Stepping into basketball season by stepping into the past (Updated 5pm)

Today is the day.

Monday, December 22, 2008.

Today is the day that we naturally step into elevated interest in the 2008-2009 basketball season.  You can almost say that today is the day that we really kick off our attention to the season as the Wolfpack will host Top 25 ranked Marquette in the RBC Center.

The Wolfpack has done and an adequate job of holding serve in the early part of the season en route to establishing a 7-1 record against soft competition while squandering a great opportunity to beat Top 25 ranked Davidson a couple of weeks ago.  Tonight’s 7pm game televised on ESPNU marks a legitimate opportunity for State to elevate into ‘NCAA Tournament relevancy’ with an eye on a January 3rd visit to Florida and the start of the ACC season.

Due to the opponent, tonight’s game represents almost as much about the heritage of the NC State program as it does the importance of the current season.  Marquette, then coached by the legendary Al McGuire, was the Wolfpack’s opponent and victim in the 1974 NCAA National Championship game.

The following are some random bytes:

  • Marquette’s roster ranks #315th in the country in average height  but has done an admirable job rebounding.  We will get an obvious opportunity to see if NC State is a better rebounding team this year than we have been the last two seasons.
  • NC State plans on honoring  the 1973-1974 National Championship team tonight.  (Link) 
  • I can’t make tonight’s game for holiday & family reasons that are innately obvious to everyone in the world except the people who are responsible for NC State’s basketball schedule…so, I will be very interested in the reports about this ‘honoring’.  If this is anything like last year’s God awful embarrassment of the 1983 ‘honoring’ then I will actually be glad that I didn’t invest more time into the event in addition to the money for my lifetime rights and season tickets.  I am not going to say more about this as you can click here for a detailed commentary.
  • If NC State were healthy, then I would be calling for a Wolfpack win tonight.  This one just feels like a good night for the Pack.  But, the lingering injuries and those injuries’ impact to playing time of four of our top seven players – Degand, Gonzalez, Fells & Smith – throws too large of a wrench into my plans.  If it weren’t for those injuries, I’d be referencing the Pack’s win over Michigan in 2006 for some similarities of the positive vibes.
  • Marquette is led by strong backcourt play and surprisingly strong rebounding that compensates for weaker offensive play on the post.  This is why the injuries to Degand, Fells and Gonzalez are so vital to the Wolfpack’s chances.  
  • If you need another barometer to monitor tonight then pay attention to the officiating.  If our big men get fair treatment and we get to the line in a quantity that is proportional to our attempts down low then we still have a good chance.  If the officials decide that teams in red don’t deserve the same treatment in the post that teams in blue deserve then our chances reduce significantly.
  • Can I ask the natural question of why NC State continues to annually schedule the ONLY decent home non-conference games on odd weeknights around the holidays when it is difficult for fans to attend and when the students are on break?  Does anybody realize that many lifetime rights holders live somewhere other than Raleigh?  I honestly don’t think that our department could TRY to pick a worse way to leverage our home court for both the team or the fans.
  • As much as I don’t like when/how this game was scheduled, I love the fact that this game was scheduled.  Coach Lowe does a fantastic job of mixing the program’s rich tradition into the current landscape of college basketball.  Playing a Marquette gets us a great blend of the two.  You can see our original entry at the time this game was announced by clicking here. 

The following is a “Gamenight” preview from a fantasy sports site I found…

As the non-conference season enters its last few weeks, a number of teams are still hoping to strengthen their case for an at-large bid, and two such teams will meet in Raleigh when #45 Marquette (9-2) faces #49 North Carolina State (7-1).

Marquette’s two losses have been fairly decisive, as Dayton and Tennessee both beat the Golden Eagles by double digits. Their only strong win came at home over Wisconsin, and it’s easily better than any win North Carolina St. has recorded. The Wolfpack’s only loss came against Davidson, as Stephen Curry led a strong Wildcats charge down the stretch to erase a halftime lead.

[snip]

While Marquette hasn’t been that impressive, NC St.’s schedule has been very weak, and a difficult game like this one is not a great time to be depending on a freshman point guard in his second career start. While the Wolfpack will try to take advantage  of Marquette’s lack of size, I’ll take the Eagles for a narrow road win.

…and this link will take you to a recent article focused on Marquette’s inside deficiencies.

And that’s one of the reasons Tennessee’s Wayne Chism went bananas on the Golden Eagles earlier this week and finished with a career-high 26 points and 11 rebounds in the Vols’ 80-68 victory over Marquette. You see, Chism is 6-9, 242 pounds and a legitimate high-major big man. Marquette has nobody who fits that description. Bruce Pearl noticed it on film and exploited it on the court.

"Wayne had a favorable matchup," Tennessee’s coach said, "and he took advantage of it."

So the question is simple: How many more will take advantage of it?

