The Day After (Updated 9:40am)

Huge day yesterday. statusquOblinger’s resignation became SFN’s fourth most viewed story of the entire month in a single day. The worst thing about the yesterday’s traffic to the site is that WV Wolf’s fantastic “State of Football” piece got a little overshadowed.

As usual, our community shared some fantastic comments that are much appreciated.

Charlotte Obs headline Oblinger

Link to lead story in Raleigh & Charlotte Observers.

Correct me if I am interpreting this incorrectly – but am I analyzing this correctly that Oblinger gets a six month PAID vacation at his current high salary rate and then gets to return to the University at a lower rate – but still one that most people would love to have – for the responsibility of teaching one class per semester?

He gets to return to the University where he can then play roles on the Faculty Senate and influence decisions with a faculty which STILL has not publicly censured him after they censured and ran off the likes of Chancellor Fox, Jim Valvano, and others for what far less transgressions? (Could you imagine if Valvano had ever been caught lying and had NOT been cleared of any wrong doing after six diffferent agencies and organizations investigated his program?)

I am obviously not the only person who thinks this way. The following is gleaned from a comment yesterday by ‘sweet jumper’:

I find it ironic that V was forced to resign by the “holier than thou” administration over rumors and heresay, and the NCAA found no evidence of activity to warrant probation. Now the corruptness of the administration is coming to light and the trail leads all the way to the governor’s office. The dominoes are falling and it sounds like the FBI is going to find a lot more wrongdoing in academia than the NCAA discovered in hoops 20 years ago.

I cannot help but support the thoughts of a poster named ‘weejuns’ on Pack Pride’s message boards when he says:

The Alumni Association ought to take a firm stand against this mess and call for the firing of Nielson and Oblinger with no tenure benefits. The likelihood that tenure will be stripped is remote, but the public stand ought to be taken that it is not OK with NC State Alumni that such actions are ok. Being silent in this case is the equivalence of condoning it.

Let me tell you what is REALLY going on here – GREED and GAMING the system.

You see, retirement benefits of state government jobs are set differently than the benefits that those of us in the real world have. For example, an employee’s annual pension is set on a formula based on a certain number of years of that employee’s highest pay.

For example, when a state employee retires they get an annual payment of some percentage of their four highest years of compensation. It is NOT the last four years of service or some kind of average of the entirety of service. So, it is in the self interest of these cronies to be able to bring in as much compensation as they can for a certain amount of years at any point in their career. This is one of the reasons that the world of academia is one of the only industries where former leaders can/will remain employed in lesser roles with lesser compensation. They can ride off and build more ‘years of service’ for other various retirement benefits while sitting idly by with tenure and in a world of no demands.

So, when all of these folks – Oblinger, Nielsen, Easley – are angling for more and more money, even for short amounts of time, the impact of that compensation is not only felt by the taxpayers today but also translates into higher retirement benefits for every year of their life after retirement. Courtesy of the North Carolina tax payer.

Link to “NC State feels leadership vacuum”. Obviously I don’t argue the premise – except for the Marye Ann Fox years, NC State has felt a leadership vaccuum since the 1980s.

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79 Responses to The Day After (Updated 9:40am)

  1. highstick 06/09/2009 at 9:44 PM #

    I’ve had a couple of sessions with the State SBI over the past year and if I understand the current law, fraudulent activities exceeding $100,000 gets you 5 years in jail w/o exception.

    Defining fraud is going to be the issue though.

  2. choppack1 06/09/2009 at 10:39 PM #

    Yea, I think the sad part is that a lot of people who stink at their job will still be allowed to stink at it.

    As others have hinted, I just don’t see the burning desire to make NC State No. 1 in all things. I think the university’s outlook is very similar to Lee’s – “anywhere in the upper half is good.”

  3. choppack1 06/09/2009 at 10:50 PM #

    I guess what worries me most is that somehow we lose TOB in this mess, but keep Lee and Stafford.

  4. wolfwarrior 06/09/2009 at 10:56 PM #

    When I mentioned earlier “what is J. Hunt up to these days?”, I was not implying that JH should be our next Chancellor nor that he should not be the next Chancellor, but just simply his name came to me from pure intuitive thought. I have no ax to grind for either political party.

    This well (story) seems very deep. Will we (the common folks/loyal alumni) ever know the rest of this story (the whole truth)? I hope and pray that we discover and place the next Chancellor to be of similar vein like that of the visionary, moral and ethical leadership of former (deceased) Chancellor John T. Caldwell. Was J. Caldwell as good as I think that he was?

