Has realignment worked?

Long article and a good read.

When the ACC begins negotiations next year on a new TV contract, the league will be in year six of its move to a 12-team, two-division superconference.

In many ways, the strength of that next deal will serve as a referendum on the ACC’s expansion, which added Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College to the conference’s nine-team base five years ago.

“The next TV deal will be the proof in the pudding,” said Dan Radakovich, athletic director at ACC member Georgia Tech.

But Radakovich added: “For my school, I don’t see how we’re tangibly different than we were before expansion.”

For Virginia Tech, expansion was like hitting the lottery:

While the ACC’s nine holdovers have enjoyed modest revenue increases from the conference, the big winners have been the newcomers. Virginia Tech has seen its conference revenue go from $6 million in fiscal 2004, its final year in the Big East, to nearly $12 million in fiscal 2007.

In addition to finding a more ideal fit with the ACC than the Big East, Virginia Tech has reaped financial rewards that have helped its football revenue sprout from $21 million to more than $40 million during that same time span. Ticket and luxury suite revenue provided the impetus for the football increases. Travel expenses decreased because “we basically went from an airplane league in the Big East to a bus league in the ACC,” Weaver said.

Former Duke AD Joe Aleva:

“From a Duke perspective, it didn’t enhance much at all,” said Alleva, who left Duke for LSU earlier this year. “From a scheduling department, I don’t think it was a good thing. We went from playing a rival like N.C. State twice a year in basketball as part of a round-robin format to playing them once a year for many years because they’re in a different division.

“The reason for expansion was football, to improve the league’s situation, to expand our footprint and enhance our TV market. From that standpoint, expansion has been very good. You want as many eyeballs watching as you can get.”

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28 Responses to Has realignment worked?

  1. Noah 12/12/2008 at 10:16 AM #

    Expansion was clearly a good idea for the short-term. I remain unconvinced that 20 years from now, we’ll feel the same way.

  2. Daily Update 12/12/2008 at 10:18 AM #

    I guess the point being made here is that expansion has been great for BC, Miami and VT. For the rest of the ACC, it all depends on the next TV contract.

    UVa and the ACC gave VT athletics a huge boost which IMO hurts us since they are directly in our recruiting footprint.

  3. Alpha Wolf 12/12/2008 at 10:21 AM #

    The ACC expanded primarily to enhance its TV money but also to get that all-hallowed Championship Game and the big payday that it has brought conferences like the Big XII and the SEC.

    I think we all know how that has worked out. A typical high school game in west Texas draws more interest and more fans than the ACC Title game.

    The cost? The best basketball schedule in the country. Home and home, everyone got two shots at the competition. Now, its hard to gauge how good teams in the league really are (or are not) because they might only get the top tier teams once.

    I hope the BCS blows up and super-conferences right after that.

  4. Noah 12/12/2008 at 10:24 AM #

    The ACC expanded and realigned so they could two Miami-FSU games.

  5. VaWolf82 12/12/2008 at 10:40 AM #

    Just after expansion, the ACC struck a seven-year deal for football at $258 million, or about $37 million per season. At the time, it represented a 60 percent increase in rights fee over its previous deal and expansion was considered a major reason why.

    The article failed to mention that without expansion the ACC was looking at a smaller TV contract…not a 60% increase (or at least that was claimed).

    Before expansion, the ACC was the only BCS conference that made more money from BB than FB. Now with the current TV contract, FB produces “slightly more” money than BB. Expansion was always about stabilizing/improving profits from FB. So far, those goals have been met. Even if the next TV contract is only a “cost-of-living” raise, expansion will have served to increase over-all profit compared to no expansion.

  6. wufpup76 12/12/2008 at 10:47 AM #

    “From a Duke perspective, it didn’t enhance much at all,” said Alleva, who left Duke for LSU earlier this year. “From a scheduling department, I don’t think it was a good thing. We went from playing a rival like N.C. State twice a year in basketball as part of a round-robin format to playing them once a year for many years because they’re in a different division.

    “The reason for expansion was football, to improve the league’s situation, to expand our footprint and enhance our TV market. From that standpoint, expansion has been very good. You want as many eyeballs watching as you can get.”

    ^I think most fans certainly feel this is/was the worst part of expansion: the destruction of the round robin basketball schedule … Very unfortunate

    “With the ACC’s inability to produce a legitimate national title contender in football, a downturn in the economy, a suffering advertising market and potentially a lack of challengers to bid against current rights holder ABC/ESPN, prospects might not be as strong as they once were.”