Lastly, the following are some some interesting items across the internet today related to both this event and the 1974 NC State-Marquette game:

  • Marquette had an unbelievably quick 2-2-1 full court trapping defense that was the bread and butter of the team….Walton and Tatum on the front line…speed and quickness…MU was able to generate pts off of this defense…but not vs NCSTATE….I never knew why until I worked at Rick Majerus’ basketball camps a few yrs later…and I heard him lecture about top PG play and how to beat a trapping press like the 2-2-1 MU utilized so successfully.

    Said Rick, “The key to breaking a trapping press is to do what Monte Towe did to us in the ’74 title game. He did something I had never seen before. He dribbled into our trap and when we sprung it, Towe kept his dribble and dribbled backwards where he had come from…with our front line our of position after committing on the trap…and our back 3 guys already committed to zone guarding the back cutters, Towe would make a crisp pass to the open cutter and they beat our press every time…We were really counting on that press to give the 5-5 Towe some problems. But it did not. Towe was one of the top PGs we had ever faced.”

    Al blew the national championship game…it would have been hard…but MU could have beaten NCState….but this game was forgotten when Al won the final game in ’77…but this game…and the game vs. Ind in ’76 when Al blew the game with a late T….and the Kansas State game on St Patrick’s Day in March, ’77 when MU fell behind by 14 but turned the tide….cut it to 7 and Al sensing that KState was choking grabbed his neck tie to signal the choke to his team and the refs thought he meant that the refs were choking so they T’d him up…and KS made the FTs and went ahead by 10…AL sat down and told Hank…"If we lose this game…I am done in Milwaukee."

    Luckily for Al, MU came back and won by 1….and MU beat Wake Forest…UNCC and then NC for the national title…

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    101 Responses to Stepping into basketball season by stepping into the past (Updated 5pm)

    1. Tau837 12/22/2008 at 8:39 PM #

      This is the first time I’ve seen State play this year. Observations:

      1. I don’t like the fact that Sid tries to find time to play 11 players. Mercifully, after Javi’s first couple minutes he hasn’t been back. But it holds down the minutes for our best players – Fells, Costner, and McCauley.

      2. If we lose this game, I think it was lost during what seemed like an eternity in the second half when we had all of Fells, Costner, and McCauley off the floor, with Mays, Fergie, Horner, Harris, and Smith on the floor. Our offense was hard to watch during that stretch.

      3. I haven’t seen Costner play like this since the 2007 ACC tournament. It’s great to see.

      4. I think Lowe needs to make more of a concerted effort to get McCauley involved. He had 0 points on only 1 shot (I think) in the first half. That’s not good enough IMO.

    2. Tau837 12/22/2008 at 8:42 PM #

      Let me add: if Degand is healthy enough to stay on the floor down the stretch in this game, there really is no reason to play Javi any more, other than if foul trouble develops or more injuries happen. I think it’s clear that Mays and Degand are both better than Javi.

    3. BJD95 12/22/2008 at 8:43 PM #

      Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

    4. MrPlywood 12/22/2008 at 8:43 PM #

      That shot belonged to Costner – Ben needed to pass out.

    5. Tau837 12/22/2008 at 8:44 PM #

      Kind of surprised to see Fergie on the floor for the last defensive possession…

    6. Tau837 12/22/2008 at 8:46 PM #

      Eff

    7. BJD95 12/22/2008 at 8:46 PM #

      You knew that was going in. We are NC State, after all.

    8. cowdog 12/22/2008 at 8:48 PM #

      Damn…are we thru with 3 pt shooting freakin last second shot guards for the year?

    9. catchme16 12/22/2008 at 8:49 PM #

      well all i have to say is goddamn

    10. turfpack 12/22/2008 at 8:50 PM #

      BEN MISSING TWO FREE THROWS?????? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    11. Wulfpack 12/22/2008 at 8:53 PM #

      We lost this game because Marquette’s guards are superior. I think they scored about 45 for the game while ours combined for about 10.

      Ben Mac did not help us down the stretc. Two missed free throws and then a crucial turnover allowing the Golden Eagles possession for the last shot.

      Just another wasted opportunity. We played well but not near well enough to win against a good team. Too many careless turnovers in the backcourt and absolutely no defense from our perimeter guys.

      Fells is just way too passive given his ability. Fergie can’t play defense.

      Positives: Brandon Costner and Smith down low. BC has found his form and he will be a force for any team to defend.

    12. Rochester 12/22/2008 at 8:53 PM #

      We lost this game because we didn’t play our best guys. Degand looks like a Muppet out there trying to defend those guards. He has no business being on the floor. Mays should have been out there until he fouled out. Fergy can’t play D against the good guards either. He should be an offense for defense sub.

      Sid held Costner and McCauley back too long. Horner should never play unless someone is in foul trouble. We should use Smith to rest BC and Ben and never play Horner unless it’s against Lipscomb.

      If we would play our best lineups more we could win 6-8 ACC games. We hung tough against a team whose strength was our weakness. We should have won this game.

    13. turfpack 12/22/2008 at 8:54 PM #

      Again when you don’t have a true strong point guard same shit happens every time.