    Is this JV’s karma reaping justice onto the NC State Admin? The universal law: “As ye sow, so shall ye reap” comes to mind.

  5. teeboy 06/09/2009 at 11:31 PM #

    Most likely, Oblinger and Nielsen participate in the Optional Retirement Plan offered to senior administrators and faculty at UNC System institutions (http://www7.acs.ncsu.edu/hr/benefits/orp.asp). Retirement benefits are based on accumulated savings (interest, etc) and have NOTHING to do with length of service or highest 48 months of salary.

  6. NCSU88 06/10/2009 at 12:30 AM #

    Got these two messages from the Alumni Association. Fourth para of first message made me laugh.

    Alumni Association message, June 8, 2009

    As executive director of the NC State Alumni Association, I’m saddened to report to our members a series of circumstances that has led to the chancellor’s resignation.

    James L. Oblinger has resigned as NC State’s 13th chancellor, effective immediately. His departure follows the resignations of McQueen Campbell, chair of the NC State Board of Trustees, on May 15 and Larry Nielsen, provost, on May 22.

    The resignations of NC State’s top administrative officers and board chairman stem from investigations into the hiring and compensation of Mary Easley, former N.C. first lady. The NC State Board of Trustees called a special meeting today and voted to terminate Easley as executive in residence in the Provost’s Office.

    These developments have stunned us all. My staff and I have received messages and calls from concerned alumni and, like you, we’ve followed the developments as they’ve been disclosed.

    This is a sad day and many of us are disappointed. I don’t know more than what I’ve read in the newspapers, but what I do know is this: NC State deserves our continued support and loyalty as alumni.

    We have 32,000 students who worked hard to be here—and are working even harder to earn a degree that carries value throughout the world. We have more than 6,000 faculty and staff who are committed to offering the best in education, research and outreach.

    I believe NC State can turn this dark day into an opportunity for change and renewal. We need to offer our support to Interim Chancellor Jim Woodward and to NC State’s deans as we choose new leaders who will direct the course of our future. Woodward, an aeronautical and mechanical engineer who taught at NC State early in his career, is chancellor emeritus of UNC-Charlotte. Check our blog, redandwhiteforelife.com, for more information about him tomorrow.

    Because of its mission as a land-grant institution and its commitment to educating the leaders of tomorrow, NC State will continue to set the pace for higher education in this state and beyond.

    Sincerely,

    Lennie Barton ’77, ’81 MS, ’87 DED
    Executive Director

    Alumni Association message, June 9, 2009

    As a member of the Alumni Association, you have a special connection to your alma mater. That’s why I’m contacting you to help NC State turn the tide of negative publicity surrounding the resignations of its leadership. You can do this in your daily conversations. It might not seem like enough, but collectively, our conversations can make an impact on the way people perceive NC State and how quickly we recover from this crisis. To get you started, I’ve posted recent university accomplishments on the Alumni Association website.

    Chancellors, provosts—even alumni directors—come and go over the years. But the one constant in the life of NC State University is its community of alumni and students. We share a bond built on our unique experiences and traditions. Let’s use this bond to rally behind NC State as it recovers from these events and refocuses on its priorities of education and innovation.

    NC State has an interim chancellor on the job today. Jim Woodward, chancellor emeritus of UNC-Charlotte, is an aeronautical and mechanical engineer who taught at NC State early in his career. You can read about him on our blog, http://www.redandwhiteforlife.com.

    Sincerely,

    Lennie Barton ’77, ’81 MS, ’87 DED
    Executive Director

  7. Oldwolf 06/10/2009 at 7:50 AM #

    I responded back to the Alumni Association that I thought that their stance should be stronger and they should take a stand against the “golden parachutes” being given to these people when everyone else is facing layoffs and extreme budget cuts.

    I have not heard back yet.

  8. wolfbuff 06/10/2009 at 8:33 AM #

    I got the same letter from the Alumni Association. Here was my response:

    I have been disappointed for a while with the university’s leadership – both the chancellor and BOT – and its sinking academic reputation and athletic performance. It first started when Jim Valvano was run out of town on a rail. When Mary Anne Fox came in and tried to shake things up, I was encouraged and excited only to be let down when she was censured by the holier-than-thou faculty and their sense of entitlement and status quo, and ultimately run out of town on a rail. NC State cemented my disappointment and disillusionment further by running a national search, only to settle on a lifelong internal bureaucrat.

