ACC Football Future: NC State (Updated 11:30am)

As ESPN.com reviews the Wolfpack’s 2008 Football season in this entry, Dave Glenn says that after an impressive stretch run, Wilson & Pack aim to contend in 2009

With UNC flirting with an ACC championship run this year before fading in November, and with the Tar Heels talking up big plans for another stadium expansion, the Wolfpack at times has had a harder time selling its program.

That all changed, though, with a November to remember for Pack fans. In-state rivals Duke, Wake Forest and UNC went down in order to State, the latter in an especially sweet 41-10 rout at Kenan Stadium. Then State capped the regular season with an impressive 38-28 home win over Miami.

The improvements O’Brien’s team showed from the beginning of the season to the end on offense were almost mind-boggling. State was shut out against South Carolina, then needed backup QB Harrison Beck to save the day against William & Mary when an injured Wilson missed the contest and starter Daniel Evans was ineffective. At times, people wondered if State could get a first down, much less score.

By the end of the year, State fans almost were expecting a touchdown every time the offense took the field. A mobile quarterback with a strong arm, good decision-making ability and rare leadership skills can do that for a team.

Now Wilson likely will have a new task next year, as the face of a team trying to sell itself as the real program on the rise. It so happens that the pieces could be in place to back up that claim, which is why N.C. State fans are smiling this holiday season.

ESPN’s ‘review’ really doesn’t offer anything that you don’t already know. At least it is nice to see that they recognize the impact of injuries; although it shouldn’t have been too hard for the “World Wide Leader” to do a little work and provide a specific number of games lost to injury as opposed to an ambiguous description of ‘mutliple games’.

Really? Multiple games? Is that 5 games or 65 games? Do you think such a distinction would be impactful? Oh Heather.

In 2007, 13 starters missed time, including six who missed multiple games. This season, 13 starters again missed multiple games because of injuries, including quarterback Russell Wilson and linebacker Nate Irving, arguably the team’s top two playmakers.

In NC State’s four-game winning streak to end the season, most of the starters were back in the lineup. NC State began the season 2-4 before finishing 4-2. With everyone healthy, NC State showed significant improvement on both sides of the ball, gaining over 100 more yards per game while at the same time allowing an average of 86 fewer yards over the past six games. O’Brien became the first coach in ACC history to lose the first four league games of the season and win the last four. No other team in the ACC won as many conference games in the second half of the season.

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49 Responses to ACC Football Future: NC State (Updated 11:30am)

  1. bradleyb123 12/17/2008 at 1:00 PM #

    “what does all this mean for Mike Glennon? will he transfer rather than be behind Russell Wilson for three years? is he good enough that he could beat out Wilson for the starting job?”

    I think we have one more year from RW before he gets drafted into major league baseball. I hope for more than that (imagine four years!), but I don’t expect that.

    As for Glennon, whoever our starter ends up being probably has more to do with our OL than anything. Glennon may have TWICE the arm as Russell, but if our OL can’t protect him, what good is that? The OL made great progress as the season went by, so I expect them to be pretty solid next year.

    It will be interested to see what happens at QB next year, for sure!

  2. RickJ 12/17/2008 at 1:01 PM #

    “The remaining ‘keys’ to a BIG 2009 are:
    * special teams
    * a couple of our redshirted linebackers to emerge
    * a little more help on the Dline”

    Great points – I believe the most unsung member of our coaching staff this year is Jerry Petercuskie. TOB is about as old school a football coach as you will find but you don’t find many full time assistants with the title – Recruiting Coordinator/Special Teams. This site did a great job of pointing out just how depleted our roster was this year. Depth is usually the first thing people think about when you don’t have enough players but this can kill your special teams play as well. In particular, the safety and linebacker positions are critical to having good coverage and return teams and we were lacking in both positions. I find it remarkable that we managed to have better than average special teams play throughout the year and expect it to get even better in the future.

  3. VaWolf82 12/17/2008 at 1:02 PM #

    I think that a player has to graduate from junior college before he is eligible (and not always even then)….but I’m no expert on confusion known as NCAA rules.

  4. Alpha Wolf 12/17/2008 at 1:07 PM #

    Speaking of special teams, isn’t an area of need at PK? One thing that would be great is to have a kicker capable of knocking down the 50 yarder with some regularity.

