Agreeing with the Blogosphere

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After focusing on Coaches on the Hotseat in the ACC on Wednesday, we ended up surfing around a little bit and ran across a couple of items that definitely deserved some mention.


(1) Even though he isn’t linking to an SFN piece, Joe Ovies penned something I was thinking coming out of this past weekend related to ACC Football – nothing seems to be good enough.

Nothing the Atlantic Coast Conference does is ever good enough, is it?

In first week, the conference was hammered because they couldn’t win. The ACC actually won games the following week, but detractors still found fault in the manner in which they were victorious. What will the media complain about after this week? My money is on the possibility of Florida State getting hammered by BYU and East Carolina beating North Carolina being the latest material for more wasted column space telling us what we already know. The ACC isn’t the SEC.


(2) In addition to Ovies’ comments on the perception of ACC Football, he also brings up the topic of watching football on the internet which I have been doing with a lot of frequency this year. For the record, my experience with ESPN360 has been really nice. Lots of games. Quick loading. Relatively good picture. I have even hooked up my laptop to my television with an HDMI cable and watched on the big screen.

Unfortunately, the ACCSelect/PackPass service proved to be just as horrible and bad as you would fear. I paid $10 for the Murray State game this weekend and the service finally started working near the end of the 3rd Quarter. It was AWFUL. You can see some of the comments in real time on our message boards and Pack Pride’s message boards had dozens of posters also complaining Completely incompetent and embarrassing.

If you told me 15 years ago that watching any college football game in the country would be as easy as logging into my CompuServe email, I would have asked to see your flying car. Well, no flying cars yet…but we’ve got ESPN360 piping in football to my MacBook. Which is great, but equally lacking. Football is meant to be watched in the stadium or on the couch with an HDTV. Not on a 12-inch screen. It’s a growing sentiment in ACC markets, where the World Wide Leader is relegating games to the online-only service. Oh, you’re a Time-Warner Cable subscriber? No soup for you anyway.


(3) Despite being tempted, we haven’t directly linked to “Ricky’s Rant”…but, this entry from CollegeGameBalls provides enough value on other topics to merit a link and that way we don’t completely ignore something that a lot of people are talking about. They have the links we were going to post highlighting how Ohio State fans are criticizing one of the most successful coaches in college football history, Jim Tressel. The next time any MORON criticizes how NC State fans are different and worse than other fanbases then please remember this type of lunacy.

Of course, in the Lee Fowler School of Athletics Directorship, the conclusion is simple — ‘Who would want to coach at Ohio State with their crazy fans?’ You are starting to get it by now, I hope.


(4) Lastly, a bowl game continues to garner potential in Yankee Stadium. (Link to the Dr.) I love New York and would use any excuse to get there. And, I love the new Yankee Stadium that I visited for the first time on the Saturday afternoon of CC Sabathia’s masterpiece against the Red Sox about six weeks ago. But, the following says it all for me:

We’re sure this is a beautiful venue, given the money poured into it, and we’re all for football games staged in grand settings, but two things stop us from cheering this development: First, it’s an outdoor game in New York in the dead of winter, the type of locale that typically has trouble filling seats for a postseason match and has killed previous bowl games in the Big Apple with more attractive match-ups. (Although this is where the idea strikes us as sort of accidentally brilliant; the marketing hordes sure to be employed to publicize this thing are going to have more resources at their disposal than, say, the Pizza Pizza Bowl drones.) Second … the third-place team from the Big East and the seventh-place team from the Big 12 are rewarded with a trip to New York at Christmas? Really? Shipping them to half-empty stadiums in Birmingham or Boise is one thing, but no 6-6 also-ran deserves to set foot on Broadway.

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23 Responses to Agreeing with the Blogosphere

  1. Alpha Wolf 09/17/2009 at 8:22 AM #

    I am beginning to think that the “6-6 XYZ team does not DESERVE a bowl” crowd is either stupid or deaf or both.

