I will go out on a limb and say that we have more talent and skill than any team that Wake has played.

    Now, they have played a very effective QB when they played Baylor. They’ve also played against a very effective D in BC.
    They’ve played a solid team in Stanford.

    I really don’t know how these teams would compare to our 2 best opponents.

    One thing is certain – we’ll be seeing a level of complexity we haven’t seen thus far – and we’ll be facing the best QB we’ve faced this year.

    Regarding our OL – one thing Wake does more than anyone is lots of movement by the DL and LBs real close to the LOS designed to make the offense jump. On their own OL, their center points right before he snaps the ball – the intent here is the same. They will also cut block like hell.

    As for the atmosphere – while the fans won’t be loud. Wake will have their loudspeakers blaring while our offense is in the huddle.

    Every activity Wake employs is designed to be right at the edge of the rules. It is designed to give them an advantage and frustrate the opponent. But hey, they don’t break them – so it is what it is.

  7. RickJ 09/29/2009 at 3:42 PM #

    The is the first time in years that I’ve gone into a Wake actually thinking we had the better team. Grobe is such a great coach and Wake is such a small school that there is a tendency to overlook the terrific talent they’ve had. Last year loss in Raleigh was every bit as much of a horror to Wake fans as the ones we’ve suffered to them in prior years.

  8. Sam92 09/29/2009 at 3:58 PM #

    i agree that this will be a tough game. wake has proven that they are tough to beat, and although their talent level is not that great, they play hard and are well coached.

    the difference here is tom o’brien. good coaching is what keeps a slightly favored team in top form for an underrated opponent.

    it won’t be easy, but i think tom obrien leads us to a win in this one.

  9. choppack1 09/29/2009 at 4:44 PM #

    Sam – the difference is also Russell Wilson. Last year, like all but one game he’s played in his career – he didn’t throw INTs. For all of Wake’s misdirection and offensive profeciency, they are fairly conservative inside the 20s.

    Even though we’ve been mediocre our last 2 trips to Groves Stadium – we’ve been in the both games in the second half – until we couldn’t overcome our TOs.

  10. tvp1 09/29/2009 at 5:25 PM #

    As I see it, there is little chance that Wake’s D will stop or even significantly slow our offense. Wake has also struggled to create turnovers this year – the modus operandi of their success in recent years. So we will win this game…as long as we avoid the following:

    1) Failing to capitalize on scoring opportunities
    2) Special teams blunders. VERY worried about this.
    3) Fumbles/bad snaps
    4) Breakdowns in pass defense.
    5) Groves Stadium Mojo.

    It’s unquantifiable, but the last one worries me the most. Groves has been a house of horrors for us. This is the first road game for our young defense. And Wake DESPERATELY needs this game – lose this one and they are 2-3, 0-2, and their division title hopes are shot. The intangibles seem to swing their way.

  11. packalum44 09/29/2009 at 6:31 PM #

    I disagree that the Pack must play better to beat Wake. Pitt is better than Wake. If we played the exact same we’d beat the next three opponents on our schedule. We have to get better to beat Fl St, V-Tech, and Clemson.

    Don’t forget Pitt played a really good game and still lost. Not saying we don’t need to improve, just saying we’d have to play WORST to lose to Wake, which is quite possible.

  12. VaWolf82 09/29/2009 at 7:12 PM #

    Wake has also struggled to create turnovers this year – the modus operandi of their success in recent years.

    There are two sides to TO margin and WF has stunk up both of them. Skinner had 7 INTs last year and already has 5 this year. However, this little tidbit does more to explain their two losses than provide any predictive value for Saturday’s game.

    WF no longer has Sam Swank, so they won’t be in FG range as soon as they cross mid-field. This evens out a very important part of the equation if this turns out to be a close game.

    State scored 21 points on the best defense that WF is likely to ever have. So I expect State to move the ball and score points. On the other side of the ball, State proved several times during the Amato era that a strong DL can shut down WF. We’ll see soon enough if State’s DL is up to the task this year.

    A shoot-out wouldn’t surprise me.
    A State blow-out wouldn’t surprise me.
    A defensive struggle would surprise me.
    A WF blow-out would surprise me.

  13. blpack 09/29/2009 at 7:16 PM #

    We should win this game. We have to take care of the ball and not do silly things. We can’t beat ourselves. BB&T Field has been a Wolfpack graveyard lately and we need to change that. The effort will be there. Will the execution? I hope so.

  14. b 09/29/2009 at 8:18 PM #

    Frankly Grobe is the only thing that scares me about Wake, I watched the Stanford and Baylor games and they were lucky to win against Stanford and even luckier to be remotely close to Baylor. Baylor’s QB is a faster running version of RW (who isn’t half the passer Russell is)and he torched them, so I think Russell will have a field day.

    I expect we will run the ball well all day long in response to whatever junk they run to thwart the passing game. Play ’em patient and it will be comfortable win.

    This is all based on the assumption the Pack plays well from the start. If they come out like they did against South Carolina it will be a scrap to the last.