  5. wufpup76 12/17/2008 at 1:11 PM #

    ^Is Czajkowski done?

    He actually had a fairly good season … Though, 40-45 yds. may be his max limit

    I know we lose Pierson … Hopefully Graham will be ready to rock on returns again next season

  6. Daily Update 12/17/2008 at 1:12 PM #

    A player who goes to JUCO and never meets NCAA minimums, must receive an associates degree and spend at least three semesters at JUCO. So Palmer would have spent this fall and the upcoming Spring. He would then need next fall to fulfill the three semesters required by the ACC.

    Last year’s kicker is only a redshirt sophmore and was one of the best in the ACC. 15-18 on FGs and 31-32 on EPs. He kicked a 42 yarder against Miami, so he has decent range.

    He missed 1 FG against Clemson from 20-29 yards, 1 from 30-39 yards and 1 from 40-49 yards.

  7. packalum44 12/17/2008 at 1:12 PM #

    I think we have a solid recruiting class. Most articles written about them refer to them as sleepers. I’m not naive, sometimes sleeper can be a euphemism for “not that good”. I don’t remember ever seeing the term used this pervasively and with TOB’s track record, I think hindsight will reveal that several should have been 4-star.

    For instance, TJ Graham was a sleeper (injuries and started playing f-ball in high school). I think the character of the class is really high and we will see solid contributions from them for years to come. Can you imagine all these three-star “sleepers” as 5th year seniors???

    College football, more than other sports, is a team sport. A slow linebacker can tackle an All American if he covers his gap and plays within the defense. Our talent level didn’t change throughout the year, rather the players got better at their assignments. Yes Irving and Cash and Wilson helped but you get my drift…

  8. Alpha Wolf 12/17/2008 at 1:20 PM #

    Sorry, I meant punter. My bad — I was thinking Pierson and typed PK.

  9. Noah 12/17/2008 at 2:03 PM #

    The punter that we’re bringing in frooooom…Georgia, I think(?) is supposed to be pretty good. Chris Ward…

  10. Scooter 12/17/2008 at 2:08 PM #

    Prior to Sam Swank, I think the last PK the ACC saw that could bang out 45+ yarders nearly every time was Sebastian Janikowski. Maybe its opinion, but I feel like nothing is automatic beyond 40 yards in the college game.

    Our special teams gave a lot of teams shorter fields to work with than they should have at times. When teams are starting every drive at their 35-40 yardlines…

  11. PhilipRiversWannabe 12/17/2008 at 2:21 PM #

    Noah, of the incoming freshmen, who do you think will have an immediate impact?

    As for Russell Wilson, I think that he will go pro in baseball after his (redshirt) junior year. He will have earned his degree. Judging by the type of person he seems to be, I believe that he understands the value of a college degree and I can’t see him leaving State without one. That would give Glennon 2 years as our starter.

  12. SEAT.5.F.2 12/17/2008 at 2:37 PM #

    Look, no freshman are expected to be difference makers, and if that are induviduals that burn a RS early on it is because unfortunate things happened prior.

    TJ doesn’t start playing from the get go this year unless Eugene/Bowens/Johnson all get hurt before the season starts. We had no options other then put Maddux/Lucas on the depth chart and the only other imediate impact frosh was a FB not on scholarshi.

    Do you mean RS frosh?

    (I am only answering for Noah because it is known that he is a recovering recruit-aholic)

  13. PhilipRiversWannabe 12/17/2008 at 2:50 PM #

    No, Noah mentioned that he thought a few of next year’s true freshmen might be able to have an impact. I have heard that Denzelle Good, the the 6’6″ 330 lb. OL might have a chance to play early due to his size. I was just curious to hear his opinion as I am a recruit-aholic myself.

  14. packalum44 12/17/2008 at 3:10 PM #

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  15. Alpha Wolf 12/17/2008 at 3:32 PM #

    ^ Sorry you can’t make it, Alum.

    Other football news: Mario Williams is going to the Pro Bowl, but guess who isn’t? The RB who runs on water, Reggie Bush.

  16. Noah 12/17/2008 at 3:51 PM #

    Noah, of the incoming freshmen, who do you think will have an immediate impact?

    Actually, I think I said “newcomer.” Or at least, that’s what I meant. 🙂

    Sam Mageo will obviously see a lot of time right off the bat. I think the punter will get a long, long look. Other than that, I think they’ll all be very good candidates for redshirting. Obviously, someone will play above their head and get some time somewhere, but I would be throwing darts at a board if I guessed who that would be.