    No offense, I understand how you feel if that’s your point of view. But I also think that at some point folks have to face reality, which simply is what it is.

    There is only ONE, and EXACTLY ONE, bowl that “matters.”

    It’s called the BCS Title game.

    The rest of the bowls, even the BCS bowls, are post-season exhibition games that are staged for profit. Profit trumps “deserving” by a factor of 1*10E23490524560982456

    a. Tourism. That’s easy enough to understand. In a time of year when hotels – especially in non-resort destinations – are slow due to the holidays, it’s a boon for business.

    b. Television. In a time of year just past the college football season and the holidays, exhibition bowl games provide ready-made programming.

    c. Corporate Exposure. A by-product of television programming is the sponsorship of bowl games that give tens of millions of impressions to companies, who have learned from years of marketing experience that the dollars-per-impression of sponsoring bowl games is pennies to the dollar relative to their normal marketing.

    d. Conference Income. This is the windfall profit time of year for schools and conferences. They all make money on bowl games.

    So in short, if you missed the recurring theme, it is money. Moola. Mucho Dinero, Dough, Greenbacks, Dead Presidents. Nothing more nothing less, and that has no consideration whatsoever for “deserving.”

    So please stop already, your train left the station about 25 years ago.

  2. primacyone 09/17/2009 at 9:02 AM #

    1)I’m all for EZU whooping up on UNC and BYU Whooping up on FLST this week, I don’t care what the media says. And to be 100% completly honest, nothing the ACC has done in football the last few years has been good enough. Can’t complain about the media when they tell the 100% truth.

    One thing I do absolutly 100% love though is media complaining about the media. I wish we had a lot more of that. Funny, I was thinking yesterday that a great idea for this site would be to have interviews on here with members of the media. I was thinking that yesterday in regard to the coaches thread. Ken Tysiac is a Notre Dame grad I believe, and I thought it would be interesting to have him on here in a interview format speaking of possbilities of Wies/TOB/Butch etc. as well as a few questions on how reporters think when writing to attract readers, etc.

    2)Not into wathcing football on a computer screen and havn’t tried it, but pluging it into to the Big Screen – that would be a different story it the quality of the pic is good. I just got a new Blue Ray player and it has a web conection to Netflix and Pandora – Would be sweet if Netflix or Pandora starting offering a ESPN360 live download.

    3)Lee Fowler still sucks. Our Fans are AWESOME. Enough Said.

    4)If STATE goes to a bowl game at Yankee Stadium, I’m there along with every other STATE fan I know. Enough Said. Love NY during the holidays. Would be sweet to have 30,000+ STATE fans in NY at the same time. But yea, I don’t see it being so attactive to a lot of conferences. At the same time, I see it as very attractive for a lot of teams if it was a big game. Boston College might have a few extra fans show up if they were in a bowl game there.

  3. McCallum 09/17/2009 at 9:23 AM #

    A college bowl game in NYC is right up there with their very famous salsa.

    The only time I’m going to NYC is when the lead tank breaks through.


  4. Broccoman 09/17/2009 at 9:25 AM #

    well- Time Warner is something we need to get rid of locally. Worst Cable Provider in America- even Comcast is better.

    As for a New York city bowl, I have no idea what was the best matchup to put there. 6-6 alsorans shouldn’t go, maybe Commander in Chief Cup’s winner (most likely AF or Navy) vs Big East 3 or something/

    Beats the Congressional Bowl for sure.

  5. packalum44 09/17/2009 at 9:42 AM #

    NYC YESSSSS I’m there! Football is supposed to be played in the cold! How awesome would a snowy bowl game be?! And yeah, I can hear it now….thousands of State fans leaving the Wolfpack Club hotel on 5th Ave. chanting “Wolf” – “Pack”. Unbelievable!!!

