Headscratching Hire – Strength and Conditioning Coach

As I alluded in the comments section of this thread, Robbi Pickeral penned an interesting article last Sunday, noting that Sidney Lowe had named a new strength and conditioning coach. Lowe’s choice? Wright Wayne, Lowe’s coach in 1983, who had been reassigned to other programs within the athletic department for the last 12 years. If Lowe’s rationale sounds a bit off to you, you’re not alone:

“I know he can make our guys better in the weight room, but it goes beyond that,” Lowe said. “His vision is being the best, and he can talk to the guys about that, from experience. … He can tell the players about what it takes, all that we did and how hard we worked [when we won the NCAA title]. And they’ll listen.”

Think about that for a minute. Even if we make the somewhat questionable assumption that 1983 remains relevant to a group of players born almost a full decade later, clearly it must have its limits. Haven’t you already maxed out whatever power it might have by, say, having a head coach who was the senior point guard on NC State’s last national title team? That certainly seems like the strongest possible link to me. And it’s motivational mileage to date? Uh, not so good. A more realistic picture of nostalgia’s impact on today’s players is painted by a prominent Wolfpacker of much more recent vintage:

Q: Do you plan to come back and speak to the team at some point?

A: Well, they don’t know who I am and they don’t care (laughing). It would be an honor to come back and do that. . . .I’ve been invited to toss the coin before the North Carolina game. I guess they felt like we had some good luck against the Tar Heels. Maybe I can bring a little luck.

From a practical standpoint, it’s obvious that college basketball has changed dramatically since 1983, in ways more substantive than uniform fashion and three-point rules. Strength and conditioning methods are drastically different today, and cutting edge methods from 1983 would be completely obsolete today. There has already been chatter on other websites that Wayne’s methods are not in line with how major D-1 basketball players train today – and we hope anyone with special knowledge on this topic will add their perspective in the comments. Without question, Lowe is putting alot of faith in someone who hasn’t been around mens’ basketball in over a decade. And his track record with unorthodox hires that are “people Sid knows” is, again, not so good (Quentin Jackson, anyone?).

Several SFN editors/authors discussed this topic earlier this week (and we have a much broader spectrum of Lowe opinion and intensity of said opinion than critics suspect), and the feeling was unanimous – this hire is a total headscratcher. When I later spoke to someone whose read I trust greatly on all matters Wolfpack hoops, he interpreted it as a likely “circling of the wagons” – putting someone else in place that will be in Lowe’s corner, come hell or high water. That definitely makes sense, and certainly doesn’t make me feel better about the future of NC State basketball.

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43 Responses to Headscratching Hire – Strength and Conditioning Coach

  1. rtpack24 08/21/2009 at 2:27 PM #

    We should be able to gauge if the new S&C guy is an improvement over our last S&C guy. However, the players being in basketball shape is the direct responsibility of the head coach and what is done in practice to get them in shape to play in games. I hate to use UNC as an example but they do play up tempo the entire game, ask one of their players if it is the S&C guy that gets them in shape or if it is Leroy Williams.

  2. choppack1 08/21/2009 at 2:54 PM #

    “Meh…S&C is all about “want to”. An athlete can go through the motions of a 6am weightroom workout or he can really bust ass and make it worth something. The person that has the most influence over that is the kid. A coach can write up a program and yell and grunt when he gets a chance, but if you don’t have the internal drive it’s worthless. I may have said it before but the Irainian wrestling squad used to dominate the world with a few old cement weight benches, some milk crates, and a pull up bar. S&C is all about want to.”

    I’m sorry – I’m not buying that’s the case in this day and age (unless of course those excercises hit the necessary specific muscle groups. But it’s possible that may be what some coaches think(perhaps even our coach) – but I don’t think it’s true for sports in the 21st century.

    There are specific excercises one should be doing which help the athlete for his/her chosen sport.

    The other element is making the excercise meaningful and challenging for an athlete.

    I’d argue that your S&C coach/staff and their abilities are critical for all sports in this day and age.

    However, as others have mentioned, it’s quite possible that these kids aren’t being pushed enough in practice day and day out.

  3. Thinkpack17 08/21/2009 at 3:12 PM #

    Choppack, I was pointing out a very special case. I would not at all be for giving our team a cement weight set and telling them to beat Carolina. I was simply saying that in the weight room it’s more about desire than the guy with the whistle. Yes, there are specific exercises for your sport, but a second year exercise and sports phys. student could write out a program for you. It’s up to the kid to make the most out of it.

    When you are on that squat rack at 6am are you thinking about going back to bed or are you thinking about an ACC championship. An old guy with a whistle can’t make that decision for you.

  4. statered 08/21/2009 at 3:29 PM #

    it is strength and conditioning, not rocket science. Quite frankly there are not a whole lot of new exercises or programs under the sun. I would be willing to bet that an experienced S&C person could get up to snuff for this by going to a seminar or reading a book. Its not like there is some leading edge technology or something.