    The latest news only confirms everything that I had believed before – that the leadership of the University, BOT, and BOG is corrupt. And despite the truth, saintly praises have been heaped on everyone who has resigned or been fired lately, illegal severance packages have been doled out, and many of them get to keep their jobs at the University. So forgive me if I am thoroughly disgusted, but also completely unwilling to give any money to keep this corrupt system in place.

    What would it take to get me to be proud of this University again and give willingly? It starts with the Alumni Association taking a stand against the corruption and against the continued system of entitlement and good-ol-boy-ism. Make a stand to fire both Oblinger and Nielsen, any department head implicit in this mess, and any faculty egghead who continues to defend or praise them publicly. Second, conduct a true nationwide search for replacements of both the provost and chancellor positions. And bring someone in from the outside, someone who is a visionary, who can get the alumni energized, and who demands and delivers accountability and results. Third, publicly end cronyism by getting rid of some department heads who aren’t delivering results and again going outside to bring in someone new. Start with the Athletic Director (see my final point). Fourth, revamp the Board of Trustees. I know these are Governor appointees. But until we have a true set of Trustees who oversee and are not “in bed” with the University leadership, we’ll go right back to where we are today, assuming we ever get out. Finally, demand excellence in athletic performance. NC State is last in the ACC in the Sears Cup standings and has been mired in mediocrity for over 20 years. We have the facilities, we have the money, and we have a knowledgeable, rabid fan base. There is no excuse for NC State not to be leading the state of North Carolina and the ACC in athletic performance.

    When NC State has met all my criteria, I will give to the Alumni Association.

  9. Noah 06/10/2009 at 9:05 AM #

    It first started when Jim Valvano was run out of town on a rail.

    It started earlier than that. That was just a symptom of the disease presenting itself.

  10. GAWolf 06/10/2009 at 9:08 AM #

    Forgive me if I’ve misinterpreted your prior stance on certain issues, Noah, but wasn’t it you that adamantly supported the ousting of Jim Valvano on this site?

    As to Jimmy V, maybe… just maybe… this shake up could be what finally breaks The Curse. And there’s no doubt in my mind it’s very, very real. This is a seance-like scandal news of which could potentially reach beyond the grave.

  11. old13 06/10/2009 at 9:37 AM #

    wolfbuff, I sent an email to the AA similar to yours, copying Dr. Woodward and Bowles. Hopefully more will do so.

  12. Astral Rain 06/10/2009 at 9:38 AM #

    I wouldn’t worry about losing TOB

    a) Where is he going to go when he’s going to retire in 5 years.

    b) It’s not in his nature to step down when his home has been kicked in the teeth- he’ll build things back up, that’s his way.

    c) He might have something special going on here.

    As for Fowler- he’s limited in the damage he can do right now- so he’s the least of the concerns.

    Honestly- as much dead wood as we can clean out using this as an excuse, the better.

  13. bradleyb123 06/10/2009 at 9:50 AM #

    ^ “I know some brothers would be getting arrested right now if they tried to get too much money from whitey.” — barnburn

    barnburn, I’m not sure where THAT came from?!??

    Someone mentioned (suggested) something about somehow losing TOB over this. While I don’t think that’s even a possibility, does anyone “in the know” have any thoughts? Is there ANY chance, however remote, that this could somehow affect TOB’s job?

    The only thing I could see is he decides he doesn’t want to be associated with this rat’s nest and leaves on his own. Hopefully that thought won’t even cross his mind.

  14. BJD95 06/10/2009 at 10:09 AM #

    The last few months have just reinforced what I’ve felt for many months – the next 3-5 years of Tom O’Brien is all we’ve got. Otherwise, NC State is in shambles, both athletically and as an academic institution.

    As someone who has invested in NC State since right after graduation, I feel like those poor saps who sunk money into Bernie Madoff’s various schemes.

  15. PackMan97 06/10/2009 at 10:22 AM #

    http://www.newsobserver.com/2972/story/1562962.html

    UNC-system President Erskine Bowles on Tuesday defended plans to keep former Chancellor James Oblinger and former Provost Larry Nielsen on the faculty at N.C. State University.

    Bowles said both hold tenure and have rights to return from their administrative jobs back to their six-figure faculty positions.

  16. old13 06/10/2009 at 10:30 AM #

    ^ Ludicrous! I guess character has no place in the administration of the UNC System and its constiruent universities!