  6. Alpha Wolf 09/17/2009 at 10:14 AM #

    “Time Warner is something we need to get rid of locally. Worst Cable Provider in America- even Comcast is better.”

    You have TWC by choice.

  7. bradleyb123 09/17/2009 at 10:54 AM #

    Don’t forget

    As for TWC, I’d put up rabbit ears before I’d go back to those clowns.

  8. Alpha Wolf 09/17/2009 at 11:21 AM #

    Dish is nice, and we had those guys for years without a glitch. DTV does have more sports, though. Especially if you can talk the Mrs. into NFL Sunday ticket.

  9. highstick 09/17/2009 at 11:45 AM #

    I’m almost at the transition point to Dish. As long as I can get the Panthers locally and Monday Night Football, I’m ok on the pro side. I did like the idea that Dish gives you ESPNU whereas it’s an additional add-on with Direct.

    Right now it looks like it’s at least $35 per month less than my cable provider and I get DVR with it free which I don’t have with the cable provider at all.

  10. daughtry 09/17/2009 at 12:06 PM #

    ESPN 360 rocks! I streamed the USC game (I don’t pay for ESPN on cable) to my laptop, and hooked that up to my sound system and 52″ TV. It was great. My only beef with ESPN 360 is that I think the business model could lead to a really unpleasant internet experience if enough providers tried to follow this model.

  11. GAWolf 09/17/2009 at 12:26 PM #

    I’m switching from TWC to DirecTV tomorrow! WE’ve been battling TWC for years. We’re keeping the net and phone but going dish for TV. TWC HD channels are out at least 50% of the time on some or all of our TVs in the house. We’re going with DirecTV and saving $100/month for the first 5 months (with free NFL ticket) and then $50/month thereafter for 100 more channels. Not to mention, TWC customer service is the worst in the history of man.

  12. Plz2BStateFan 09/17/2009 at 12:52 PM #

    We pay 105/month for high speed internet and Digital cable(HD channels with HD-DVR). We dont have or need a phone land line.

    How much a month does it cost you to have phone and internet through TWC and Direct TV cable?

    Direct TV and Dish Network are satelite providers correct?

  13. SeaWolf 09/17/2009 at 1:53 PM #

    I have TWC and my only problem is the lack of 360 on Road Runner. DirecTV has no ESPNU HD and if there’s two clouds in the sky, there’s no way you’re getting a crisp HD channel. Dunno about Dish.

  14. Alpha Wolf 09/17/2009 at 2:09 PM #

    “I have TWC and my only problem is the lack of 360 on Road Runner. ”

    SeaWolf, your cellphone provider might be the ticket. AT&T and Verizon (don’t know about Sprint) are OK for ESPN360, so using the cell, you can fool to think that you are going to use one of their approved ISPs.

    1. Get a GMAIL or Yahoo email address.

    2. Use your cell phone browser and head to and register for a new account using the phone. AT&T and Verizon and authorized providers, so your account with be flagged as OK for ESPN360.

    3. Now, on your home computer, log into using those credentials.

    Here’s the trick

    4. has a “away from home” setting when you log in. If you tick this when you are logging in, it won’t care if you are on TWC or any other ISP.

    5. Enjoy ESPN360.

    Worked for me just fine.

  15. bradleyb123 09/17/2009 at 2:16 PM #

    ^^^ “I did like the idea that Dish gives you ESPNU whereas it’s an additional add-on with Direct.”

    Dish doesn’t give you ESPNU. You have to pay for an additional tier of channels that includes ESPNU. (It’s only $10/month extra). The next tier down has ESPN and the Deuce.

    Alpha, I can’t wait to try your steps for getting ESPN360 since I have AT&T phone service!

  16. SeaWolf 09/17/2009 at 2:34 PM #

    Interesting, I have a Verizon Blackberry premium data plan (or whatever they make you buy with those things). I’m definitely gonna do it. You don’t think it will charge me air time when I’m using RoadRunner to watch the games though?