    ^That doesn’t bode well … I’m not sure the ACC will ever have a truly “legit” national title contender in football given the current academic requirements throughout the league … Either other conferences will have to raise their restrictions or the ACC will have to lower theirs … I’m not saying I want the league to lower their academic requirements, just making an observation …

    Clearly VT, Miami, and FSU are not what they once were in football and may never be again … Call it parity, call it other teams catching up – whatever – but we have a football league that can be good – I’m not sure about great

    I certainly hope we didn’t sell our soul (ACC basketball) for pennies in return … I understand the impetus behind expansion – to get more money for the league and not be left in the dust by the SEC and the Big 12 – but has it really worked out? The only real success so far has been more money for the league (and the next deal sounds like they might not get as much as they hoped) … Football has been more or less a wash and an overall improvement or decline in basketball is debateable

    One thing’s for certain, the ACC will NOT get as much money as they hoped if they keep putting out an overall mediocre football product – and if that’s the case then expansion may wind up costing you more in the long run … Both in the overall strength of basketball (being top heavy as opposed to great throughout) and the reality of football (good, but not great – no legitimate contenders) … This costs you money 🙁

  7. burnbarn 12/12/2008 at 10:48 AM #

    I agree that expansion has been of great benefit to the newcomers relative to schools that were already in. At the same time, for the future it may be better b/c our TV contract will be better than it would ave been without them.

    I really do not like the divisions and miss the home and home for basketball. I guess this is the price we pay for ‘progress’.

  8. Daily Update 12/12/2008 at 10:55 AM #

    Hopefully with the round robin going away Lee Fowler is actually serious about playing Duke as OOC games in both football and basketball.

    It makes perfect sense.

  9. waxhaw 12/12/2008 at 11:02 AM #

    One thing that is generally missed when talking about expansion is the possibility that revenue would have gone down had we not expanded.

    The ACC and the Big East have flirted with losing their automatic BCS tie in due to average team ranking not being high enough. I don’t remember if the rule has changed but I know that was a factor in exploring expansion.

    Also, the ACC championship game would have made more money if we didn’t have to sell out a few years to satisfy the Florida teams. Once it’s established in Charlotte, I would imagine that our revenue increase dramatically.

    Personally, I think the football teams are getting better and the rivalries are developing. My guess is expansion will turn out to be a great move for the ACC.

  10. Wolf-n-Atl 12/12/2008 at 11:22 AM #

    I think there are lots of changes that happened when we expanded that go unnoticed. I think the fact we were a 12 team conference with a championship game helped land recruits and not just at the top schools.

    Another way to view it is that we have had almost a worst case scenario with FSU and Miami having bad years and we still made money. We also have had dismal ACC championship games. If the conference can produce two teams in the BCS our revenue will see a nice bump. I also thinking moving the ACCCG to Atlanta/Charlotte will also help pull in more revenue.

  11. EverettBeez 12/12/2008 at 11:33 AM #

    Expansion was a good idea before it happened. Its generated more money from football, but its cost everyone in other areas. I still don’t know what division State is in, and can’t say I care that much. Our Lame-O championship game only makes us look silly. I still hate it. I don’t blame Swafford et. al. so much as I do the NCAA and their byzantine rules and ideas. Its past time to wipe the whole collegiate slate clean and start fresh.

    All change is not good.
    Progress is not always positive.

  12. EverettBeez 12/12/2008 at 11:35 AM #

    anyone know the attendance at the ACC game? I was watching our basketball game and the App-Richmond game (I am still stung from that.)
    How were the ratings?
    I can’t imagine that our tv contract can go up. The conference should count itself lucky if we can resign for the same money.
    The SEC sure as heck signed their new deal at the right time.

  13. TOBtime 12/12/2008 at 12:18 PM #

    FL and AL had more cheerleaders and band members in attendance at the SEC Championship game than attended the ACC Championship game. The game attendance was an embarrassment. Hope you enjoyed it Swofford.

  14. WolftownVA81 12/12/2008 at 12:40 PM #

    Expansion may have added more money but as an average fan, I see no value to it. On the other hand, loosing the round robin in BB directly imapcts me in a negative way. I want to know that we have another shot at a conference foe if we blow a game. I also don’t care to watch all the crapola cupcake games. Bring back the round robin with the additional conference (good) games and I’ll be happy. I would imagine the TV coverage/revenue would also be enhanced for an expanded conference schedule (more times for ESPN to show Duke and UNC).