    The most important thing in this hire is the charecter and drive of the new guy, something I have no clue of.

  5. Thinkpack17 08/21/2009 at 4:06 PM #

    ^^True.

    I mean Duke is one of the best programs in the country and didn’t they just slide in Nate James as the S&C coach? If you are a good S&C coach you make sure everyone is there for their morning workouts and you make sure that guys aren’t always doing chest and biceps trying to get beach muscles. If you can get non-football players to power clean and squat, you just got yourself an extension.

  6. choppack1 08/21/2009 at 4:21 PM #

    I will agree w/ the general principal, that in basketball it’s not as important as in football, track and field, and other sports.

    You bring up Coach K hiring Nate James for this position. When your Coach K you can do this. You’ve got 3 national championships – this proves you know what you are doing. Of course, if he continues his downward spiral, you can bet it will also be used as an example of how he’s become lazy/too closed-minded in his hires. (I don’t think the duo of Collins and Wojo have proven their meddle yet either.)

    This hire won’t make or break Sidney. But it does show what he thinks and what he values. Did he hire the best possible person to do this job – or did he just find someone he thinks is a good fit?

  7. howlie 08/21/2009 at 4:31 PM #

    I’m sorry, but it seems EVERY S&C hire for the last 20 years has been suspect–either the husband of a Carolina doper doing time; giving up her Olympic medal; and asking for clemency from Bushey–or some trainer who just can’t understand the ‘umpteenth’ multiple blown knee, ankle, and every torn muscles know to sports?
    All we’ve seen are MULTIPLE multiples of horrific, season and career-ending injuries to the most critical athletes.

    No doubt things are ‘different’ than 20 years ago in S&C, but… aren’t we overdo for SOMETHING different?

    Can’t we wait a year or two before we piss on the hire–and look for results? Just wondering…

  8. ryebread 08/21/2009 at 4:47 PM #

    Hmm… I guess I’m in the minority, but I actually think that having a good S&C guy is extremely important. I think if players are being conditioned entirely via practice, then we’re in massive trouble. Having a good baseline fitness level is the key, and the practice is the gravy.

    The coaching staff has very limited time with the players. That time needs to be spent teaching the players the fundamentals, the system, game planning for an opponent and doing situational instruction. If we have to spend that precious time with running and other conditioning drills, then we’re not focused on the right thing.

    I’ve felt for some time that our S&C program has been lacking in basketball. I never thought that the perennial rash of injuries that we had during the HWSNBN era was due to wearing Addidases. I always thought it was due to gaps in our conditioning program.

    When I compared the bodies of HWSNBN and now SL coached players with the bodies the players for Duke, UNC, Clemson, UCONN, Michigan State, etc., it was obvious we weren’t doing something right there. It’d be one thing if kids from those schools all came in as ripped monsters and ours came in as bean poles. Our kids came in about the same way as those kids did — ours just didn’t turn into the ripped bodies by the time they were seniors. It happened far too consistently for me to chalk up to coincidence or a lack of player desire. I can only think of a handful of players in the HWSNBN/SL era who have looked as physically formidable by their last season at NC State as their opponents of the same age (Grant, Powell, Simmons and maybe Thronton).

    The fact that we had the same S&C coach through those eras was something that I didn’t know. There’s some consistency there across both coaching staffs and that’s a serious red flag. It was time for a change.

    Now, as for whether this is the change that the doctor ordered, I really have no clue. I thinks the fact that the new S&C coach is focused on cardio will help us in games — particularly down the stretch. Basketball is a mobile game and being able to play hard for 40 minutes for the full length of the court is a massive advantage.

    At the same time, is this guy any good? I have no clue at all. Time will tell I guess.

  9. legacyman 08/21/2009 at 5:38 PM #

    I know we aspire to return to the days when we were competitive or, at times, even ahead of unc-ch and certainly dook. The fact is that we have not been able to sign the types of athletes that those two schools are signing for the last fifteen or so years. I do think that tide is changing and so has the S&C coach. I don’t know the man but I trust Sidney to choose a person who will help us on this mission.

  10. Wufpacker 08/21/2009 at 8:03 PM #

    I can see the logic of most of the points here, and I believe its probably a combination of all of them.

    Yes, in general, true conditioning is probably more important for basketball than sheer strengh, although there are (possible) exceptions. For the smaller positions (1’s, 2’s and probably 3’s) conditioning (good cardio fitness) is probably much more important than sheer strenght.

    But, if you’re talking about big men (maybe 3’s, definitely 4’s and 5’s) then conditioning is still very important, because they have to move up and down the court just like any other player, but strength also is very important, maybe just as important, in order to battle for position in the paint and under the boards.

    Its these guys (the 4’s and 5’s, and probably some 3’s) that I’d like to see develop physically over their careers (as Ryebread describes above) and become more muscular and cut (a la Lorenzo Charles), but not necessarily extremely bulked up. That extra strength/mass is invaluable for a big man going up against opponents, who are also getting bigger and bigger.