  17. bradleyb123 09/17/2009 at 2:59 PM #

    SeaWolf, you won’t be using your phone when watching the games on your computer. You only use that to get to and register. That way you trick into thinking you’re going to be logging in by phone.

    When you actually log in, you tell that you’re “away from home”, just so they will let you log in. But isn’t billing your phone for any minutes used. You’d only get billed for the minutes you are actually connected to the internet by phone.

    I can’t imagine it working any other way. I believe the phone connection (in Alpha’s step #2) is only used to validate you as an “allowed user”. Once you’re in, you’re in. Just do it from your home computer from then on.

  18. CylonWolf 09/17/2009 at 3:01 PM #

    In regards to ACC Select/Pack Pass…Pack Pass is beyond awful. According to the date, it took them 8 days to put up the South Carolina game, and the Murray State game is still not available. I assume it will show up at some point, but when? Its terribly inconsistent as far as what is available…there are home basketball games from last year that were never archived, and the radio broadcasts, at least in the archives, are a disaster…some links do not link to the right broadcast, and others have bits of Duke broadcasts on them. I can edit a wma file, why cant they?

    On top of all of that, since GoPack decided to split from CSTV, you have to pay for both Pack Pass and ACC Select to get everything…so you are basically getting double billed, or not getting all of the content. Any CSTV school, and $10 would get you everything. It might be forgiveable if GoPack was such an awesome website that far outshown the typical college site, but…yeah.

  19. 61Packer 09/17/2009 at 4:10 PM #

    GAWolf, you’re switching from TWC to DTV tomorrow? Don’t you know that Versus isn’t on DTV anymore? (But VS is still on TWC)

    Why, just today in the N&O, there was a huge advertisement in the sports section, page 4, saying that if you have DTV, you can’t watch the Duke-Kansas game on Versus this Saturday. Trouble is, this isn’t basketball, it’s football.

    Seriously, you’re preaching to the choir. I’ve been on DTV many years and going back to cable from satellite for sports coverage would be like getting rid of my Sony HDTV for a 1970s Sears solid state tv. You’re gonna LOVE DirecTV!

  20. CaptainCraptacular 09/17/2009 at 5:04 PM #

    Alpha, Brilliant! Where is the checkbox setting for “away from home” when you log in? I have been unable to locate it when logging in via the main espn page or the main 360 page at the top right. Although I am trying to juggle browsers and do this on IE due to my being logged in to my regular account for Fantasy Football, etc on Firefox.

    **edit** doh I thought I was signing up via AT&;T but I forgot I was on wireless

    **edit** well I turned off wireless, created a new account while on AT&T 3G and still no option for enabling remote access anywhere. Get Access is there, which doesn’t particularly let me do anything when I select AT&T when logged in via the phone, but not enable remote access. Oh well.

  21. Broccoman 09/17/2009 at 5:21 PM #

    Reason why TWC shouldn’t be trusted one inch right there, especially if you live in the Triad. Howard Coble’s all cozy with them as well- it took Massa to get anything done for us locally.

    I despise TWC more then I despise UNC right now.

    That said, for streams and stuff I’ve just been using and things along those lines.

  22. Alpha Wolf 09/18/2009 at 9:03 AM #

    Versus will be back on DTV, it is only a matter of time. The Stanley Cup playoffs will see to that.

    Meanwhile, enjoy the NFL Network and if you are so inclined Sunday Ticket. I’d trade Vs. for that any day, especially since NFLN airs games later in the year. My next door neighbor is a huge Skins fan and Sunday Ticket is the only way he can see them live most weeks.

  23. john of sparta 09/18/2009 at 7:14 PM #

    +1. ESPN360 has been great. i’ve watched 4 college games online.
    my neighbor couldn’t since he uses TWCRoadRunner. i use DSL.
    just as a “heads up”…try for movies/tv online.
    i saw The Hangover, District 9, and Gran Torino online for free.

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