  15. tmb81 12/12/2008 at 12:51 PM #

    It’s time to move to an 18 game conference basketball schedule. The basketball schedule has slipped a week to the second weekend of March, so almost all conference games can played after Jan 1. It’s ridiculous to wait until the second weekend in January before we play a conference game. 18 games allows us to play 7 ACC teams home and home and should iron out some of the schedule inequities.

    And why not 9 ACC football games? Only seeing VT, Miami, GT, Duke and Miami at home once every five years just doesn’t seem right. Let’s give up the 4th OOC game. The permanent 12 game schedule has only been in place a few years. Often times that 12th game is a Middle Tenn or a Gardner Webb.

  16. waxhaw 12/12/2008 at 12:58 PM #

    Expansion wasn’t done for the pure excitement of a championship game. It wasn’t done to preserve basketball rivalries. It wasn’t done for any reason that the average fan would really appreciate right now.

    It was done for money.

    I don’t see any way that the ACC football deal is renewed for less revenue. I would rate that as a 0% probability.

  17. choppack1 12/12/2008 at 1:28 PM #

    “Expansion may have added more money but as an average fan, I see no value to it. On the other hand, loosing the round robin in BB directly imapcts me in a negative way. I want to know that we have another shot at a conference foe if we blow a game. I also don’t care to watch all the crapola cupcake games. Bring back the round robin with the additional conference (good) games and I’ll be happy.”

    Are you an ACC basketball only fan? Would have minded if ACC football would have been thrown on the trash-heap of other non-BCS schools? Would you have minded if FSU or/even Clemson had thought about bolting the league to find someone more “football-centric”?

    To be sure, the visions of multiple BCS bowls and packed championship games weren’t realized, but at least it’s kept the ACC somewhat relevant when it comes to college football in spite of our horrid record in these games since expansion – our (expanded)conference champion has yet to win its BCS bowl game.

    Like you’ve said, we did lose the round robin in basketball and the ability to play everyone in football…BFD – so we don’t go into Cameron and get sodomized by the officials every year. I lost my romanticized notion of ACC basketball before expansion. Unfortunately, yes, you’re right though – now it’s even more “off-brand”. Maybe I’d care more if I thought we’d be worth a damn in the old format.

    I do think these things show us just how slow Swofford is to react. The championship game has been a dud, the original vision of expansion was destroyed, the one team (VaTech) that’s brought a lot to the table wasn’t even wanted by the powerplayers. We stubbornly stick to a 16 game ACC schedule in spite of other conferences that don’t. Wait a second, I have the perfect replacement for ol’ Swoffie….

  18. b 12/12/2008 at 2:25 PM #

    VT already impacted the recruiting footprint, and they have not disappointed me. They are clearly the best football program in the conference at current and have improved in basketball. So has Miami though they have had some tough times in football. BC has added a market regardless of how small their fanbase is, and they have performed fairly well.

    I do regret the loss of the round robin, but as a football first fan I loved the thought of expansion. While disappointing from a Nat’l contender perspective, the past season has reflected what the change means. A lot of interesting football games and the rise of some new rivlaries.

    The SEC had some of the same issues when Arkansas and SC joined, some of the oldest rivalries in the south were broken up (Bama/UGa, Tenn/Aub). But a decade and half out it was clearly the right move. Same for the Big 8/SWC merger. In time this will be the case for the ACC.

  19. EverettBeez 12/12/2008 at 2:44 PM #

    one of the advantages of the SEC is that geographically, and more importantly mentally, its covers one region.
    The ACC is no longer that way. Miami was a stretch. I had problems with Miami not only because I don’t think of it as southern or even south atlantic, but more importantly because of is long record of an out control Athletic dept.
    Boston? Boston? in whose mind was Boston a natural fit?
    TV markets important? Why not go after Houston? or Rice? 4th largest market in the country, and a shorter flight for the Fla schools!
    The Pac-10 may play exciting ball, but there is a real like of any interest in the out of state rivalries. Few fans travel from Pullman WA to Tucson AZ, fewer do the reverse trip. I never met a student in 4 years a the U of A that thought anything about the Washington or Oregon schools. The Southern Cal schools got a lot of attention because so many students came from that area. There is a long tradition out there, but that doesn’t help because folks don’t think of themselves as being part of the same region.