  15. Uncle Everett 09/29/2009 at 9:47 PM #

    This game will be tough and State will need to bring their game.

    Big point about the Pitt game is that State needs to not leave points on the field. 2 FGs missed and a sure TD turned into a FG ultimately at the hands of the refs = 10 pts not on the board. State can’t have trips to the red zone end with no points.

    Drier conditions will hopefully help the defense tackle a little better.

  16. travelwolf 09/30/2009 at 1:06 AM #

    I’m surprised we’re favored – must be all those light-blue graduates writing the sports pages who are hoping to make our team overconfident:)

  17. Zen Wolf 09/30/2009 at 1:45 AM #

    We will win by 14 at least. I know we have a better team and at least a equal coach. I am also leaving space for us to have a game that is officiated fairly. In the last 2 games with BCS foes there have been two errors that could have cost us the game. The no face mask call in the SC game and the clock error in the Pitt game both could have cost us the game. I think with Karma we are due a few well officiated games and that is all we need. I also think the Pitt game is the first time in a long time that there were no major injuries. If we can get fair officiating and no injuries this could be a very nice year. Maybe Special. ACC Championship anyone????????

  18. Wufpacker 09/30/2009 at 2:53 AM #

    This game worries me as much as any game on our schedule for the simple reason that it is the first road game. Any mistakes (such as those made early in both the SC and PITT games) will be much more damaging and more difficult to recover from. However, I think this is probably the best choice (if we could even choose, that is) of road games for us to start out with considering who we have on the road this year. The only one possibly a better choice is, of course, @BC. I give the nod of preference for first road trip to Wake, if based on nothing more than locality. A first road trip to Winston should be less intimidating/disorienting than a first road trip all the way to BC.

    Also, I hadn’t appreciated before tonight, but I think the way our schedule is set up (especially the road schedule) couldn’t be more favorable. Road games to Wake, BC, FSU and VT, in that order. Arguably these go from least difficult to most difficult in order, making it such that we will (hopefully) be better as a team as the difficulty increases.

    Also, having Duke at home after @Wake, a bye after @BC, and Maryland at home after @FSU gives the team at least a slight bit of breathing room the week after each road game, before needing to face either a stiffer opponent (Clemson at home) or going back on the road. Even though the team and coaching staff do certain things so that road games won’t be such a change in routine, the truth is that not having two road games in consecutive weeks for the entire season is a huge plus.

    And the only road game that we have to come back home and face (arguably) stiff competition is Carolina at home the week following a trip to Blacksburg. And I don’t know about you, but I’m hoping that between the natural motivation of the rivalry, the fact that this will be the final regular season game and the team should arguably be as good then as any other time during the season, and the fact that we face a better opponent on the road the week before, and I still think the schedule again falls favorably for us. (Of course, all of the preceding is pure conjecture and does not factor in the possibility that, over the course of the season, any improvement as a team because of experience gained and/or being more used to playing together might be equalized/negated by mounting attrition due to injuries by that time)

    To win this weekend @Wake, we must first and foremost take care of the football (on both offense and special teams), avoid turnovers and thus avoid giving Wake a short field on offense and easy scoring opportunities (not to mention avoiding giving up our own scoring opportunities).

    Also, we must establish the running game early. I don’t believe we necessarily have to put up the kind of offensive numbers we did against PITT, but I do believe that a significant threat to run will be needed to keep Wake’s D honest and open up the passing lanes a bit.

    On defense, the DB’s need to play above their heads, and the DL must help by getting pressure on the QB (on passing downs) and stuffing the run. Skinner has the experience to make us pay if he gets too long in the pocket. I see this, aside from turnovers, as the single biggest reason why Wake could pull the upset. Our DB’s will have a difficult enough time as it is, but if the DL gives Skinner the time he needs, he’ll not only pick our secondary apart, he’ll make them look like an FCS or D-II team in the process (the way PITT did on a couple of plays). The DL must be successful in applying pressure. We can afford an occasional breakdown (which would surprise me if it didn’t happen) which will result in big plays, but on the whole the DL must show up big and keep these to a minimum.

    If we can manage to consistently do these things successfully and not have too many breakdowns, then I expect we will not only win, but it could become an old fashioned whuppin’. However, if we come out flat and start making unforced errors and turning the ball over (as we have been prone to do against FBS competition so far), we will pay a higher price than we did last week against PITT.

    I hope this team has come together enough, especially on D, to bring this win home. This is once again a huge “measuring stick” game, and I hope we prove to be up to the challenge. Best case scenario, we get out of Winston with the win and do not suffer any significant losses to injury. That would be a huge plus considering Wake’s penchant for pushing the bounds of legality and sportsmanship with some of their blocking techniques.

    PREDICTION: Pack coaching staff have already been preparing the team mentally for days for this very important contest (first conference game, first road game). With the exception of both first halves of the SC and PITT games, and one terribly misguided snap out of the shotgun late in the 4th quarter of the PITT game, it is easy to see this team improving as they buy more and more into O’Brien and staff’s philosophy. You could almost see the light go on late in the 2nd and early in the 3rd of last week’s game.

