University Asks Student To Take Down Facebook Group “John Wall PLEASE Come to State”

NC State’s Director of Compliance asked a student Thursday to shutter his ‘John Wall to State’ group on Facebook.  Michelle Lee, the Interim AD for Compliance, feared that the appeal violated NCAA recruiting rule 13.02.13:

ncaa-13-02-13From the front page of today’s News & Observer:

Thursday morning, N.C. State asked Taylor Moseley, a freshman, to shut down “John Wall PLEASE come to NC STATE!!!”, a Facebook group that drew more than 700 members. By Thursday night, it was gone. Moseley started a new group — “Bring a National Title back to NC STATE!” — that makes no mention of Wall but includes a photograph of the senior at Raleigh Word of God, who is widely considered the nation’s best point guard prospect.

Moseley quickly co-operated, according to the paper.

A quick search by SFN found that there are other schools with such Facebook groups: Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Louisville, Baylor and two for Memphis.  Furthermore, there are literally hundreds of entries on blogs, message boards and other forms of Internet communities that have some variant of “John Wall Please Come to XYZ!”

Apparently, NC State chose to take the high and the conservative road, which is probably a good thing considering the brouhaha surrounding Wall at the moment. You can bet that rules are being bent to their cracking point over this high level but commit-phobic young man, and NCSU wants to avoid any appearance at all of breaking the rules.

On the other hand, the young man has his First Amendment right to free speech and as a student apparently not associated with the athletic program, it’s difficult to make a strong case for him being a representative of the school’s academic interests. If that were the case, every fan who cheered Wall in the various college arenas he’s visited on his national tour over the last year would be guilty of violating the NCAA rule. That’s ludicrous on the surface and the cease-and-desist order from State to Moseley probably is as well.

If you would like to look at a good overview of NCAA Recruiting Rules, go here.

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46 Responses to University Asks Student To Take Down Facebook Group “John Wall PLEASE Come to State”

  1. ryno84 04/10/2009 at 6:20 PM #

    Seems like more of the same from NC State. My freshman year(’02) was the last time you could ever rush the Carter Finley field without getting arrested. I watched students getting fire-hosed with pepper spray after the FSU game, granted they were trying to take the goalposts out of the stadium. This is the same University that also gave some students underage drinking tickets from facebook photos. This institution is one of those entities that is all about following rules, not getting the job done. Apparently its ok for everyone else to get the job done except NC State.

  2. TomPack 04/10/2009 at 6:51 PM #

    OK Let’s see if I have this right…a student putting up a facebook page pushing for a top recruit to come to NCSU is bad…a school hiring a basketball player’s mother after he decides to stay for his senior year is ok. That sounds about right for today’s NCAA in how they go after schools. Remember the “gold standard schools” that fill the NCAA coffers (UNC, USC, Notre Dame) will never, ever get tagged with anything major. Schools that have crossed the NCAA in the past or don’t make them enough money will get slammed instead.

  3. Cardiac95 04/10/2009 at 9:00 PM #

    You guys are missing the silver lining here… Someone in our Athletics Dept actually knows what Facebook IS!!!

    That’s a lot of progress from the days of the “internets”…

  4. JeremyH 04/11/2009 at 1:26 AM #

    TomPack, let’s face it, our administration is playing a different game than we would like them to play. Unfortunately for us, the outcome is such that they personally gain and the alumni lose. Perhaps it was the chosen game because they had long given up on the other one that everyone else is playing.

  5. redfred2 04/11/2009 at 9:33 AM #

    I could to go off on a tangent here, but that might not be a very good idea for redfred right now. 🙂

    From my viewpoint anyway, it’s not only NC State’s administration who is guilty this sort of thing, instead, there are MANY fans who uphold the same ideals and believe that proper outward appearances are THE GOAL to be maintained at all costs, no matter if NC State gives up all of it’s own innate advantages and rights in order to do so. I could share MANY instances where this sort of things applies to NC State fans, but I’ll forego that and keep my comments brief.

  6. Wolf Dog 04/11/2009 at 9:52 AM #

    Just thinking. If a student cannot comment in a public forum on a potential recruit, then how can a UNC graduate/alum/rams club member write a newspaper article about a potential recruit and his UNC recruitment?

    Would not a newspaper be obligated to follow NCAA rules and ban UNC grads from writing articles on recruits and UNC?

  7. wufpup76 04/11/2009 at 10:01 AM #

    I missed this yesterday, but Gary Parrish of cbssports .com picked this one up …

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/11616544

  8. wufpup76 04/11/2009 at 10:07 AM #

    Wolf Dog, that is God’s University. Whatever they do is ok.

    We should all just have a Coke and a smile per Moses … err, I mean Roy Williams.

  9. redfred2 04/11/2009 at 10:20 AM #

    Wolf Dog, that is something to ponder over for sure!!!