    Mageo and Ward are the only ones that stand out for me.

  17. vtpackfan 12/17/2008 at 4:25 PM #

    Unless our 2nd string P was just doing some “experimenting” with technique then the pregame activities this season indicate that Ward will be doing the punting.

    We’re also not completely done trying to recruit players and ofcourse there are always Verbals that don’t turn into LOI’s at every program. Just remember that it was after the Shrine Bowl that we got guys like Lucas and Mattes so there is some history there of being able to close on some bigs ones.

    This class will end up being the best to date because of the amount of RS, IMO.

    With a big RS class you get 1) a group that can watch the others go through fire and learn what to expect 2) Learn the basic concept from the strength and conditioning coach in order to master that before having to deal with playing time. 3)Get a really good start on academics so you won’t be at risk going forward. Also, if you are good enough to go pro after with eligibility left you might have enough credits to graduate.

  18. Daily Update 12/17/2008 at 4:37 PM #

    Alphawolf: Just providing the info. Was our punter a senior? Can’t remember…but we were 4th in the ACC this year in net punting. Our punter was about average in terms of distance, but we did a great job in coverage.

    Our kickoffs and kickoff coverage were two major weaknesses. We need to improve those areas significantly next year. We were 11th in the ACC in net kickoff coverage.

  19. choppack1 12/17/2008 at 4:40 PM #

    “The improvements O’Brien’s team showed from the beginning of the season to the end on offense were almost mind-boggling. State was shut out against South Carolina”

    While that’s all good and well to say that – you have to wonder if Glenn watched our first game until Wilson got hurt. We were looking good against USC until Wilson got hurt – everywhere.

    I think RW was still a little cautious vs. Clemson and we got Bowden’s last good game. Against ECU the next week, the light came on for Wilson as to what he could do against Division 1A competition. After that, with Wilson in the game – we moved the ball against everyone.

    I don’t even really consider to the USF game as it seemed to me that by sitting out Wilson, and missing AMC and Irving in the line-up we were basically hoping to run up against an unmotivated/unprepared opponent and luck into a win. That didn’t happen and that game simply couldn’t end soon enough.

    I thought that the BC game may have been different if we had AMC. He’s prescence is key and in those last few years when it’s close, he’s also been able to get a good push on those key passing downs.

  20. Primewolf 12/17/2008 at 10:44 PM #

    I think most of you are wrong about RW. He loves both sports. I think he ends up playing all 4 years, at worst, he plays thru his redshirt junior year.

    Glennon will not leave the program either. He will get some playing time next year.

    Injuries happen.

    Our D will be somewhat of a liability until we get some real DL and DE athletes. We will have to outscore good teams to beat them.

  21. SouthernWolf 12/18/2008 at 9:32 AM #

    “Unless our 2nd string P was just doing some “experimenting” with technique then the pregame activities this season indicate that Ward will be doing the punting.”

    I agree with that. Peirson did not have much leg but at least his punts half spiraled and had hang time. That was why our punt coverage was so good, our guys only had to race the ball 35 yards as opposed to tthe normal 50 yards. I never saw our backup punter kick two punts in warmup that went 50 yards put together.

  22. choppack1 12/18/2008 at 10:27 AM #

    Prime – I’m not sure I agree about the DL remark. They key is depth here – but between Young, AMC, Burgess, Kuhn, McKeen, and the R-whatever, we return some good players in that area. If we can get some help along the tackle spot, we’ll be in excellent shape.

  23. primacyone 12/19/2008 at 3:14 PM #

    Update:

    Tobias Palmer is expected to enroll this summer – maybe second session.

    This may be old news, but it seemed new to me: Sam Jones was admitted and will enroll in January.

  24. primacyone 12/19/2008 at 4:00 PM #

    At least 1 if not 2 of the DL recruits were recruited to play OL. One of them specifically for OT, but I can’t remember which one right now.

    Willie Young is expected to really take a hard look at the draft. He was red-shirt junior this year, so he has been here four years and it is believed he really wants to go to the NFL. If he’s projected in the top four rounds, he’s probably gone.

    Sweezy/Kuhn may be moved to DT to fill that whole, with a new guy filling the departed spot on the depth chart.

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