  17. BJD95 06/10/2009 at 10:35 AM #

    I’m actually fine with letting Nielsen go back to teaching (he seems more like a pawn in all of this), just not the 6-months no-work pay at Provost salary. Oblinger lied to his boss and in the newspaper, and should be fired for cause. Period.

  18. PackMan97 06/10/2009 at 10:38 AM #

    ^ BJD, Nielsen is getting 6-months no-work pay…and his salary steps down over the next THREE years. It will be some time before he has to deal with his measly $150k teaching salary.

  19. packalum44 06/10/2009 at 11:07 AM #

    NC State spends over $100 million dollars per year. I personally don’t care about a few hundred thousand dollars. What I do care about is damage control and finding the best leadership available. All these guys did was give the First Lady a job that she was qualified for and subsequently gave her an abnormally large raise which were both approved by the UNC Board. It raised NC State’s perception and profile to have her on our faculty. Has your boss never given you a raise or supported you during your annual review because they like you? Of course its not fair but geese, that’s the first lesson of life….its not fair. Think the school down the street was bitching when John Edwards got a job? Think he had to interview like everyone else?

    I agree with the Alumni Association. We need to support our school during this and control the wildfire instead of helping to fan it. No wonder our sister schools scoff at us and our perception is so negative. Some of our own alumni make it sound like they graduated from a community college. NC State is a fine institution and I’ll publicly support it like I do family, right or wrong, while I try to improve it internally.

  20. BJD95 06/10/2009 at 11:14 AM #

    ^^ 97 – I know, that part I’m not OK with. He should take his professor salary immediately, be thankful for it, and get ready for teaching starting this fall.

    The symbolism is important, even if the overall amount is a small fraction of the university budget.

    And the first step in recovery is admitting that you has a problem. NC State has a huge one, and there’s no sweeping it under the rug.

  21. Noah 06/10/2009 at 11:16 AM #

    Forgive me if I’ve misinterpreted your prior stance on certain issues, Noah, but wasn’t it you that adamantly supported the ousting of Jim Valvano on this site?

    Once we started down that road, it was inevitable.

  22. GAWolf 06/10/2009 at 11:20 AM #

    Alum44: There’s certainly a great deal of opportunity found in adversity. I thoroughly support the school’s efforts to take advantage of that opportunity. That seems to be the pitch of the interim Chancellor. We shall see how life goes on from here… Having displeasure with an entity you’re associated with is natural. It’s not evil. All of us who hold a degree from N.C. State have a personal interest in seeing our University come out of this stronger than before.

    I agree with the core of your statement. Truthfully, I think everyone else here does as well.

  23. GAWolf 06/10/2009 at 11:23 AM #

    Noah: So despite your support for the ultimate move to cut ties with V, you wish the school never opted to “go down that road” in the first place? Just trying to get an idea where you stand. I’m not going to argue one side of that or the other… truthfully while I’m educated more than most in how all that went down, I’m still not aware of all the facts enough to adamantly have an opinion.

    What about reconnecting with the V Foundation. I do whole-heartedly support the University’s effort to “kiss and make up” with V’s family and join in the effort to further V’s dying cause and wishes. We owe him that at least. Failure to do so has infuriated me for years.

  24. bleedingred08 06/10/2009 at 11:42 AM #

    so does all this mean that Oblinger is Not going to get a house on Centennial Campus

  25. 61Packer 06/10/2009 at 12:31 PM #

    “NC State spends over $100 million per year. I personally don’t care about a few hundred thousand dollars.”

    I damn sure do.

    My late aunt, who grew up during the Great Depression, always reminded me that if I counted my pennies, the dollars would take care of themselves. Sound economic advice.

    North Carolina state government and specifically the UNC system is being led by those who are more concerned with taking care of each other than they are with taking care of the taxpayers’ pennies.

    And as long as there are bureaucrats who defend this “good ole boy” system, as they are now defending the ex-chancellor and ex-provost’s right to be paid outrageous salaries while “transitioning” to another job, this problem is not going to go away. People have already been let go at NC State due to the budget woes, and more will likely lose their jobs.

    But until integrity is restored to the UNC system, you won’t see any of the names you’ve seen in the news lately among those who will be made jobless by a bureaucratic system that looks after its own, then whines when fingers point in their direction.

    Only when we get off our duffs and start voting again in numbers that far exceed 10% of the registered voters will anything ever change. You can bet on it. Like I keep saying, the hogs are dug in deep at the public trough, and they ain’t budging, not until we as citizens become fed up enough to go and vote ’em out.

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