    Being knowledgeable enough to realize that there is a need for players to have somewhat personalized programs to suit their specific needs, having the education/experience to be able to effectively develop these specific programs, and being able to impress upon the player how best to use this program, are the MINIMUM requirement the S&C coach should have.

    The ability to motivate players to work hard at their respective programs is a plus also. But, assuming the coaches can motivate (big assumption, I know), then the S&C coach might not need to have as much motivational skill.

    But if the new S&C hire can do these things then I have no problem with the hire at all. If he can’t, then its just one more straw that the now-exhausted camel is being asked to carry.

  11. NCSUPackfan 08/21/2009 at 8:43 PM #

    I have decided to pipe i my two cents to this little forum. I was a varsity athlete at NC State and worked under Coach Wright. I am also a high school basketball coach.

    As a strength coach Coach Wright was great. He did give different programs for different people. He made it specific for your goals and what you needed to get out of it. His style was not to scream at you, his thought was if you dont want to be here..Go HOME!!!

    Someone wrote earlier about motivation….I do not feel it should be Coach Wright that needs to motivate players to get in the weightroom. These players are given full rides and our support is given to them year in & year out. They should be motivated to win. They should be motivated by the fan support that is given to them. Their rear-ends should be in the gym at 6:00am because they want to win, not because there is some S&C coach telling them.
    I am not at Sid’s practices but I do know so much of what happens from April to October is the players responsibility. That is where good players become great. CJ has done that, I have heard Julius has busted his tail.

    Did our team actually have a leader this year? Costner…NO Fells…maybe, Those NCAA runs with Herb we had leaders..Hodge, Evtimov, Atsur. Rivers was great..but he was a leader. Wilson is a leader and the team follws. Who has been our leader before Wilson? I can tell you from a coach’s point of view how important a great team leader is. Without it…..it will always be a rough season. ALWAYS!!!

  12. 61Packer 08/21/2009 at 11:54 PM #

    If Sidney Lowe had hired Barry Bonds’ personal trainer, Greg Anderson, he still couldn’t juice up this Wolfpack basketball program as long as Lowe and his present coaching staff remain in place. With them, it’s going to be another voyage to the bottom of the ACC this coming season, the next, and the next.

    Our basketball program has been adrift now for two decades. Do North Carolina State University officials think we’re really back in 1983 whenever they see the “red blazer” on the sidelines against UNC and Duke, or at the annual ACC Tournament?

    This kind of decades-long delusion would never have persisted at ANY school that had aspirations of achievement, especially the other Big Four ACC schools, who have all won multiple ACC basketball championships since the late 1980s, while we’ve won zilch. Once the pride of the Big Four under Everett Case, the Wolfpack is now not only the doormat of the Big Four, but is also the doormat of the entire dozen-member conference.

    When I bought into the first season of Lifetime Rights seating, I did it for the 2 basketball seats in the ESA moreso than the 4 football seats in Carter-Finley. In today’s mail, my application for 2009-2010 basketball tickets arrived, with the appropriately-titled brochure, “on the Rise”. What other direction could there possibly be?

  13. Wulfpack 08/22/2009 at 8:23 AM #

    Those pulling the “I trust Lowe”, “I’m choosing to put my faifh in Lowe”, “Lowe knows exactly what he is doing”, “Lowe has forgotten more about basketball than most of us know” defenses refuse to use objective analysis or any other sort of benchmark to judge the program. It’s all about “feeling”, or perhaps a “blind faith”.

    More power to you.

  14. travelwolf 08/22/2009 at 12:20 PM #

    it sure would have been great to hear that he’s used his connections to the NBA to hire a trainer – that would give me more confidence.

    NCSUPackfan – I appreciate you describing your background, it gives your statement a lot more credence than mine (who has no background).

  15. Afterglow 08/22/2009 at 1:23 PM #

    Wulfpack-remaining positive about a situation when there is no other choice is how I look at it. I want the basketball team to be successful. I suppose that at the start of the year you have three (possibly) four choices: you can take what you got and hope it works out or turns a corner, boycott watching the season all together or, (if dissatisfied with the on court product) voice your concerns and hope it get’s heard. Me? I guess I sort of flow with the fourth choice, take what you got for now and hope it works or turns a corner and then… if it doesn’t, voice concerns and hope it gets heard.

  16. old13 08/22/2009 at 4:57 PM #

    ^ It’s been “heard” for years, Afterglow, but NEVER acted upon!

  17. Afterglow 08/22/2009 at 6:09 PM #

    I suppose that’s true.

  18. Texpack 08/24/2009 at 10:56 AM #

    The fact that the guy coached in 1983 shouldn’t be a negative or a positive. It’s a question of how much this guy has kept up with the field. I run marathons and I read and hear all kinds of screwball theories on diet, workout timing and intensity, and recovery. (This is also the reason I have such a low tolerance for poorly conditioned athletes) Physical training of any kind is a very individual thing. Rarely will a cookie cutter approach help an entire team. This is very much a wait and see situation for me.

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