    A title game essential to stay relevant to the BCS? How about our participation was essential to the BCS? Neither the PAC-10 nor the Big 10(11) play a title game. They didn’t expand either. The BCS needs the ACC as much if not more then we need them. Just imagine the law suits. 🙂

  20. wufpup76 12/12/2008 at 3:25 PM #

    “I don’t see any way that the ACC football deal is renewed for less revenue. I would rate that as a 0% probability.”

    True, but less than what was hoped for or perhaps even projected … That would add up substantially in the future … If the league wants more money we will have to field better teams, and this usually means you need better players, which means we may eventually have to lower academic requirements to level the playing field … a classic catch-22

    I wasn’t against expansion (not necessarily for it, either) – but rather saw it as inevitable … I agree certainly with adding (at least) 2 more games to the basketball schedule and starting conference play a little earlier

  21. Wolf Dog 12/12/2008 at 3:49 PM #

    I still don’t think the ACC had any choice but to expand. It was going to be us or the Big East and we were smart enough to do it first.

  22. EverettBeez 12/12/2008 at 6:10 PM #

    “I don’t see any way that the ACC football deal is renewed for less revenue. I would rate that as a 0% probability.”

    Remember, it doesn’t have to be less to be a cut. We’ve been told for more then a decade, if your budget increase from the government is less then what you expected, say you only go up 5% instead of 10%, that is a 5% cut to your budget.

    The ACC might not get less (I think they might) but they will definitely not get the increase they were hoping for.

  23. choppack1 12/12/2008 at 8:22 PM #

    EB – I don’t think the sole point for expansion was to have a championship game, but rather, to stay relevant somehow in football. The ACC just didn’t have the tie ins that the Pac 10 and Big 10 did.

    The BCS didn’t really need the ACC – we would have gladly taken their table scraps.

    As for the geographical footprint – they stayed true in one form – everyone is on the East Coast. BC’s just a quick flight away for most of the ACC – and Boston is closer to Maryland than Miami is Tallahassee…

    I think the championship game format has really hurt the ACC in the TV contract negotiations. We haven’t had great crowds, great teams or great games. It also hurts neither VaTech, FSU or the U has had a shot at the national championship since expansion…the most relevant anyone was was BC last year.

  24. 61Packer 12/12/2008 at 9:16 PM #

    I didn’t mind the expansion nearly as much as the stupid divisions that resulted. Why did State have to end up in a much more difficult football division with Clemson AND Florida State? Virginia Tech is nearby but we won’t benefit from it because they’re in the other division, and we won’t see them in Carter Stadium but about once every ten years. Diotto for Duke, our closest road trip of 20 miles, which is replaced by an 800-mile journey to Boston on a regular basis. It’s clear that VT is the big winner in the ACC expansion because they traded their plane for a bus. I think NC State is probably the clear loser in ACC expansion when you consider that in addition to the football changes, long-term rivalries with UVA and Maryland basketball have been severed.

    As for basketball, the divisions make even less sense. It’s insane not to play our Big Four rivals twice each season when you consider geographical distances. Adding at least 2 conference games each season would help, but I hear that the coaches don’t want that.

    State’s horrible non-conference home schedule further worsens the current basketball malaise. LTR season-ticket holders like myself expect better-callibre non-ACC competition at the RBC than we had at Reynolds, but really it gets worse each year. I can’t even give my tickets away anymore for non-league games I that can’t attend or just don’t want to attend. Instead of 19 home games in this season package like we had last year, now there are only 16. These other games went to Reynolds, and we have to pay extra for them now. I don’t believe they’re exactly beating the doors down over there to get in, however, when you consider who we’re bringing in.

    When the ECU basketball game becomes basically the highlight game of your early season contests, and the ONLY home game you look forward to anymore is UNC, and we’re doing this in what Coach Bob Knight once called one of the two finest facilities in the nation, you’ve got to wonder just where we’re headed in basketball.

  25. ryebread 12/12/2008 at 9:57 PM #

    Expansion was all about money — period. As long as we make more money as we did per team before expansion, then it was a success. That (and the potential for teams to leave for other conferences as was threatened) is the only thing that the league really cared about.

    Now from a fan’s perspective, I actually wasn’t against expansion — to 11 teams. In my humble opinion, the year we’d added VT and Miami was absolute nirvana. BC was, is and will continue to be a horrible fit. I understand the politics and that VT wasn’t in the original plan and that Miami wasn’t coming without BC. At the same time, I don’t have to like it.

    An eleven team league allows for double round robin in basketball (which was wrecked by the 12 team league). It also allows for everyone to play one another each year in football. Staying at 11 would have prevented the ridiculous division mess that we have.

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