    I guess it’s perfectly fine for the well-compensated, talking heads in “the established media” to have, and openly promote their own bias. But not if it’s an amateur, out there just doing something on his own free time, and just because he loves something, then that is nothing but BAD according to the NCAA.

    They just aren’t going to allow ANYTHING about college athletics to even pretend to be about the pure love of it all.

  10. JeremyH 04/11/2009 at 1:05 PM #

    so the rabbit hole goes deeper, as we why we can never compete with UNC (God on their side? talk about a stacked deck!)

  11. ktoh 04/11/2009 at 1:11 PM #

    Wall is not coming here ,we still have Sid . Nothing changes, coaches availible, and hired. So 10th,11th or 12th next year take a pick.Team down the road wins another title and move move further away from it all.

  12. Noah 04/11/2009 at 1:14 PM #

    Just thinking. If a student cannot comment in a public forum on a potential recruit, then how can a UNC graduate/alum/rams club member write a newspaper article about a potential recruit and his UNC recruitment?

    Would not a newspaper be obligated to follow NCAA rules and ban UNC grads from writing articles on recruits and UNC?

    Clearly, you didn’t read what the NCAA or the NCSU compliance officer said. You might want to try doing that sometime.

  13. Wolf Dog 04/11/2009 at 1:55 PM #

    Noah “You should try reading that sometime.”

    Ignorance is bliss. I was referrring to the cease and desist demand from NCSU in regards to the NCAA Bylaw from above. The Bylaw is posted on this blog, Noah? duh? I guess the thinking part tripped you up.

    If a newspaper writer is a UNC alum and Rams Club member and writes an article that appears in print and online “promoting” the fact that UNC is pursing Wall as a recruit. Is he not a qualified Rep under NCAA Bylaw 13.02.13 since he is a booster club member also an alum and should abide by NCAA regulations same as the NCSU student? They appear to be one and the same under the rules.

    The NCSU official issued a cease and desist order to the student. Maybe we could issue cease and desist orders to UNC alum beat writers and copy the NCAA.

  14. redfred2 04/11/2009 at 2:45 PM #

    Wolf Dog, if something like this is done quickly enough, if the NC State administration overreacts to the max in order to give off the APPEARANCE that NC State is MORE NOBLE than all other universities, and that NC State is more than ready to stand in FULL COMPLIANCE of any and all laws on the books, no matter how one-sided and ridiculous those laws may be, then you’ll have certain “fans” on this site who are always going to protest when you call BS on the whole thing.

  15. redfred2 04/11/2009 at 4:04 PM #

    All I can say Wolf Dog, is that your angle on this particular topic, is THE ANGLE that clearly points out THE UNMISTAKABLE LOOPHOLE.

  16. PackerInRussia 04/11/2009 at 5:15 PM #

    After reading the articles (including the one linked to in the comments), I have mixed feelings. Apparently from the articles, the NCAA contacted NC State and then NC State then reacted. I don’t really blame them for that. Perhaps they handled it wrongly, but it’s probably not worth risking ignoring the NCAA since you never know when they may actually enforce something (with our luck it’d be on us). My question is, did the NCAA contact these other schools whose students have similar pages on Facebook? If so, are they really going to follow through? If not, is NC State going to make a fuss to ask why the other schools are allowed to do this? If NC State simply moves on without at least making a stink if there is not fair enforcement, then I will have a bigger problem with it. Oh, and I liked the quote from the CBS article: “[NCAA spokesman Erik Christianson] said the NCAA is keeping up with technology, noting new rules on text-messaging from coaches.” Way to keep up with the times. I guess they decided that the old rules regulating coaches’ sending of telegrams needed updating.

  17. redfred2 04/12/2009 at 12:31 PM #

    I was sitting among some unc fans last evening, listening to them go on and on, admittedly rightfully so, but I was also thinking about the topic of this thread at that same time. I typed out something later on last night, but today is Easter, and all of that mess can wait.

    Happy Easter everyone!

  18. GAWolf 04/12/2009 at 5:39 PM #

    The funny thing about this whole ridiculous fiasco is that the attention the page has drawn as a result of the NCAA request is much more effective than the Facebook page itself.

  19. highstick 04/12/2009 at 6:28 PM #

    It’s ok for Tarholia to say they are recruiting Wall in the Charlotte Observer, but not ok for NC State to say they “want him” on Facebook?

    Why? Tarholia doesn’t need Facebook, they have their media scumbags to do it for them!

    NCAA? What does that stand for the National Collegiate A..h.le Association?

  20. Techno_Wolfpacker 04/27/2009 at 8:10 PM #

    New recruit!!!

    Jordan Vandenberg 7-0/230 Australia

    http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/a.z?s=178&p=9&cfg=bb&c=4&yr=2009

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