Brown Turning Heads at Senior Bowl Practices

pack_in_the_nflLooks like Andre Brown is starting to get noticed in the run-up to the Senior Bowl:

Wednesday Practice Notes: Brown had a very solid afternoon.  He ran well inside the tackles, hitting the holes with authority.  Also showed good speed getting to the edge and picking up some yardage outside the hash marks.

As for Anthony Hill

Caught the ball well again today in both receiving drills and scrimmage work.  Handled his man more often than not in 1-on-1 pass blocking drills with the linebackers.

ESPN.com’s Todd McShay is a lot more effusive in his praise of Brown, saying that

North Carolina State RB Andre Brown has admittedly had durability and academic issues, but he’s healthy now and shining in this environment. In fact, of all the South backs we saw Wednesday, he made the best impression. Brown is a decisive downhill runner who has good size, shows good burst to the hole and runs with enough forward body lean to pick up yards after contact. Although he’s not the most elusive back, he catches the ball well and can contribute as a receiver out of the backfield. We now think he has a chance to come off the board early on Day 2 of the draft, and that’s noteworthy because he didn’t put up great numbers in college.

Bringing up Brown’s stats is interesting for several reasons: first, he never had a decent line to run behind until this year, and this year’s OL group is hardly one of Tom O’Brien’s vintage groups. TOB and staff are still building their OL factory and it is far from complete. Secondly, Brown has always shared duties in the backfield, first with Toney Baker, and later with Jamelle Eugene. Finally, Brown needed some good coaching, which he got over the past couple of seasons. Early in his career, it would be fair to say that Brown was more interested in bouncing off the line and free-lancing than he was in getting the three or four tough yards. While he hit a number of spectacular home runs, he certainly was not a posession back in the classical sense. Dana Bible and his offensive staff turned Brown’s compass to N-S and probably made him into a legit pro prospect. For Brown, it’s too bad that didn’t happen his freshman year. In short, I wouldn’t look to closely at his final stat page as being representative of the true sum of his abilities.

My personal prediction for Andre Brown is that he will be the sort of back that doesn’t get noticed in the draft but after a couple of years when he gets used to playing in the NFL, he’s going to have a lot of GM’s scratching their heads and wondering why they didn’t draft him when they had the chance.  While Brown is not a sure thing, he’s a tough, versatile runner and one who can not only deliver a blow, but also one who is probably not going to be taken down by the first guy that hits him.  If (and it is a big if) Dre stays healthy, and gets on the right team, I think we will certainly be hearing his name in the highlights most weeks.

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63 Responses to Brown Turning Heads at Senior Bowl Practices

  1. BJD95 01/22/2009 at 7:55 PM #

    I also thank God that Nate Irving isn’t two inches taller.

  2. choppack1 01/22/2009 at 8:09 PM #

    Has the deadline come and gone for announcing for the NFL?

  3. Noah 01/22/2009 at 8:14 PM #

    Brown will be valuable on ST. I see Hill having value as a training camp player, but I am dubious that he’ll ultimately make a roster.

  4. BJD95 01/22/2009 at 8:56 PM #

    Practice squad, maybe?

  5. TheCOWDOG 01/22/2009 at 9:09 PM #

    Brown is and always will be, if he prospers from here on out, a N/S runner with above ave. hands. Think he will survive the NFL for a few years.

    Hill is unfortunately facing greater obstacles. He’s not big NFL TE wise and not fast as the tweener TE. He has better hands than our critics speak, however.

    Bryan has what I think are skills tailor made or developed for the position. But please everyone, including me…try to refrain from comments regarding “runs good routes.” We don’t know what the playbook calls for. The only good route is a sucessful one when you’re on the field.

    Hell, half of the good routes this year were positive because Wilson made them so. And speaking of receivers running routes…ol’ Butter Fingers is a flat out monster for being there. I flat out think he cannot be covered.

    One good trip to the sports shrink may get him to stardom. Mark my words.

    BTW, Alpha, good entry.

  6. BJD95 01/22/2009 at 9:19 PM #

    Yeah, it was painful to watch sometimes. Spencer could always get open, and seemed to pepetually get in the right spot. Nobody else could.

    He just couldn’t catch the damned ball!

  7. choppack1 01/22/2009 at 9:42 PM #

    Cowdog – I’m with you on butter fingers. He does get open – and he’s gotten open against some pretty good secondaries. I seem to recall #81 had a few drops his sophomore season.

    I’ve got confidence in this staff – they’ve got access to videotape and they know what they are doing. I suspect if he can’t figure it out, he’s got a future in our defensive backfield…that didn’t hurt Devonte too bad.

  8. BSIE80 01/22/2009 at 9:44 PM #

    Noah,
    Ted Brown was an excellent running back.

    A. Brown would be lucky to have the 8 year career Ted Brown had.

  9. TheCOWDOG 01/22/2009 at 9:45 PM #

    And here’s the thing. He came up with the tough catches.

    I posted during the season that he reminded me of an outfielder that scared you half to death on the easy fly ball.

    Spence is an enigma, but they kept chuckin’ to him for good reason.

  10. TheCOWDOG 01/22/2009 at 9:58 PM #

    B..80. You’re right. 8 years on bad wheels for T Brown. Nothing undistinguished about that. Nothing undistinguished about playing in the NFL for 1 year. Bad choice of words, Noah.