    14. highstick 12/22/2008 at 8:55 PM #

      Don’t blame Fells, this one’s on Ben, free throws and getting hog tied and losing the ball. Shi??? happens! Dang It! Didn’t get to see much of it, but the two announcers were bufoons at best!

      Costner looked a lot better than last year! But still not enough team effort. I’ll even give Fells credit for his last 3 bagger!

    15. Rochester 12/22/2008 at 8:56 PM #

      Oh, and whoever was on this board saying Costner shouldn’t shoot 3’s a few days ago … um, what are you talking about? He was money today. He is all the way back. We need to ride him all season.

    16. Wulfpack 12/22/2008 at 9:00 PM #

      In other league news of note, Wake outscored “Eastern” Carolina 54-17 in the 2nd half for a 95-54 victory over the Pirates.

    17. Rick 12/22/2008 at 9:00 PM #

      There is so much wrong with this basketball program.
      No guards. TFerg got torched like Greg Golden and could not even make wide open threes. Gonzalez should not ever see the court again. Turn overs are rampant
      No senior leadership – Fells always seems to make a stupid play at a key time. That foul he got in the open court when we had a 7 point lead was a game changer. McCauley misses free throws and turns the ball over at then end.
      Coaching – Where do I start. Why did Costner only shoot 4 times in the second half? Why have Degand and Ferg playing DEFENSE at the end of the game when they were burned EVERY TIME THEY TOUCHED THE BALL? Why have Costner (your best shooter) throwing the ball inbounds at the end? Why does Horner even see the court? Why did Mays not go back in? These are not some brilliant insights, they are common friggin’ sense.

      I hate to say it but I do not see Sid turning this program around.

    18. Gene 12/22/2008 at 9:02 PM #

      “Fergie can’t play defense. ”

      Unfortunately we don’t have better personnel, yet. Thomas’ injury last year really hurts now, because he could be getting some of those minutes, but doesn’t have the experience (maybe not fully back?) to be a complete player. Same with CJ Williams.

      Hopefully as some of our younger players mature, we’ll be getting some of these close games to go our way, as the season goes on.

    19. WolfInVolCountry 12/22/2008 at 9:02 PM #

      I guess I also question the “blue” team thing. Yeah, give the big guys a blow, but they sat the bench way too long.

      I am hopeful with the way that Mays played, but as we have all said, our guard situation really sucks.

      I am not looking forward to Florida.

    20. Gene 12/22/2008 at 9:05 PM #

      On the bright side, we’ve scheduled two teams, who like to trap and use pressure in Marquette and Florida. Hopefully the team learns and grows up from this game and whatever happens in Florida.

    21. packalum44 12/22/2008 at 9:11 PM #

      My 2 cents:
      I only saw the 2nd half but here goes. We are not good. We will be out-manned at almost every position on the court against most ACC teams. McCauley has always been over-rated and sucked when it counted tonight. Fells too. We turned the ball over in crucial situations. We don’t have any atheletes and I am not sure why we recruited two unathletic individuals in Mays and Williams although they might be solid players as Juniors and Seniors.

      Our biggest need is fairly simple…we need athletes. Our best athlete is Fells and he can’t handle the ball. We have no “go to” guys. That is why Ben hesitated when he had the ball late and turned it over. Not to mention he is slow and un-athletic. He is only effective one on one. When double teamed he turns it over. He had no faith or instincts telling him to pass it out in that situation. No one can create off the dribble. Our team is sad and quite pathetic. I always have to repent after I watch us play because I make sailors sound tame. I need therapy but he would likely be a UNC grad.

      Why did J. Thomas not play?

    22. Rochester 12/22/2008 at 9:14 PM #

      There was a completely different feel with each of our three PGs tonight. Mays looked solid, getting the ball up, though they weren’t really pressuring him hard. He looked for his shot a few times, maybe catching Marquette off guard.

      Javy looked like a turd trying to bring the ball up against an ocean of turd-eating sharks. He was pathetic.

      Degand looked weak offensively. Every time he got the ball out high it was like he needed someone to come out and rescue him. He was no threat on offense, and on defense he got used like a roll of quilted Charmin on taco night. Just a skid mark left on the floor.

    23. turfpack 12/22/2008 at 9:14 PM #

      Mays should have been on James with help from Fells and make someone other than James beat you.
      Ben sould have givinup the ball-Fells just hit a 3 or HEH! BC you think!
      PACKLUM44
      We have no “go to” guys–Did you see the game? Brandon was unfricking believeble just didn’t get him the ball when we need it.

    24. WolfInVolCountry 12/22/2008 at 9:23 PM #

      Rochester… after reading your remarks, I laughed so hard that I feel better. Not better about our chances this year… just better. Turd eating sharks… now that is funny (as in funny = ha ha). Our team is funny (as in funny = tragic).

    25. NCST890 12/22/2008 at 9:23 PM #

      Rick, Sid is not going to turn this program around. Thanks Fowler, you’re a freakin’ genius!

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