    This phenomena will continue this week on the road, and the Pack will play essentially error free (low turnovers, low penalties). They will control the LOS on both sides of the ball, beating Wake at their own game of chewing up large chunks of clock with the running game, with an occasional big play thrown in for good measure. It won’t be as high scoring an affair as everyone expects, nor will it be a blowout. But it won’t be as close as the score would indicate either, as Wake will tack on one or two scores after the game is out of reach and the Pack starts clearing the bench in junk time….Pack 27, Wake 19

    In the immortal words of Clubber Lang…”PAIN!”

  19. wolfonthehill 09/30/2009 at 5:48 AM #

    I’m honestly pretty happy that I’ll be in the Pacific Northwest, enjoying their abundance of microbreweries and Pinot Noir, this weekend… not sure this one’s gonna be all that much fun to watch.

    But I do love me some TOB.

  20. Plz2BStateFan 09/30/2009 at 9:10 AM #

    I correctly called the score last year for Wake. I will attempt to do so again. 35-17 State

  21. section2chuck 09/30/2009 at 9:34 AM #

    This game and Duke always scare me, they historically play us tough, no matter how much better we may look. Especially Duke game scares me, we all remember the Duke game in 2002 the 11-3 season.

    I will say ‘Pack wins 28-20…

  22. pack44fan 09/30/2009 at 9:58 AM #

    This will be a very tough game and could easily go either way. History indicates that everytime pack fans start to feel good about one of their teams, they lay a big old goose egg (I hope I’m wrong this time) State always does better as an underdog, not a favorite. All I know is Grobe is a very good coach and this will be a dogfight. Remember, all we have done so far is beat an unranked Pitt team and 2 subdivision teams…..

  23. choppack1 09/30/2009 at 10:08 AM #

    One thing of note…Wake’s secondary is YOUNG. They have one senior – and they are actually considering playing as many as 3 TRUE freshmen. One of their starting CB’s pulled his hammy. The senior is Ghee – and he’s solid.

    I’ll be shocked if we don’t test their DBs early and often.

    Still, their offense can cause us trouble. Our keys will be to play disciplined and improve our tackling. If we can do those things and avoid TO’s – I think this game is ours for the taking.

    I’m not sure how good Pitt is, but if you operate under the premise that I’m operating under – that they aren’t that much better than Wake, but probably aren’t much worse – then, we should be able to win this game.

    I really think a huge key for us will be to get ahead. for the most part, since TOB has arrived – our D has been fantastic when we are up.

    Also, when our offense plays well, our D tends to play well. (Whether this is because they are well-rested or not I don’t know.)

    good article in the Winston paper today outlining Wake’s defensive backfield situation:

    http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2009/sep/30/grobe-has-his-eye-on-youth/sports/

  24. BloggerEsquire 09/30/2009 at 11:17 AM #

    Choppack1, I actually think a huge factor will be the exact opposite of your ‘huge key.’ We practically spotted Pitt 10 points in 5 minutes. (I guess 5:52 to be exact.) Eventually we came back from a bigger deficit of 14 in the 2nd half. So experience thus far seems to show we can play from behind and keep our composure.

    We also know that Wake can play from behind- they were down against Baylor (24-7, losing 24-21), down against Stanford (17-3, winning 24-17), and down against BC (24-10, losing 27-24.) So even if we come from behind Wake appears ready & built to come back- they will not roll over.

    What we don’t know is if we actually go up versus a quality opponent early, how disciplined will the Pack be? Can TOB match the halftime adjustments that Grobe seems to excel at?

    Hopefully we can see better special teams play- that really seemed to be a big factor in Pitt’s early points.

    Finally, on a different note, I don’t think the facemask mattered that much in the SC game. First, I think they were a better team- on paper they got a ton more yards. That said, our first turnover led to a 14 yard TD drive; without that fumble maybe SC doesn’t score. Luckily we overcame a deep fumble against Pitt. I would like to think we can count on the heart & drive of this team.

  25. choppack1 09/30/2009 at 11:43 AM #

    bloggeresquire – I can see why you’d say that. But you have to realize that I’m not talking about just this year and I’m not happy w/ the way that we have started in the first two games.

    Quite frankly, the program that I want us to become doesn’t do that. And I don’t think that program that TOB wants does either.

    We know from last year, that when NC State built leads vs. Duke, UNC, and Miami – that the defense held them.

    I can only think of one game last year where our D didn’t perform well w/ a lead and that was FSU…still, in that game, we had a shot to win in the 4th quarter.

    And it’s not really that we can’t come back each week, but you don’t want that to be your mode of operation. The best teams start strong and stay strong…and I think our guys excel when we know the pass is coming…And if you’re up pretty big against Wake, you’ll minimize what they really want to do: pound you on the run.

    Trust me when I can say to you from an opponent’s standpoint – the worst thing we can do is start slow and give Wake confidence. They too have the ability to come back, but they’ll be even more confident if they stay w/ us in the first 3 quarters.

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