  11. SouthernWolf 01/22/2009 at 10:11 PM #

    I think we have already seen ample evidence of Tom O’Brien developing and improving players skill sets and Andre Brown is an example of this. Where is the idea coming from that he is slow? According to scout.com he ran a 4.45 40 in high school. Did he slow down after some of the injuries he sustained during his college career?

    on a side note its Tom O’Brien’s ability to improve and develop recruits that has me excited for the upcoming year. IF we show similar improvement across the board over the off eason that we did over last years offseason then we could really have a special one in ’09

  12. TomPack 01/22/2009 at 10:24 PM #

    Getting drafted high or getting heavy exposure is not as big a deal in the NFL. The scouting system will find you more often than not if you can play…Willie Parker anyone? Of course now that he is a star for the Steelers UNX acts like he was one of the greats in history forgetting he was rarely on the field. After all that might be an admission that they blew it on a player and God knows they are never wrong….

  13. Noah 01/22/2009 at 10:34 PM #

    Ted Brown had one 1,000 yard season. For whatever reason…the Vikings expected more than that.

    It’s not a personal knock on him and he’s one of the greatest runners in ACC history, but he wasn’t a good pro.

  14. Red_Terrors 01/23/2009 at 6:59 AM #

    All I know is that I remember the App St. game a few years back when that DB tried to step up and tackle AB. Andre put his shoulder down and sent that kid flying about 7 yards. I still watch the video of that every now and then and laugh. Too bad I don’t know how to post it here.

  15. haze 01/23/2009 at 8:34 AM #

    TOB’s staff and Brown all deserve credit for what happened this past season. Brown’s running style did a 180deg turn, from dance/bounce/sprit to hit the hole and drive. The 2 OT runs against ECU were things of beauty that would never have happened in previous years. The change seems to have made Andre much more attractive to the NFL but, importantly, it made him much more valuable to NC State. If he stays healthy, he can be a good pro.

    As for Hill, he’s a great blocker but smallish for the NFL, where they’ll gladly put a backup OG at TE for a power formation. If he had hands like Wright or Bryan, he’d be good to go, even w/o premium speed, but he doesn’t. He’s closer to Berton as a player and Berton never quite caught on. It’s going to take exactly the right situation to get him on the field.

  16. ChiefJoJo 01/23/2009 at 9:14 AM #

    “According to scout.com he ran a 4.45 40 in high school. Did he slow down after some of the injuries he sustained during his college career?”

    I recall he ran a rediculous 40 time at the Hargrave combine, but that time was probably bogus. I am convinced he could run in the 4.5 range after a month or two at one of those athletic performance centers. There may be something to the foot injury slowing him down a bit, as he really never got a chance to get completely healthy & conditioned, probably until now. He seemed a 1/2 step faster two years ago.

    I really want to see how he does in the Senior Bowl game, behind a quality OL.

  17. LKNpackfan 01/23/2009 at 9:33 AM #

    That App State DB was All-American safety Corey Lynch, who now plays on Sundays for the Bengals.

  18. packalum44 01/23/2009 at 10:30 AM #

    ^ Red Terror…you might be thinking about Tony Baker and it was against Eastern Kentucky. Tony had busted loose in the secondary with only the strong safety to beat to the endzone. Instead of running around him as he could have, he lowered his shoulder and ran him over like a M-1 Tank mowing down a Chinese student protester in Tienanmen Square. He was a true freshman and is one of the strongest guys on the team, not pound for pound, but literally. I remember Mario Williams and the rest of team go crazy on the sidelines.

  19. Noah 01/23/2009 at 10:51 AM #

    Does anyone remember Rashon Spikes? One of MOC’s more highly-touted recruits? How about Eric Leak? Little bitty WR who who had hands of stone?

    Both of those guys were supposed to be 4.4 guys when they came here. I was at their pro day workout on campus. Spikes ran a 4.8. Leak ran a 4.7.

    40 times and sexual conquests share a similar spot on the truth-meter.

  20. packalum44 01/23/2009 at 10:58 AM #

    I made love to the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders…right after I ran a 4.4 40!!!

  21. McPete 01/23/2009 at 11:13 AM #

    this is the andre brown run against app. state

  22. spanky 01/23/2009 at 11:18 AM #

    This one:

  23. RickJ 01/23/2009 at 11:22 AM #

    Definitely remember Spikes & Leak. Buster Ray was another one similar to Leak.

    Maybe the fastest guy I ever saw in a State uniform was a WR named Lee Jukes. I can’t remember whether Holtz or Rein brought him in and it may have been as a walk on. This guy would get 10 yards behind the secondary and drop a pass right in his hands. I do remember he caught a TD of over 50 yards against Pitt in the Tangerine Bowl win that may have been Ted Brown’s last game.

  24. bth9673 01/23/2009 at 11:26 AM #

    I could see Brown as a Pierre Thomas-type for the Saints, someone that wasn’t highly regarded coming in (undrafted in Thomas’s case) but is very solid and does all the things you need. He picked up the slack for Bush this year and ended up with decent stats.

  25. Red_Terrors 01/23/2009 at 11:35 AM #

    ^packalum44, I remember the one you are talking about, but the video I have is from the Chuck Amato show. It was Andre Brown. He cut left to head up the sidelines and stiff-armed a guy to the ground. At the end of the run is where he put the lick on the App St safety. It was right in front of their bench. I believe this video on youtube is the same as the one I have, though I can’t be sure since I can’t view youtube at work:

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